Star Wars Inconsistencies — Page 4

Obi-Wan's lightsaber shorts out when he gets it wet in the swamp after escaping his landing craft. Lightsabers require special modifications, or else they don't work underwater, this is an established EU fact.

This is the reason he is running from the STAPs and why Qui-Gon has to rescue him. I feel like I've seen a deleted scene with this in it, but it may just be that the scene has been described in other sources.

Obi Wan says he was trained by Yoda in Empire Strikes back.  We then learn this is not the case in the phantom menace, there is some Qui Gon guy who was never mentioned in the original trilogy but was his real master.

Obi Wan claims Anakin was a good friend who was slowly seduced by evil, nowhere shown in the prequels.

The so called great jedi purge is handled in a pathetic and anti climatic way in episode III, this is not Vader betraying the jedi and hunting them down.

Bester said:

11) "I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine" and then........nothing.

Bester said:

12) "Idealistic crusade" - what exactly?  The Clone War was not a conflict based on idealism.  And "crusade" seems to imply a conflict based on religion.  You could argue that this refers to Jedi vs Sith, but this was never made public knowledge (the general public do not know the true nature or identity of the Emperor).

xhonzi said:

Bester said:

11) "I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine" and then........nothing.

I spent a few minutes searching because I recall a decent conversation on this point a little while ago. Not finding it, I will quickly summarize:

Ben's death catalyzes Luke. That's what he meant, and that definitely came true.

It's an interesting point but I always thought it was even simpler than that. By more powerful, I always assumed Obi Wan was telling Vader that he will survive death and have greater but unknown influence through the Force. I never expected anything to happen. It's an insightful point that one way this could be accomplished was by catalyzing Luke - though that could have been done even if we never heard from Obi Wan again. Obi Wan did become more powerful after death (even if don't don't know exactly what he does all day in spirit form).

I don't get the confusion as expressed by Bester. In the OT, the Force wasn't about overt showing of powers. It was a force that helped guide one's actions. One could harness it to do amazing things - lifting a ship, for example - but that was never the main use of the Force. I never thought Obi Wan was going to turn into a flaming dragon and rise from his robes after Vader smote him or show up in ROTJ and throw the Emperor down the shaft. What I loved about the OT was the mystical nature of the Force. When Obi Wan told Vader "more powerful than you can possibly imagine" I thought he literally meant it.

Which is one of the most annoying inconsistencies of the PT: Jedi are superheroes constantly levitating things, sometimes speed running, and performing other superhuman feats. In the more quiet moments we learn about Midichlorians.

Mrebo said:

xhonzi said:

Bester said:

11) "I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine" and then........nothing.

I spent a few minutes searching because I recall a decent conversation on this point a little while ago. Not finding it, I will quickly summarize:

Ben's death catalyzes Luke. That's what he meant, and that definitely came true.

It's an interesting point but I always thought it was even simpler than that. By more powerful, I always assumed Obi Wan was telling Vader that he will survive death and have greater but unknown influence through the Force.

I think the soundtrack proves my point.

Mrebo said:

xhonzi said:

Bester said:

11) "I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine" and then........nothing.

I spent a few minutes searching because I recall a decent conversation on this point a little while ago. Not finding it, I will quickly summarize:

Ben's death catalyzes Luke. That's what he meant, and that definitely came true.

It's an interesting point but I always thought it was even simpler than that. By more powerful, I always assumed Obi Wan was telling Vader that he will survive death and have greater but unknown influence through the Force. I never expected anything to happen. It's an insightful point that one way this could be accomplished was by catalyzing Luke - though that could have been done even if we never heard from Obi Wan again. Obi Wan did become more powerful after death (even if don't don't know exactly what he does all day in spirit form).

I don't get the confusion as expressed by Bester. In the OT, the Force wasn't about overt showing of powers. It was a force that helped guide one's actions. One could harness it to do amazing things - lifting a ship, for example - but that was never the main use of the Force. I never thought Obi Wan was going to turn into a flaming dragon and rise from his robes after Vader smote him or show up in ROTJ and throw the Emperor down the shaft. What I loved about the OT was the mystical nature of the Force. When Obi Wan told Vader "more powerful than you can possibly imagine" I thought he literally meant it.

