All Things Star Trek — Page 13

DuracellEnergizer said:

Until recently I thought Who Watches the Watchers? was the worst TNG episode ever made. When I watched The Chase today, however, I realized that wasn't so.

I don't see what's wrong with either of them.

In fact, I can't think of a single bad TNG episode...

I guess I'm just not critical enough. I watch TV shows for the characters and the relationships between them. The rest, to me, is just "necessary" to provide context and drama; to move things along.

I consider an episode "bad" if it makes me want to turn off the television and do something else. I rarely experience that with TV shows I enjoy and never once experienced it with TNG.

I keep coming back to Burn Notice because I like Michael, Sam, and Fiona. I'm much less interested in the spy shit.

So.... I've neglected this thread.... Sorry.

timdiggerm said:

twister111 said:

Tobar said:

twister111 said:

Interestingly enough I've seen all of Voyager, Deep Space Nine, and The Next Generation. Yet TOS I've yet to complete watching. I guess I feel like once I've done that. That's it. No more Star Trek series for me to watch with completely fresh eyes sort of speak.

What about Enterprise?

I simply don't like Enterprise enough to want to watch the entire thing. I'm pretty confident that I've likely seen the best of Enterprise already anyway.

What have you seen?

SilverWook said:

You have to at least check out the Andorian episodes. Jeffrey Combs as Shran was as memorable as his DS9 character.

The Mirror Universe two parter is also a must see.

Johnny Ringo said:

twister111 said:

I may go through a list on memory alpha for the Jeffrey Combs episodes to make sure I've seen all of those but other then that I don't feel a strong desire to see all of Enterprise.

Spoiler alert - He's in the finale.

DuracellEnergizer said:

So that's means you're the first person in the world to think Shades of Gray was a decent episode?

 

I really enjoyed Shades of Gray.

I usually like those "looking back" filler-episodes.

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

AntcuFaalb said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Until recently I thought Who Watches the Watchers? was the worst TNG episode ever made. When I watched The Chase today, however, I realized that wasn't so.

I don't see what's wrong with either of them.

In regards to Who Watches the Watchers?, as someone who considers himself a protheistic agnostic, I have no love for the preachy, one-dimensional, one-sided, self-righteous way theism and theistic belief is treated in this episode. And anyway - metaphysics aside - I don't like it when writers twist characters to serve as mouthpieces for their own personal ideologies, characterization be damned.

As for The Chase ... to make a long story short, the pseudoscience just kills it for me. I could have used the real-world mechanism of convergent evolution as a ham-fisted explanation for why so many aliens in the ST Universe are basically humans with rubber foreheads; there was no need to throw some bullshit elder race/directed panspermia/pre-programmed evolution crap into the equation.

In fact, I can't think of a single bad TNG episode...

So that's means you're the first person in the world to think Shades of Gray was a decent episode?

 

I've never seen The Chase, but in the original series episode The Paradise Syndrome, a race of "Preservers" are theorized as having seeded the galaxy with humanoids. So this episode may have been referring to the original series.

AntcuFaalb said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

So that's means you're the first person in the world to think Shades of Gray was a decent episode?

 

I really enjoyed Shades of Gray.

I usually like those "looking back" filler-episodes.

It's the only "clip show" ever done in the entire history of Trek. (The Menagerie notwithstanding.) And it was mostly done at the insistence of the studio to save a few bucks after some more expensive episodes that season.

How Riker can have memories of things he didn't actually see firsthand is a mystery!

TV's Frink said:

twister111 said:

So.... I've neglected this thread.... Sorry.

You're back bitches?  I don't even know what those are.

It all boils down to budget. DS9 more than made up for the lack of exotic aliens though. And CGI allowed Voyager to do the truly scary Species 8472.

In retrospect, I'm kind of glad we never saw the Andorians outside the holodeck and a background extra on Risa.

Looks more like the Great Gazoo!

A quick google reveals the episode in which Species 8472 first appears, Scorpion, aired a year before the B5 Thirdspace movie did.

In any case, it's the first major non humanoid species seen on televised live action Trek...

*A wild Horta appears!*

"No Forget I!", it melts into a nearby stone

Okay, I forgot the Horta. Sorry. But a recurring non humanoid species was simply beyond the budget of a tv show for a long time. Even an impressive totally alien design like the Tholian could only be shown briefly on the viewscreen. We didn't see one full figure until Enterprise.

doubleofive said:

*A wild Horta appears!*

"No Forget I!", it melts into a nearby stone

Haha, that's awesome.

Watching pilot of Enterprise (have seen a couple of random episodes of the series previously). It's so bad. Not unwatchably bad...but it's pretty dull due to the deliberate pace, weak dialogue, bland camera work, poor digital effects...it's too obvious in everything it does. Now I'm going to go finish watching it...