Saw this mockup on a google search...
...to quote SE Vader "Nooooooooooo!"
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Yeah, we've seen that already. ;)
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Episode-VII-to-be-directed-by-JJ-Abrams/post/629818/#TopicPost629818
Carrie was on the Daytime Emmys recently, and she looks good! The rest of the gang are in good shape for their age as well. If Christopher Lee could do a SW film in his early 80's, I don't see any problems.
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SilverWook said:
Yeah, we've seen that already. ;)
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Episode-VII-to-be-directed-by-JJ-Abrams/post/629818/#TopicPost629818
Carrie was on the Daytime Emmys recently, and she looks good! The rest of the gang are in good shape for their age as well. If Christopher Lee could do a SW film in his early 80's, I don't see any problems.
It's the surgery that kills the idea for me with CF. If you've had surgery you shouldn't be on the big screen, unless you're playing somebody who has had surgery. Like Mickey Rourke who has taken roles as physically deformed characters anyway, like Marv or the Wrestler lol
^ Venessa Redgrave still looks beautiful at 76 (It appears with no surgery)
^ Hlen Mirren 67, ditto
Carrie is only 56 and looks older than both of them. And it's not because of drugs and alcohol. I'm sure Mirren has done a whole Cuban harvest load of drugs in her past.
^ Priscilla Presley at 68 could make children cry.
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Do we really need to rehash this again? I'm reserving judgement until we see them in costume on the set.
The sheer number of celebs that have had some sort of surgery would boggle your mind. Some have needed it to resume a normal life and career, like Mark Hamill did.
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I really don't see what the big deal about their age is as long as they play their respective ages in the movies. Now if they were setting Episode VII five years after ROTJ and they were trying to pull of Han, Luke, and Leia in their 30's, then I would understand everyone's anger. But it sounds like Episode VII will take place 30-40 years after ROTJ, and Han, Luke, and Leia will all be in their 60/70's, so it won't look ridiculous at all on screen.
I'm pretty confident each of them will look the part once filming begins. This isn't even an issue for me.
CO said:
I really don't see what the big deal about their age is as long as they play their respective ages in the movies. Now if they were setting Episode VII five years after ROTJ and they were trying to pull of Han, Luke, and Leia in their 30's, then I would understand everyone's anger. But it sounds like Episode VII will take place 30-40 years after ROTJ, and Han, Luke, and Leia will all be in their 60/70's, so it won't look ridiculous at all on screen.
Exactly.
In the novels, 45 years have now passed since the events of ANH. When Ep7 starts filming next year, 38 years will have passed since the start of principal photography on Star Wars. Hamill and Ford were both playing characters six years younger than their respective ages. So, the ages of Han and Luke are probably synced up to their actors now.
Nineteen-year-old Carrie was playing a nineteen-year-old Leia in '76. She now looks older than she is? Doesn't matter, Leia's gonna be older than she is anyway!
I kinda hope they're not the main characters anyway. Part of me wants to think Abrams - whether or not Kennedy even had this in mind when hiring him - is gonna introduce us to a whole new cast of characters just as he did in Star Trek. Yes, I know what you're thinking, "but, those characters in Star Trek already existed." Yeah, but the way JJ pulled it off made it feel like we were meeting them again for the first time.
Sure, it's a little more of a challenge to introduce characters no one's ever met before, but I would absolutely love it if halfway through the movie our protagonist is saved by a mysterious, cloaked figure who is then revealed to be Luke Skywalker. Yeah, I'm just theorizing, and all of this ultimately depends on Arndt's script, but it's fun to speculate....
Fang Zei said:
I kinda hope they're not the main characters anyway. Part of me wants to think Abrams - whether or not Kennedy even had this in mind when hiring him - is gonna introduce us to a whole new cast of characters just as he did in Star Trek. Yes, I know what you're thinking, "but, those characters in Star Trek already existed." Yeah, but the way JJ pulled it off made it feel like we were meeting them again for the first time.
Sure, it's a little more of a challenge to introduce characters no one's ever met before, but I would absolutely love it if halfway through the movie our protagonist is saved by a mysterious, cloaked figure who is then revealed to be Luke Skywalker. Yeah, I'm just theorizing, and all of this ultimately depends on Arndt's script, but it's fun to speculate....
This is a whole new trilogy. Why would you ever think they were making them the main characters again? Even George way back when was going to have 7-8-9 be about Luke's sister and presumably other new main characters.
There's no way that they're the main characters still. =P
They probably would be there for fanservice reasons. They're not going to remake Crystal Skull three times over.
I hope they're not there purely for "Fan Service" 'cause JJ is none to subtle with that in the Star Trek films. e.g.
- Random nonsensical Tribbles
- Shoehorning in a load of rehashed catrchphrases from STII
- Nimoy shoehorned in
etc
They need to be a natural and essential part of the plot.
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If they're only there for fanservice I won't even bother to watch it. I don't mind them possibly not being the main characters but fanservice implies quick cameos or awkward shoving of characters into the plot. I'm completely tired of that. The very least they all need to be important to the plot.generalfrevious said:
They probably would be there for fanservice reasons.
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I could see Han and Leia playing similar roles to Sarek and Amanda in Star Trek '09. They'll be more than mere cameos, but probably still relegated to the background.
Oooo, maybe Abrams will unexpectedly kill off Leia!
They need to be mentors. Luke needs to take on the Ben Kenobi role for whoever the protagonist is. I'm not sure how I want Han and Leia to fit in. Maybe as people that the protagonist meets along their journey, similar to Nimoy in '09 Star Trek. Just people to provide exposition and context to the main character and move them along their journey. Also, I hate to say it, but I think Luke needs to die in either episode VII or episode VIII. You can't expect the protagonist to grow if their mentor hangs over their shoulder to give them advice throughout their entire journey. Obi-Wan, Gandalf, Morpheus: It's a popular and extremely effective plot device to have the mentor sacrifice themselves for the hero.