Which is one of the most annoying inconsistencies of the PT: Jedi are superheroes constantly levitating things, sometimes speed running, and performing other superhuman feats. In the more quiet moments we learn about Midichlorians.

This.

yotsuya said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Obi Wan says he was trained by Yoda in Empire Strikes back.  We then learn this is not the case in the phantom menace, there is some Qui Gon guy who was never mentioned in the original trilogy but was his real master.

Obi Wan claims Anakin was a good friend who was slowly seduced by evil, nowhere shown in the prequels.

The so called great jedi purge is handled in a pathetic and anti climatic way in episode III, this is not Vader betraying the jedi and hunting them down.

Obi-wan treats Yoda as more of a master than Qui-gon (I get the impression that Obi-wan is with Qui-gon for field training before becoming a knight. Qui-gon is there and gone in a brief period while Yoda remains. Besides, with the creative history (with how the movies turned out) that Obi-wan had admitted to, why would this be any different.

Obi-wan and Anakin show a clear friendship and Anakin's fall is not abrupt, nearly every conversation with Palpatine is leading to his fall. Remember, Palpatine has had years of contact with Anakin that we don't see.

The Jedi Purge is not over when Episode III ends. Those were just the Jedi with clone troops. What about how Anakin went to the temple and slaughtered the Jedi there, even the young ones. How many other Jedi escaped the clones and need to be hunted down by Darth Vader (once the black armor goes on).

We can make all kinds of guesses to try to make things make more sense...but it was clear that Qui Gon was Obi Wan's master. Just as Yoda was Dooku's master. Star Wars wikia supports the obvious interpretation of what we saw and was said in the PT. Yoda was not presented as Obi Wan's teacher, except maybe when he was in a class as a youngling.

Obi Wan and Anakin do not show a clear friendship. Moments of exposition insist upon it but it never feels authentic. I agree Anakin's fall in the PT wasn't abrupt (not does skyjedi say so). Anakin was constantly upset and moody. In Attack of the Clones he murders women and children. So whatever Palpatine did took root early and played out over and over again. Becoming a Sith was a mere formality. The movies suffered for not showing Anakin's fall, his seduction...instead we are left guessing what Palpatine might have been doing 'between the movies.' As presented, it was in Anakin's character to be angry and psychotic. Later on Palpatine tricks him. But he was not seduced.

You are on slightly firmer ground about the jedi purge. I completely agree with skyjedi that it was handled in a pathetic and anti climatic way....but that doesn't make it an inconsistency.

OldOneAncarotaur said:

theprequelsrule said:

One of the worst inconsistencies is the changing timeline. In the original trilogy it is implied that The Empire has been around for a good while; at least 40 or 50 years. The Star Wars novelization provides an interesting "alternative" history of the fall of the Old Republic and rise of the Empire. A much better one that the that which is presented in the prequels, I might add.

How is is different in the Star Wars novelization?

 

When Luke leaves to save his friends, Ben tells Yoda, “That boy was our last hope.”  To which Yoda replies, “No, there is another.”  You eventually find out in Episode VI that Leia is the other hope to which Yoda refers.  Soooo, Ben forgot that Padme gave birth to twins?  He seems to remember that when telling Luke about it in Return of the Jedi, so why doesn’t he know this in Empire Strikes Back?  A conundrum…….

Perhaps Obi-wan is unable to appear to Leia as a ghost, as he never really knew her, so his statement was to the effect that Luke was Obi-wan's last hope. And as it was Obi-wan who told Luke to go to Dagobah to meet Yoda, if Luke were to be killed, then Leia would have no way of meeting Yoda at all. Ergo, Luke was literally their last hope. Yoda may have been more technically minded, and stated that even without the help of the Jedi, Leia may become powerful in the Force and defeat the Empire. Because, you know, always in motion is the future.

That is a rather technical reason, so my personal non-PT explanation is that the Jedi were always male, and Leia is the beginning of a strange new expression of the Force which Yoda has become aware of. This would explain why Obi-wan never even tried to train Leia.

adywan said:

1 - Yoda actually says that Luke is too old to be trained in ESB

2 - Yeh, that's one of the problems thanks to the prequels

3 - Owens surname is Lars and not Skywalker