Bingowings said:
You could even edit in Obi-wan calling him Qui-Gon Skywalker.
Drop ESB and you don't even have to do that.
Yoda and Mace could continue to moan about him, Obi-Wan could advise he would be on the council if he towed the line more.
Palpatine could refer to Darth Vader instead of Maul.
It's sort of makes sense really.
That's what I was thinking-- I'm going to rewatch with this in mind. Thanks, you guys!
The corridors of the Federation ship and Grievous ship are sort of similar.
So you could have older bearded Obi-Wan paired with Qui-Gon Skywalker and fight Tatt Vader on a ship which is part TPM/part ROTS, If you were willing to do the cut and paste.
He could then be fixed up as a skeletal cyborg and have a rematch on a volcanic world and be put into the Dark armour at the end.
MTHaslett said:
Bingowings said:
You could even edit in Obi-wan calling him Qui-Gon Skywalker.
Drop ESB and you don't even have to do that.
Yoda and Mace could continue to moan about him, Obi-Wan could advise he would be on the council if he towed the line more.
Palpatine could refer to Darth Vader instead of Maul.
It's sort of makes sense really.
That's what I was thinking-- I'm going to rewatch with this in mind. Thanks, you guys!
I really like this idea. Impossible probably, but I knew there was a good story lurking inside TPM.
A hypothetical radical edit:
The movie opens with Qui-gon and Obi-Wan escaping with the queen. With the ship damaged, Qui-gon decides to go to nearby Tatooine, his home planet. There he finds his estranged wife Shmi has been sold into slavery. She has a son, Luke, whom she later reveals to be Qui-Gon's (boy Anakin->Luke).
Qui-gon devises a scheme for Luke to win a podrace so he can free him and get the parts he needs for the Queen's ship, but he doesn't tell him he is his father. Luke wins, but Qui-Gon is attacked by a mysterious figure (Maul->Vader) as he is about to leave for Coruscant.
They go to Coruscant then Naboo (it could be renamed to Alderaan) and engage Vader where Qui-Gon is killed in the duel. Obi-Wan can defeat Vader and scenes from ROTS inserted to show Palpatine picking up his body. Qui-Gon's dying wish is for Obi-Wan to train Luke when he is old enough. Obi-Wan vows to track down Vader.
However, Order 66 goes down and Obi-Wan is forced to go into hiding. He goes back to Tatooine to fulfill his promise to Qui-Gon, but finds Shmi has been kidnapped by sand people and murdered. The Lars' blame the Jedi for luring away Qui-Gon and never want Luke to follow the same path. Obi-Wan rides off into the sunset to wait until the time is right to train Luke.
Great outline.. And doable up to a point in my mind-- I hope I see the footage I need.
If nothing else, a really cool trailer along these lines could be cut together.
MTHaslett said:
Great outline.. And doable up to a point in my mind-- I hope I see the footage I need.
If nothing else, a really cool trailer along these lines could be cut together.
Definitely.
You could also put together stills from the movies to make a comic book. It would make a nice "alternate history" prequel comic to Star Wars.
Johannus said:
The only things that I think would work with the footage available (and I'm not saying I like any of these ideas) are either Anakin is Vader and Dooku is Anakin, Palpatine is Vader and Anakin is Anakin and we assume his actions lead to Obi Wan killing Anakin and 'Vader' (Palpatine) being responsible, or Obi Wan is Vader and he kills Anakin by removing the part where he is saved.
Who, what, when, WHY ?!
just kidding - I think the idea Qui-Gon = Skywalker works best, if one wants a prequel film before "Star Wars", Maul = Vader is possible too, maybe his relation to Obi-Wan is kind of tricky to explain (or show), but his transformation into the "half man/machine" plus battle on vulcano could work.
Skywalker doesn't even be friends with Vader, Kenobi only said, he betrayed and murdered him - thats all ...
If one trims the prequels and cuts Empire & Jedi, then there would be room for a "new" 3rd movie ;-)
bobgarcia74 posted this as an amusing suggestion for Revenge Of The Ridiculousness.
But it could be re-worked as a serious idea.
Remove the cremation from TPM and Qui-Gon could be buried and his body removed and experimented on.
Dooku was his teacher and claims to wish he was still alive to help him.
The technologies Dooku employs to raise the dead could be re-used by Palpatine to create Vader.
It ties in with the whole technology vs the spirit angle of the saga if Qui-Gon is returned via unnatural means but Obi-Wan persists as a spiritual entity.
There are plenty of sound samples of Liam Neeson.
Bingowings: But it could be re-worked as a serious idea.
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THAT is a prequel idea. In the sense that it could match Obi Wan's story and still blow your mind with surprises.
Curiouser and curiouser...
Doesn't this thread belong in the Script Writing forum?
Script Writing and Re-writing
Everything from Prequel and Original Trilogy rewrites and script adjustments to new Star Wars stories and fan films. Discuss alterations and revisions to non-Star Wars material too.
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Not really as it's ideas for edits of the actual material as filmed.
I'd label it under a prequel rewrite/script adjustment, but I understand your distinction about re-editing vs scriptwriting. It's just sad to see the scriptwriting section get so little attention.
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NeverarGreat said:
I'd label it under a prequel rewrite/script adjustment, but I understand your distinction about re-editing vs scriptwriting. It's just sad to see the scriptwriting section get so little attention.
I used to participate in screenwriting threads, but then one day I checked my wallet, and realized I couldn't finance the re-shoot.... But hey, maybe Disney is listening???
The prequels need a lot of work, especially the first two. Although I thought Episode III was somewhat likeable.
