Bingowings said:
The opening meeting between him and Vader could be tinkered so that he needs more men to fight the things attacking the base protecting the station.
This is good.
What if Vader visits Jerjerrod at the endor base during the opening of ROTJ? It would set the Imperial Base up to be something far far bigger with that massive hangar.
You could get an intense pan-up reveal of the Death Star at the end of the scene too.
I imagined it still being on the station but about the moon but now you mention it why not leave the Death Star hanger action for the arrival of Palpatine at the biggest?
The earlier scene could just as easily be set on Endor.
All interesting ideas, but the straightforwardness of Bingo's post three posts before is another straightforward idea that doesn't seem too hard to pull off at all.
ray_afraid said:
Here's the opening of Jedi that I'd love to see. It's quite close to what Possesed is working on for his edit, but still different. I'm no good at posting pics to show exactly what I'm talking about, but I hope you can follow.
Opening text would have to be altered to mention that Luke has returned to Dagobah to continue his training.
After opening text, we pan down to Darth Vaders Super Stardestroyer near the uncompleted Death Star
Cut to Darth Vader in his mediation chamber talking to Luke telepathically through the force urging him to join him on the darkside.
cut to the deleted scene of Luke in the cave working on his new light saber. Edit the exterior of the cave to resemble Dagobah. Luke shakes the voice in his head and continues working and then igniting his saber.
Cut back to the Super Stardestroyer and we see Vader's shuttle leave for the Death Star (why was he leaving from a standard Stardestroyer originally?) continue to the original opening scene with Vader and Jerrod.
After that, cut to Yoda's hut on Dagobah for Yoda's death scene. After Luke says "So I am a Jedi." Cut Yoda's line about having to face Vader again and just cut to him saying "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." This way we get the idea that Luke has continued and now finished his training with Yoda. Yoda dies, the conversation with Obi-Wan is had and then cut to the Emperors arrival on the Death Star. That scene plays out like normal and then cut to the droids on Tattooine and continue from there.
This would give the beginning of the film a more menacing tone with Vader still haunting Luke and more of a build up to the action at Jabba's palace. Agree? Disagree?
This sounds brilliant would love to see this!!
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Ryan McAvoy said:
ray_afraid said:
Here's the opening of Jedi that I'd love to see. It's quite close to what Possesed is working on for his edit, but still different. I'm no good at posting pics to show exactly what I'm talking about, but I hope you can follow.
Opening text would have to be altered to mention that Luke has returned to Dagobah to continue his training.
After opening text, we pan down to Darth Vaders Super Stardestroyer near the uncompleted Death Star
Cut to Darth Vader in his mediation chamber talking to Luke telepathically through the force urging him to join him on the darkside.
cut to the deleted scene of Luke in the cave working on his new light saber. Edit the exterior of the cave to resemble Dagobah. Luke shakes the voice in his head and continues working and then igniting his saber.
Cut back to the Super Stardestroyer and we see Vader's shuttle leave for the Death Star (why was he leaving from a standard Stardestroyer originally?) continue to the original opening scene with Vader and Jerrod.
After that, cut to Yoda's hut on Dagobah for Yoda's death scene. After Luke says "So I am a Jedi." Cut Yoda's line about having to face Vader again and just cut to him saying "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." This way we get the idea that Luke has continued and now finished his training with Yoda. Yoda dies, the conversation with Obi-Wan is had and then cut to the Emperors arrival on the Death Star. That scene plays out like normal and then cut to the droids on Tattooine and continue from there.
This would give the beginning of the film a more menacing tone with Vader still haunting Luke and more of a build up to the action at Jabba's palace. Agree? Disagree?
This sounds brilliant would love to see this!!
I too think that would be brilliant to see but if what will need to be addressed is how Luke acts around Leia on Tattooine after having now known that she is his sister. I'm sure Ady has a few aces in his sleeve! :)
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Glad you guys like my idea! As far as Luke actions toward Leia on Tatooine goes, I just don't see a problem. He doesn't act un-brotherly towards her at all.
Yeah I think it flows pretty well enough. I'd like to see the Executor shown at the start of the film too. :)
And should the movie continue that route it'll be interesting how they can make the briefing scene happen as it will be likely that Luke will be there the entire time now.
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FVDnz said:
Yeah I think it flows pretty well enough. I'd like to see the Executor shown at the start of the film too. :)
And should the movie continue that route it'll be interesting how they can make the briefing scene happen as it will be likely that Luke will be there the entire time now.
Yeah, this cuts out "I'm with you too!" which is a cringe inducing line. I'd also move the Luke/Leia "what's wrong" exchange to before the start of the briefing.
Bingowings said:
I'd imagine something like the Wampa attack might have happened even if Mark hadn't improved his face with a car crash.
Wampas are basically Yeti (just as Wookiees are Sasquatch) and the attack riffs the Tuscan scene in the first film (both end with an arm on the ground) just as the Imperials being picked off attacking the reactor to knock out the Rebel spherical weapon mirrors the rebels being picked off attacking the reactor of the imperial spherical weapon in the first film.
