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Talking storm troopers are more dangerous

As promised I did a mock-up of some storm trooper dialogue put in to stop the storm troopers in Empire Strikes Back from being mute.

Ideally some new lines of dialogue would be better but to show you what I mean and to keep some continuity I thought it was a good idea so I did it. I am not suggesting anything should be done of this nature for revisited but I would really like to see them talk again, and if they did in revisited well it would be great this video is a window to what could be perhaps.

weather or not you like it or hate it as a mock up, is not the point it's that at least for me they don't say a word and and I like some of it myself and am unsure also on some of what I did but it's more a demonstration than 100% solid suggestion.

Enjoy and discuss if you like, the link is below

https://vimeo.com/68900972

password = blast them

I can see no harm in making and linking to mock ups for Ady's inspection here (I imagine Ady welcomes them).

He has been known to change his mind after seeing or hearing a variation in a mock up in the past and if it's a relatively easy change he may still do it even this late in the day.

I personally don't see any value in adding dialogue from the troopers (especially recycled dialogue which is always noticeable and comes across as a cheap move).

But surely if this thread serves any function, proposing ideas is where it's at daddyo.

mes83 said:

As you have just stated, this is not anything that would or should be considdered for Revisited, so maybe you should start your own thread, instead of continuing to force the issue where it has no relevance.

I honestly mean no harm or intend to be forceful...

Also by my language and by the things I said i.e. would be better to record new dialogue

I said it was a demonstration if anything it shows a flaw even if the mock-up I did was flawed and cheap because I just did around an 80 hour week over 6 days work and could not be bothered to do more...It only highlights that storm troopers are mute in Empire.

Don't be angry I am not , and I did say that perhaps it's not for revisited but to simply show some rough ideas is not a nasty thing to do?

My main point was I'd like to hear them talk again... What they exactly say is of little relevance only that it is in context and they are not mute.

If it's not for revisited no problem but I really have no plans to to edit empire I am just looking forward to revisited and if an idea helps then great if not never mind I don't have a problem and i am already over it.

Thanks

and I did'nt have one of these to hand but If I did I would have done a better job

BTW TV's Frink made me laugh

@TV's Frink

we are lucky that ol' George isn't at the helm of things anymore ... you would have given him ideas for "special editions" to come ;-)

or even worse: "The Holiday Special Part Deux" !!!

anywho, some minor tweeking, as the "Special Editions" should have been, is always welcome, at least for me, it just shouldn't feel forced ...

I agree I would want new dialogue if done....

@Ryan

But holy crap i know exactly what your talking about.... This is indeed awful...

OMG it happened here first....

This is kind of a minor personal concern, but, before I had TESB on VHS (NTSC), I had "The Story of the Empire Strikes Back: The Adventures of Luke Skywalker" on audio cassette. So, after I got the VHS tape, I was a little disappointed that this line of dialogue wasn't there. So I hope it will be intact on TESB Revisited...

On Hoth, after Luke is out of the Bacta tank and Threepio says it's good to see him fully functional again, Luke says: "Thanks, Threepio." On the VHS version, which I'm assuming was the theatrical version, Luke's line was taken out, but the line is in the Special Edition.

So why does this concern me? I guess it's a line that shows that Luke had actual friendship and respect for Threepio, as he's usually getting verbally abused or shot at by just about everyone else throughout the rest of the film. (LOL)

Ronster said:

Talking storm troopers are more dangerous

As promised I did a mock-up of some storm trooper dialogue put in to stop the storm troopers in Empire Strikes Back from being mute.

Ideally some new lines of dialogue would be better but to show you what I mean and to keep some continuity I thought it was a good idea so I did it. I am not suggesting anything should be done of this nature for revisited but I would really like to see them talk again, and if they did in revisited well it would be great this video is a window to what could be perhaps.

weather or not you like it or hate it as a mock up, is not the point it's that at least for me they don't say a word and and I like some of it myself and am unsure also on some of what I did but it's more a demonstration than 100% solid suggestion.

Enjoy and discuss if you like, the link is below

https://vimeo.com/68900972

password = blast them

I think it doesn't work at all, but at times it is really hilarious.

STORM TROOPER while being held at gun point: Do you know what's going on?

:D

That one was for kicks....