I would have perfered however that in Episode III, you should have Anakin not kill the younglings. Make it so that is turn is not yet complete and he still has doubts. That way he still has some obvious good in him. Anakin spares the younglings, but they are tragically killed by the clones. Later on at Mustafar, Padme is able to calm him down and able talk him into leaving the dark side, but when Obi-Wan shows up, having snuck on the ship, Anakin gets furious, and the same thing happens as in the movie. This way when Vader is told that he killed his wife, it is essentially the end of any and all good in Anakin, until his son Luke can bring him back.
I think it's okay to have him kill children (I can't bring myself to call them Younglings the word is utterly silly) after he has become Vader.
He goes into this to save his wife and children so the price being the slaughter of his friends and children sounds like the sort of thing that would bury him in the Vader persona for decades.
Having him openly kill children when he is meant to be the good guy and reveal this to Padme before she marries him and before she contemplates having children with him is too weird to fathom in a series like Star Wars (maybe David Lynch could have pulled that off).
That's why I suggested having Vader exist before Anakin falls as a fugue state persona created by his grief over the death of his mother and his frustration at not being allowed to save her earlier.
That way a dark figure could be killing these innocents but it's not the good man Anakin, it's his dark shadow Vader who later takes over his body.
More Jekyll and Hyde than Ted Bundy.
Another fun line from the recent BBC radio adaptation of Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere is Christopher Lee saying, "I thought you'd be taller" in the last episode.
It sort of makes sense having Dooku say it to Anakin when he will later become the much taller Darth Vader.
I posted this on the Revisited thread the other day, but its really probably more appropriate here. Its a bunch of ideas sort of mulched together in what could become an edit which cannibalizes footage from both Episode 1 and 2.
The film would open with Seperatist invasion of Naboo (The first act of the Clone Wars). Naboo and Geonosis are combined as a desert world, so Theed would be like an oasis city. The Geonosians are the savage desert dwellers who hate the Oasis folk. Padme is introduced fighting her way from the throne room to the hangar. Royal Starship escapes and blasts into Hyperspace.
Obi-wan Kenobi is introduced inspecting the Clone Army. Not sure what the plot hook would be for this, but for whatever the reason he meets and fights the Mandalorian. He pursues him to Coruscant.
Padme would push for the creation of a Clone Army to liberate her homeworld.
Obi Wan - following the Mandalorian - somehow gets tipped off that Padme is the next target. He sees an exchange with Zam and pursues them. Somehow he ends up on that droid thing and gets shot off. He falls and gets caught by a speeder - introducing Anakin Skywalker. Zam could be chasing them, but her speeder could have guns on it? The droid thing meanwhile arrives at padme's. The Jedi arrive just in time, Anakin meets Padme for the first time.
Anakin is charged with protecting Padme, Obi-Wan is charged with travelling to Desert-Naboo, and negotiating with the Seperatists.
Naboo as seen in AOTC becomes Alderan, a green peaceful world. Padme is revealed by a mysterious spy (using Darth Maul footage) Droids invade forcing them to leave.
Anakin takes her to his homeworld - Tatooine. The spy follows them there, hunting Padme by sending those ball droids looking for her. They recieve a message from occupied Desert-Naboo informing them that Obi-Wan Kenobi is to be executed (as an act of war). Padme, sick of running, decides that they should attempt a hopeless rescue.
They travel to Desert/Naboo (ie geonosis). There are no Droid Factories, just a massive occupying force. They are captured and sentenced to death in the arena. The Clones show up, and defeat the droids.
I always liked the idea of Dooku wearing a CG Mask until a big reveal moment. This would allow for an extra to stand in for him in some essential earlier scenes, as well as some easy redubbing with a mechanical voice.
Glad to see this thread resurface. Most of what's currently going on in the Revisited thread should be here.
Random Request -
Does anyone know if the Bloopers from the Prequels (specifically AOTC) were ever released in HD?
IDEA:
No large spaceships in the prequels.
When that Star Destroyer cruises over the camera at the beginning of EP4 following a familiar ship (including the Blockade Runner in ROTS was a good idea), it should be the absolute biggest thing we've ever seen, to make us recognize the insane power of the Empire.
that would be cool
It wouldn't make much sense.
In ESB and ROTJ the Rebels have capital ships of the same sort of scale and those are old ships.
it could be argued as a kind of escalation though? the imperials build capitol ships, so the rebels respond accordingly.
but that aside, it would be hard to have a PT without these bigger ships, and considering how old the galaxy is it would make sense to have them.
maybe the wedge shaped star destroyer in the PT could be smaller, and grow and grow as the clone wars progress. then by ANH its got really big, and by ESB it is bigger again!
ben_danger said:
Random Request -
Does anyone know if the Bloopers from the Prequels (specifically AOTC) were ever released in HD?
just asking this again. id also be after them without the music if anyone knows about that too. the reason i'm after them, is actually to be partially cut into some of the scenes to add an edge of improvisation to some of the quite stale scenes.
one particular scene has hayden complain that the soup is hot in the cruiser in AOTC. its quite funny, and could almost act as a charming opening to the scene as a whole.
The Old Republic lacking captital ships ?
I think that doesn't work with the "history" - there were wars before "the galactic civil war" - and some had bigger fleets than the Empire, but that is EU ...
The Rebels/Alliance had no such rich, massive resources as the Empire has - they got all the major players, that build equipment for the Republic too
and our "fighters for freedom" use all means, speaking of old used gear, what they can find and get hands on - only later in the conflict groups with money and connections, join the "good cause" and better weapons are build.
So keep the good stuf, but try to give them visual unique style, so we can for one say it is Repulic and secondly a "protoype" for later Imperial vehicles - "Dreadnaughts" anyone ?
There's big and then there's BIG, no? I didn't mean that the Blockade Runner had to be the biggest ship ever, but it would help if the SD was clearly bigger than anything previously seen.