The Star Wars: The Lost Workprint (* unfinished project - lots of info *) — Page 3

fishmanlee said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

fishmanlee said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

I'm up to about 50 mins now. Begining to cut in the alternate cantina scene.

Anybody have a link to 7ish minutes of music that would fit in there?

Something like this? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGpY3pe3kMk

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2S1I_ien6A

Bit too overused in a gazillion movies.

I fail to see the relevance.

You've got a point. I mean that music has strong images and feelings associated with it that don't gel with the sort-of-naff cheesy muzac feel the cantina should have.

The music is almost too good.

Leonardo said:

Ryan, I don't know if you've read this topic, I think it could be very useful

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-The-Temp-Track/topic/12014/

In regards to the cantina scene, I had done a rough "temp track" clip a while ago, it's on page 2. You might wanna take a look at it, mostly for the music.

That Benny Goodman track has potential.

The first song is called "Diga Diga Doo" and it really sounds like it was the direct inspiration for "Cantina Band #1"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O8zchAuQ_o

The second one is "Madhouse", I used it because I thought this one had the most appropriate tempo and phrasing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsVtF6qEr8w

Think I might do two versions of this fanedit. One with trad audio and one with temp tracks.

I've completed my work on the audio of the cantina scene. Click the image below to watch:

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but your audio mix just doesn't work.

For two reasons, one is because you just took the sound/effects track from the completed movie and it just clashes with the picture, you can hear where the "ambiance" of the music changes because there was supposed to be a cut to a reaction shot or some footage of the aliens or whatever, and it's just distracting.
Two is because in some spots it's just too loud and you can't hear the set audio.
My suggestions: if you're gonna use the music from the movie, just use the cd soundtrack, ditch the sound effects (it's supposed to be a workprint, I'd say even the music is out of place!) and if you can, run all the set audio through a limiter/compressor.
It will help keep the voices at the same level (obviously try to avoid distortion).
I used this method when I edited a two hour show shot in a theatre, the actors didn't all know how to carry their voices, and some of them almost whispered, so the guy at the audio mixer just went crazy going up and down with the levels, and I had the insane job of making everything all match. Even after Eq and noise reduction, a compressor at the end of the line is what saves your ass.

You could take Cantina band, and make it sound like it is being played on set?

Leonardo said:

1. you just took the sound/effects track from the completed movie.

2. in some spots it's just too loud and you can't hear the set audio.

3. just use the cd soundtrack, ditch the sound effect.

4. if you can, run all the set audio through a limiter/compressor.

Thx for interesting, if disheartening feedback ;-) Here is my response to a few of your points.

1. The new sound mix is not taken straight from the movie mix. Every cut in the deleted cantina scene is different, so I had to cut up the movie mix considerably to sync it in. My mix is created from around 35 seperate audio elements. Blending original and deleted dialogue, heavily re-aranged movie mix sound and music, CD soundtrack elements and my own voice acting efforts.

2. The onset audio is practically non-existent in the deleted scene. When a main character isn't talking the audio drops in and out at random points leaving a high pitched whine and loud bangs can be heard from the extras. In fact the sound drops out when main characters are talking too. The drops in sound caused my ears to pop, meaning the original footage on the Blu-ray is barely watchable for me at least.

3. When luke first enters the bar Ben Burtt has created a cacophonous barrage of wierd alien sounds and voices to overwhelm the senses. If this wasn't present the scene would only impact you on a visual level. You'll notice than in the second half of the scene I've not used the movie mix audio and have just layed new music over the dialogue. While it could be a tad quieter, this would cause the lack of background sound to become noticable. As the second half of the scene takes place in a quieter alcove I thought this change in my approach to the soundscape was appropriate.

4. Above my pay grade sorry. Although the fact that the dialogue from the deleted scene is a bit cr*ppy, is fine with me. As this is supposed to be a rough version anyway. I've made it louder in a few places is all.

As I said I'm probably gonna do a second 'Purist'??? version of this fanedit. With this I'll have to construct a new sound mix that sounds like a complete recording of the on-set audio, then overlay it with an imaginary temp audio track.

RIJIR said:

Can I add some suggestions?

1. I believe the scene where C3PO is tangled in the wires on the falcon was actually shot for the beginning of the film.

Also the Lost Cut is supposed to have a documentary feel with lots of scenic shots.  You may want to add some desert scenes from other films.

And you may want to remove matte shots with images like these:

http://www.swrealprops.com/images/prod_photos/small/Sand%20Crawler%20Overlay.jpg

http://www.blueharvest.net/images/set/star/beamfloor.jpg

Well ones without the added text that is.  LOL

Thx for the comments.

1. Yes I know (Thx to the superb Star Wars: Begins fan doc). I was VERY tempted to use this idea but I won't be doing this as their is no accompanying footage of Threepio getting caught in the wires, or getting out. I'd have to cut from droids crossing corridor, to the planet below, to Threepio on the floor, to the planet and then back to to the droids getting in the escape pod. It would be just to wierd. It only works as part of the later scene because the intercutting is so rapid.

2. I've kinda done that already. Not so much footage as still back drops. From 2001's primordial intro for example, to double for Tatooine matte shots. If perfectly decent live action footage exists I won't be replacing it. However I may cut in extra footage from L of Arabia and films like that for the purist edit, since I'll be constructing a whole new soundtrack and won't bother about making it match the movie audio.