Can i third thc c3po suggestion too

I am thinking about this R2D2 scene and you can't have him not go out the door because of the music so that to me means the 2 shots of R2 you posted should be made to look like he is outside if possible....

Fake door opening compsited on shot1? flipped shot of R2?

Bring R2 outside and further towards camera down platform on shot 2?

Mockups are one of the best things that happen in here and will always be welcome. Having said that, here are my thoughts on the stormie voices in ESB:

I think ESB stands out from the other 2 OT films for a number of reasons, one of which is the increased dramatic tension our heroes are placed under during the events portrayed in the film. ESB is a character film above all else....and way more so than IV or VI. As such I think the focus pulls inward...from gazing out at this strange new universe and all its marvels (as in the cantina in IV), to a more intimate, "close-up" view of our main characters. We really get to know them on a deep personal level and have less time for the "look it's a space alien" or "hey, a new spaceship...let's see what it does" kind of moments. I think the storm troopers (who Han and the gang spend the entirety of IV running away from) are given a more secondary/background role in ESB....in favour of giving Vader more screen time, and making HIM the threat. I think the story of ESB held up so well that stormie voices were probably never needed as it would detract attention from what's going on in the foreground.

I DID like a couple of the additions (though it would be nice to hear them with original dialogue instead of recycled) (and yes, I know you only used what you had on hand).....the "yes sir" from the snow trooper being one of them.........I don't, however, have any need or desire to hear them say something everytime we see them on screen.......in fact many of the moments where you chose to put in a voice was actually taking away from the dramatic tension that was being built up in the scene (Han about to be tortured is a good example of this). BUT I'd say that your overall premise IS correct....they DO feel a bit more menacing when we know that they're thinking and voicing thoughts instead of just running around mute.

Great idea and executution Ronster! I really like it.

Your mockup brought me an other issue to my attention. I want to see actualy bursts of snow each time a walker takes a step in the battle of hoth to emphasize their size. The mud looking snow only making them look soft and tiny.
what do you think?

I don't think dialogue makes the stormtroopers more menacing. On the contrary - if they have the need to spell out even the most basic orders (blast them, stop that ship), then they really don't seem to be a really competent force.

It would be nice, however, to see some elite stormtrooper action in the movies, though. The way they are now they look like a bunch of fat cops chasing after a shoplifter.

Thanks again folks no probs mes83

The only line that i have set in my mind is that when the storm trooper pushes Leia he would say "move" that would be natural i thibk.

I keep thinking about this scene with R2 and i realized if you flip R2 spraying smoke you also have to flip the storm trooper firing before they exit the door. otherwise this also has continuity error

Ronster said:

@monroville the radio chatter which does occur is another cock up...

I pointed it out earlier....

Luke to wedge " i lost my rear gunner you'll have to take the shot"

Radio chatter luke to wedge in wedge cockpit " i'll cover you"

Luke "set your harpoon and follow me on the next pass"

How will luke cover wedge if wedge is following and he has lost rear gunner?

If luke said i'll follow you it would make sense...

Also bear in mind this is the cockpit shot where it looks as if the snowspeeder will hit a rebel running away from smoke...

Basically i called for a cut or alternate exterior shot on this but to remove i'll cover you line as then the dialogue also makes sense... Luke says i'll cover you again moments later so another good reason for the chop i felt

The rear 'gunner' is the one that fires the tow cable harpoon gun. Luke is saying he's going to cover Wedge (with his speeder's forward facing lasers that he can fire), while Wedge concentrates on tripping the ATAT. It makes perfect sense.

Wexter said:

I don't think dialogue makes the stormtroopers more menacing. On the contrary - if they have the need to spell out even the most basic orders (blast them, stop that ship), then they really don't seem to be a really competent force.

It's a command structure....it's not because they're stupid...but because orders (especially in high stress situations) are always barked out....even when the orders are blatantly obvious.

Personally I think having them completely silent makes them less credible as a source of danger to the protagonists. Like I said in my last post...I wouldn't want spoken lines everytime we see a stormie on screen......but I think only 2-3 instances in the entire film where a stromtrooper says something would make them more credible. One to three word sentences only....like "yes sir" or "move"....that sort of thing.

This is an oldie from my AOTC edit (on which progress is ponderously slow) but I used a "Yes Sir" from the game Jedi Knight 2 which might be suitable for insertion without sounding too familiar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq6vwhZ7Oe4