The escape pod carrying droids mirrors the landing capsule carrying the probot.
In the lost cut of Star Wars (1977) Luke is looking up at the sky with binoculars and this gets recycled in ESB.
Just something Bingo brought up on another thread about the ANH-ESB relationship.
I find some of these repetitions between the movies quite interesting, as they can be used to address how a character has developed by having them deal with a situation differently.
There are some obvious repetitions between ROTJ and ANH with the Death Star (which really don't achieve this at all), but I was wondering if any events or interactions could be built to repeat constructively?
The only one I could think of first, was to re-edit the SAIL BARGE ASSAULT to mimick the FALCON ESCAPE from bespin. The heroes could just fight and escape on the skiff, and not necessarily destroy jabba and his sail barge (it always felt too much like an overpowering victory romp to me, when that sensation should be saved for the end of the movie). The musical ques could be also be altered so they match the scene from ESB.
"It's like poetry.. they rhyme..." ...Uh-oh :/
The opening of ROTJ about half a dozen posts above is pretty much how it is done in a workprint fanedit that one of the forumites recently posted. I really enjoyed how they did it as well as some other trims throughout their edit.
Is there someone with a copy of the ROTJ novelization who could PM me? I'm looking for a bit of info...
EDIT: Info acquired. Thanks Ender!
ben_danger said:
Bingowings said:
I'd imagine something like the Wampa attack might have happened even if Mark hadn't improved his face with a car crash.
Wampas are basically Yeti (just as Wookiees are Sasquatch) and the attack riffs the Tuscan scene in the first film (both end with an arm on the ground) just as the Imperials being picked off attacking the reactor to knock out the Rebel spherical weapon mirrors the rebels being picked off attacking the reactor of the imperial spherical weapon in the first film.
The escape pod carrying droids mirrors the landing capsule carrying the probot.
In the lost cut of Star Wars (1977) Luke is looking up at the sky with binoculars and this gets recycled in ESB.
Just something Bingo brought up on another thread about the ANH-ESB relationship.
I find some of these repetitions between the movies quite interesting, as they can be used to address how a character has developed by having them deal with a situation differently.
There are some obvious repetitions between ROTJ and ANH with the Death Star (which really don't achieve this at all), but I was wondering if any events or interactions could be built to repeat constructively?
The only one I could think of first, was to re-edit the SAIL BARGE ASSAULT to mimick the FALCON ESCAPE from bespin. The heroes could just fight and escape on the skiff, and not necessarily destroy jabba and his sail barge (it always felt too much like an overpowering victory romp to me, when that sensation should be saved for the end of the movie). The musical ques could be also be altered so they match the scene from ESB.
Yeah I wouldn't mind that. However, seeing that Leia has still killed Jabba so she could make her escape .... actually I could still go along with that and then perhaps while the party are leaving Tattooine, we have a bunch of Jabba's goons trying to prevent their departure - but again that would be Docking Bay 94 all over again....
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Expanded Hoth
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There a video clip above... This is not visual enhancement but an effort to try to expand hoth Battle in a few places theres a change list below.
1. Alternate shot (removed Bad POV and Luke saying I'll cover you to wedge) =increases pace and definiate improvement
2. Ion Canon shoots Again = is ok
3. Stormtroopers enter the base earlier = is ok
4. "Crude" but Vader Lands on Lambda needs Roto shuttle troops disembark AT-AT's The AT-AT foot ideally would be combined with Vader leaving the shuttle = Needs work not so good
What I could not do is having Vader Kill a Rebel via lightsabre when he enters the base... Credit to ALanfae Vader having lightsabre brandished when entering the base I think is the way to go and would like to see a kill just to make Vader extremely scary... Although not graphic Music cues may make this impossible the only place would be straight after bursting through the wall scene I feel.
This is not so much about wether it works although I have done it in rough it's more about what I would like to see or how it could be possibly expanded.
Another thought I had regarding If Verrs got Kamikazed as originally intended would it be better to have a new AT-AT destruction for the one Luke destroys and use the existing one for Veers demise as the snowspeeder is meant to fly directly into the head... Just an Idea
Anyway hope you enjoy the take
In my opinion ESB is the film that works the best as it is. Kersh was great at what he did...and ESB is his crowning achievement. Now, as I said, this is MY opinion...but I think that it is probably a shared one.....and as such I think any additions being made to ESB need to fit into the editing the way it is. There are things I don't think need to be added...but if they ARE added, I don't see the benefit of reordering the shots and scenes in any way. For example, I've always wanted to see more imperial troops on the ground (to give the rebs something to be firing away at)....but if someone was to do it I would much rather see it fit into the shots already in the film, with a minimum of added new shots. Just my two cents...
Yeah I understand that entirely. I feel the same way too in some sense but there is also a part of me that want's to see more and to some how make that work...You even said it yourself... A Guilty pleasure
As for The windows of opportunity I think I used them all bar after Vader enters echo base.