3. Again, already doing that. Matte's are being replaced with Ralph McQuarrie paintings or location photographs with explanatory text from the script overlayed.

fishmanlee said:

You could take Cantina band, and make it sound like it is being played on set?

Not sure how I would do that. Again another idea for the "purist" edit.

Maybe there is a recording of some bar band doing the cantina music?

Instead of using the John Williams Main Title theme i would suggest using this instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJwa9mX0bxA

It's obvious when listening to it just how much the main theme was influenced by this track.

Plus, instead of using the Star wars logo from the trailer, just go straight into the recreated original crawl, because that is how the original workprint Star Wars title would have appeared, plus you don't really need it twice.

Ryan McAvoy said:

fishmanlee said:

You could take Cantina band, and make it sound like it is being played on set?

Not sure how I would do that. Again another idea for the "purist" edit.

Maybe there is a recording of some bar band doing the cantina music?

A few considerations:

http://youtu.be/I7E5HtyX474?t=1m48s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFkIU7NWVEA

http://youtu.be/57cYKWCC4_o

http://youtu.be/W_LBjPcFG8c?t=57s

http://youtu.be/xjguw0OsAt4?t=28s

http://youtu.be/MrsDUuEWRhw

Hi adywan,

Looking forward to seeing more of Revisted Sir! Reading about your plans for PT:Revisted was the inspiration for doing my cuts of the PT.  I've taken Vader out of my ROTS, but can't imagine how you are gonna still have Vader in the Jedi temple attack scene as you describe (And sill not spoil ESB)?

Thx for the tips.

I was listening to the Korngold music the other day. Will being using that for the second version of this fan edit for sure. Love the echo on the first cantina clip, the second clip is pure magic (Can imagine this soundtracking Miss Marple in space!).

In this version, I'm trying to keep exactly to the movie mix audio where possible so you still feel like you are getting the star wars experience. Don't want it to assualt the senses with different visuals AND different audio, in this version at least.

But for the second version, I'm gonna mix it up much more. Hopefully everyone will have given me tips such as these for temp music tracks by then. I'll lose things like the teaser trailer logo as you suggest.

I want the 'purist' version to exactly match all available information about the workprint.

So any articles people know of, would be alot of use.

Has anybody done a mix of the star wars movie mix audio with the music reduced or eliminated already?

Hmm just lost the last few hrs of work on the workprint. Anybody know where that guy with the death sticks lives (Assuming they are the SW equivelant of cyanide)?

Failing that. A nice cup of tea and a deap breath.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Has anybody done a mix of the star wars movie mix audio with the music reduced or eliminated already?

Many have tried, many have found it pretty impossible.

timdiggerm said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Has anybody done a mix of the star wars movie mix audio with the music reduced or eliminated already?

Many have tried, many have found it pretty impossible.

Ha! I laugh in the face of "pretty impossible" (He unwisely said).

I F*CKING LOOOVED SHUFFLE PUCK CAFE!!!

The computer player Lexan who was an ace shuffle puck player but would get steadily more drunk if you started to beat him was the best. You needed to swipe your mouse super fast from one side to the other at just the right time to beat him. That youtube guy needed telling lol.

Love Amiga music generally (Especially where Sensible Software were concerned) but I think an endless loop of that 3 seconds of music would be difficult to use. I WISH I could find a way though.

Amiga games didn't get much better than...

An add for the (British) Empire would be awesome. Wonder if there enough newsreel footage talking about the "Empire" to cut well with SW footage?

Shhheeet! Just realised after reading your post, I didn't put a silence in after han kills greedo! To quote Jake Lloyd... oops!

Ronster said:

two birds one stone give it a go if it sounds crap then... Shame, I always wanted to hear that tune in cantina though

It's in there brother! Works really nicely too, in that old-western style post-shoot-out-piano way.

It's only about 5 seconds as Han is strolling out. But you don't get much cooler than blowing a bounty hunter away then nonchalantly exiting to an Amiga music.

Just lost the fully complete Jabba scene I'd finished a second before. My computer is going out the window rockstar-in-hotel style!

Anyway...

I'm editing this next:

Does anybody have James Earl Jones doing the lines from this scene or saying something similar????

The dialogue goes:

Bast: "We've closed the spaceport of Mos Eisley and started a search operation, it's just a matter of time before we find the droids"

Vader: Says 3 or 4 lines about how because Leia hopes the rebels will get the plans, she's still able to resist the mind probe.

Bast: "Til then we waste time with Governor Tarkin's foolish plan to break her"

Vader: Says nothing for the rest of the scene but he could say something, possibly ???

And before anybodys says. Yes I know there is a Holiday special version but I don't want to use that if I can avoid it. As like everything else in that travesty the dialogue is bad.

Ryan McAvoy said:

fishmanlee said:

You could take Cantina band, and make it sound like it is being played on set?

Not sure how I would do that. Again another idea for the "purist" edit.

It should be pretty easy.. Just a bit of reverb, make it mono, and perhaps use low and high pass filters.

Here's another test. Click the image below to see the video:

Things to note:

- Fixed music/silence problem (From last test) after Han kills Greedo.
- Edited raw stormtrooper search deleted footage and created new audio mix to blend into existing sequence.
- Cut in original Jabba scene using Jambe Davdar's reconstruction as the basis.
- All Jabba scene footage re-cropped and composed to minimise visual problems.
- 'Jabba credits' probllem covered with flipped cut away
- Bast/Vader scene still to work in at the end*

*need suggestions on how to fix the audio in this scene