Episode 7 for me would work great if the beginning of the film is about Luke. He's being hunted down by somebody (probably female antagonist), and so he's on the run. Quickly, he picks up a streetwise kid who steals to survive (Aladdin-esque). He catches the kid stealing, and takes the time to tell him what he's doing is wrong and that he can come with him.
They make camp for a night, and Luke has yet to reveal that he's a Jedi. Luke wakes up from sleeping to catch the kid using the force to move the logs on the fire. Luke proceeds to tell him about the force, etc.
Menwhile, Luke is staying in contact with Han and Leia. Han and Chewie are searching for Luke's attackers, while Leia is on Coruscant overseeing the New Republic in some capacity.
As the film progresses, the focus shifts to Luke's tagalong... they meet up with Han and Chewie, eventually finding out that Leia is the real target. Han teaches the new kid how to fly the Falcon, which looks almost the exact same but has been renovated to look almost new.
They rush to save Leia, everyone gets trapped. The new kid watches helplessly as Luke is about to be killed by a female Sith. Luke falls to the ground, drops his lightsaber, it turns off. At the last second, the new kid pulls it to him with the force, jumps in and blocks the attack that would have killed Luke (This is the first time he ever uses a lightsaber). Seeing this, Luke finds enough strength to pick her up with the force and toss her against the wall, knocking her out.
After the battle, Han stands next to the Falcon and says "That's it, I'm retiring. Hey kid, you fly pretty well. I understand you don't have much etc, take her she's yours."
Luke and apprentice fly off, Han, Leia, and Chewie wave from balcony on Coruscant - the camera zooms out - roll credits
By Ep 8, training is in full swing. They pick up a companion for the apprrentice early on. About halfway through the film, Luke dies. At this point, besides small appearances, the OT cast would be done.
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Killing off a mentor/father figure has been done one too many times. That, and I'm still pissed Abrams killed a well liked character in STID. (It wasn't even a good death like Kirk's dad in the first film.) If Luke buys the moisture farm, he comes back a ghost anyway.
The massive fan freakout to Chewie's death in a novel 14 years ago is a good indication of what may happen if somebody bites it in the sequel. They probably don't want to go through that again, so the Wook is safe for now.
Droid death can be cheated, since they can probably put the memory in a new body. Artoo or Threepio getting vaporized or melted beyond recognition is the only permanent rub out for them, but you're back to the Chewie backlash scenario.
Leia dying depends on where she's at 30 years on. Presumably she's in a prominent leader role, and possibly become a Jedi.
Han is the logical one to kill, if he goes out doing what he does best, and it's a noble sacrifice. (No falling off a damn bridge!) Harrison has wanted it since Jedi, and might have even asked for it as a condition for returning.
It's a Kobayashi Maru no matter who you kill. And they sure as heck won't kill Lando. ;)
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That's hilarious!
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^ True I can't see JJ having the time to handle another ST picture. STID made enough money that they'll probably just farm it out to another Director who'll make a hash of it. Hell get Nicholas Meyer back, he always makes good ST... in fact without him there would be no such thing as ST anymore.
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It's a foregone conclusion Paramount will put one out in 2016 for the big Five-Oh. With Ep7 likely hitting in May of 2015, Abrams could conceivably come back to direct Trek 3 in time for a November/December 2016 release.
Oh, and Chewie's dead. Mayhew got his chance to come back in ROTS.
Like I've said again and again regarding all the post-Jedi continuity: it's one thing to ignore, but it's another thing to pretend it never happened.
Fang Zei said:
Mayhew got his chance to come back in ROTS.
Which gave us one of the worst moments in all of cinema, Yoda declaring his feelings for Chewie.
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Fang Zei said:
Mayhew got his chance to come back in ROTS.Which gave us one of the worst moments in all of cinema, Yoda declaring his feelings for Chewie.
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Fang Zei said:
It's a foregone conclusion Paramount will put one out in 2016 for the big Five-Oh. With Ep7 likely hitting in May of 2015, Abrams could conceivably come back to direct Trek 3 in time for a November/December 2016 release.
Oh, and Chewie's dead. Mayhew got his chance to come back in ROTS.
Like I've said again and again regarding all the post-Jedi continuity: it's one thing to ignore, but it's another thing to pretend it never happened.
The EU doesn't matter where the films are concerned. George has always had the last word on that. Why should the films have to be burdened with baggage the casual fan knows next to nothing about? Having to explain to the audience why Chewie's not around would be awkward and sound forced, like when a beloved character vanishes from a tv show never to return.
Thirty years of relative peace and prosperity in the galaxy, with dark clouds forming on the horizon is the best way to begin again. Otherwise, the opening crawl is going to be half an hour long. ;)
If Mayhew can teach a protege' to take over the role if needed, I could live with that.
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Fang Zei said:
Mayhew got his chance to come back in ROTS.Which gave us one of the worst moments in all of cinema, Yoda declaring his feelings for Chewie.
Yet, you turned those lines into comedy gold, so it all balances out. ;)
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I haven't used that yet. I'm referring to "Good bye, miss you I will."
SilverWook said:
Having to explain to the audience why Chewie's not around would be awkward and sound forced
I don't know the details of Cheewie's death (I don't even know in which novel they made it) and I don't really care about it. But I have to disagree with what you said. Something like that really doesn't need detailed explaining. All it needs is a scene where Han or someone else mentions it.
For example in ROTS, the kidnapping of the Palpatine was a major plot point that was never directly explained in the film and yet it worked okay. The kidnapping was shown in the less known Clone Wars cartoons.
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