I am not putting the film down it's brilliant... But there is that part of me that want's to see more... expanded... Make it work seamlessly...without ruining it
As I said it's more about what I want to see without worrying too much if it kills a sacred cow (original) but somehow if it could be done without ruining what is there it would be my ultimate Hoth but like you say it can ruin it... It would be great to find that holy grail of how to seamlessly integrate into it... Unlike space battles which is a lot easier...
It's John Willams score more than Kersh and how that flows... Williams Music is the barrier to overcome not Kershes editing... If you can score seamlessly from the original you could put footage to it. Simple as that.
Well that's just it.....I think it more or less IS already perfect. There's a reason I've come to like Ady's approach to these films.....it doesn't add more just for the sake of it, there's reasons for things to be added....and when possible he adds them into existing shots instead of creating new ones. For example....the rebel troops are all firing away...but at what? Their guns aren't slowing down the walkers one bit and they KNOW this. Imperial ground troops being in the shots would give the Rebels a reason to be in those trenches, firing away. BUT, I'd want it added into the existing shots.....small troopers amongst the feet of the walkers.....the fact that they'd be there doesn't need to become the center piece of the scene in question......just a little extra info to fix an error in logic/continuity. The order of the shots and sequences in the film works just fine the way it is.
This thread isn't exclusively a revisited thread.
There isn't anything stopping other editors taking a different path from Ady and the team.
I never started a Radical Re-edit thread for ESB for much the same reasons Muddy mentions.
I still remember when we all thought that ESB:R was going to be the easiest to do and the quickest to finish (because the original version was so well made).
In a way it's that greatness that has caused so many of the delays because it's not something that one would want to break by adding inappropriate flourishes. Anything seriously done with the material needs to be a true special edition and not a showreel scribbled over the original achievement.
You hit it Bingo....
It's a trade off I was expressing what I would like to see... It's very very difficult to overcome the flow of willams score the only times I added anything was in a moment of opportunity in the score It had nothing to do with the footage per say
Although I have added in at the windows of opportunity I have failed miserably at scoring seamlessly from where it stopped and picking back up again.
The only way to do any expansion would be to score a bridge and then time the footage you want to add to the inserted bridge score. This is what I have just learnt from the exercise.
And It's not about ruining the film either... I prefer to believe in finding a way to make things happen and it does not have to be radical...Just having an open mind and I am not planning to edit ESB but I just like to play about and learning along the way.
Bingowings said:
This thread isn't exclusively a revisited thread.
Who said that it was?
Not you but it does happen a fair bit on this thread so in relation to Ronster's ideas I thought it pertinent to remind the punters.
lol....thought I had missed something.
This has been mentioned a few times before, but I'd love to see a ton of imperial mining crews and construction ships on endor, possibly strip mining the planet for materials. A fly over from the shuttle over natural devastation would be really cool.
It would be quite like avatar potentially, but would make perfect sense and add a bit more interest to the moon. I love this big dirt road that appears to be created in this painting. Can you imagine something like this added to the film with the AT-ATs hulking down these roads, totally oblivious to the rebels and ewoks hidden in the trees?
Ryan McAvoy said:
ray_afraid said:
Here's the opening of Jedi that I'd love to see. It's quite close to what Possesed is working on for his edit, but still different. I'm no good at posting pics to show exactly what I'm talking about, but I hope you can follow.
Opening text would have to be altered to mention that Luke has returned to Dagobah to continue his training.
After opening text, we pan down to Darth Vaders Super Stardestroyer near the uncompleted Death Star
Cut to Darth Vader in his mediation chamber talking to Luke telepathically through the force urging him to join him on the darkside.
cut to the deleted scene of Luke in the cave working on his new light saber. Edit the exterior of the cave to resemble Dagobah. Luke shakes the voice in his head and continues working and then igniting his saber.
Cut back to the Super Stardestroyer and we see Vader's shuttle leave for the Death Star (why was he leaving from a standard Stardestroyer originally?) continue to the original opening scene with Vader and Jerrod.
After that, cut to Yoda's hut on Dagobah for Yoda's death scene. After Luke says "So I am a Jedi." Cut Yoda's line about having to face Vader again and just cut to him saying "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." This way we get the idea that Luke has continued and now finished his training with Yoda. Yoda dies, the conversation with Obi-Wan is had and then cut to the Emperors arrival on the Death Star. That scene plays out like normal and then cut to the droids on Tattooine and continue from there.
This would give the beginning of the film a more menacing tone with Vader still haunting Luke and more of a build up to the action at Jabba's palace. Agree? Disagree?
This sounds brilliant would love to see this!!
Agreed. Best idea for Return I have heard of yet. Besides removing the ewoks.
Removing the Ewoks is kind of missing the point.
The idea is pure Star Wars (something that looks primitive and harmless proving to a power capable of bring down a mighty high-tech Empire) it's the current execution of that idea that doesn't work (comedy voices, slapstick, slightly worrying racial allusions the magically appearing traps).
If the Ewoks could be turned into a genuine culture of alien people that had already fought the Empire that would be the way to go.