Victory Celebration — Page 2

Well this digressed a little bit. Oh well, sometimes you just gotta go with the flow. In a vacuum, I strongly think Victory Celebration is the better song. In context, maybe Yub Nub closes the gap, but I remain unconvinced. And to be honest, I think people have strong loyalty to what they heard first. I grew up with Victory Celebration, and most people here heard Yub Nub first. Just imagine if Victory Celebration had been in the original, and in 1997 Yub Nub had been swapped in... I know I would have been ready to riot.

As for Lucas and the Han Shot First shirt thing, I honestly think at this point in time there is absolutely know way to know what he's thinking. I suspect I am a lot less venomous towards him than many, but he simply doesn't make sense. I think this quote in particular gets me: "I am very concerned that the films that I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them." I don't know how a rational person says that, on record, and then does what he does in terms of the Star Wars franchise. I don't think there is a rational explanation. If I had to guess at one, I would bet that he truly believes in that quote, but has convinced himself that *his* movies are different, and that they don't count. This rings especially true with the recent discussions on -1's blog, in terms of how hard it was and how much of a compromise it was to do some of the optical effects back in the 70s. If he has actually convinced himself that he would have done the movies that way back then, I think I can start to see the warped logic. This becomes even more dubious, though, with some of the nonsensical changes (Ewok eyes, Vader's no, Luke's scream added and then removed again, etc.) Hopefully that paragraph made sense - I tried to keep it from getting too long but may have sacrificed clarity.

Back to the song choices, I think a huge aspect is what they were used to convey. I think Victory Celebration has a far more epic (I hate to use a word that has been so clichéd lately, but I think that is the right word) and wide-ranging scope, which we see in the shots of the rest of the galaxy. Whereas in the original, as someone said, all we see are our beloved heroes dancing with teddy bears, and I can grudgingly see Yub Nub perhaps making more sense. This then raises the issue of adding the galaxy wide shots, which again, I have no huge qualms with. I personally believe that the death of the dictator of an oppressive regime would lead to widespread celebrating, but others may disagree.

As I've said before, I absolutely LOVE Victory Celebration, and I personally think it makes for an incredible ending to the trilogy. I watched the 97 ending again today, and even though it's the umpteenth time doing so, I still get chills and a emotional torrent of nostalgia for my childhood.

I like the Victory Celebration quite a bit as well, having grown up with the SE.

Yub Nub has grown on me, though. To the point where I prefer it.

In the end, they're two very different endings for two very different film series; Yub Nub is the perfect closure for the OT alone (a big, but also very personal victory, with a lot more work to be done), but when you look at the broader picture with the PT and the idea that Jedi was supposed to be the end of Star Wars period, the Victory Celebration fits well (though I've always thought it was a bit weird that Tatooine cared given their backwaterness and Hutt control, and the reaction on Coruscant seemed a bit over-the-top, but that's what Star Wars is about, people rising up to throw off the shackles of oppression-I mean young hot sexy muscular Hayden Christensen (AKA HayChris) with the handsome face before he turned into the white egg man in the cyborg samurai armour with the James Earl Jones voice Darth Vader).

For the ending of the original trilogy, I think the original music works well. As the end of a six film saga, however, I agree that victory celebration is more fitting, as well as the images of the celebrating galaxy, however nonsensical they actually are.

There's yet another angle to look at this from, however. If episodes 7, 8, and 9 attempt to conclude the entire saga, I believe that the original Yub Nub song could work remarkably well, as it gives the message that the victory of the Rebels was only a local victory, and as such warranted only a local celebration. The audience would look to the final trilogy to complete the story, whatever it turns out to be, and the end of episode 9 would conclude on a victory celebration on a galactic scale, and one that was truly warranted.

Edit: Tyrphanax, you beat me to it.

Nah, you made a different point in terms of the sequels that I hadn't thought of, but do agree with. The Victory Celebration ties everything up almost too well since, like I said, SE Jedi was supposed to be the end of the saga and doesn't leave much room for much of a story afterwards since everything is said and done.

Although with the OT actors being as old as they are now, the likelihood that the ST will be pushed back to a point where Disney wouldn't tell the stories of the immediate aftermath of the fall of the Empire is pretty high. Problem is, dealing with a enemy other than the Empire will detach the ST from the rest of the saga (even the PT dealt with the Empire in a way)... it'll be interesting to see what they do since the end of SE Jedi really seems like everything is all wrapped up nice and neat.

Tyrphanax said:

I like the Victory Celebration quite a bit as well, having grown up with the SE.

Yub Nub has grown on me, though. To the point where I prefer it.

In the end, they're two very different endings for two very different film series; Yub Nub is the perfect closure for the OT alone (a big, but also very personal victory, with a lot more work to be done), but when you look at the broader picture with the PT and the idea that Jedi was supposed to be the end of Star Wars period, the Victory Celebration fits well (though I've always thought it was a bit weird that Tatooine cared given their backwaterness and Hutt control, and the reaction on Coruscant seemed a bit over-the-top, but that's what Star Wars is about, people rising up to throw off the shackles of oppression-I mean young hot sexy muscular Hayden Christensen (AKA HayChris) with the handsome face before he turned into the white egg man in the cyborg samurai armour with the James Earl Jones voice Darth Vader).

You have an interesting view of hotness. Still the celebrations on other planets didn't really make sense to me. Even with crazy interstellar communications, it would take awhile for the credibility of the message to be established. "Hey Phil, yeah I'm out here on this random moon of Endor *static* sorry what? Anyways, we just blew up the Death Star, and yeah the Emperor is totally dead. And Vader too. So go tell everybody to celebrate." I think the celebrations would have been days or weeks later perhaps. I like Yub Nub also because it's not as epic. It has that quirky and unpretentious Star Wars sensibility.

Tyrphanax said:

Nah, you made a different point in terms of the sequels that I hadn't thought of, but do agree with. The Victory Celebration ties everything up almost too well since, like I said, SE Jedi was supposed to be the end of the saga and doesn't leave much room for much of a story afterwards since everything is said and done.

Although with the OT actors being as old as they are now, the likelihood that the ST will be pushed back to a point where Disney wouldn't tell the stories of the immediate aftermath of the fall of the Empire is pretty high. Problem is, dealing with a enemy other than the Empire will detach the ST from the rest of the saga (even the PT dealt with the Empire in a way)... it'll be interesting to see what they do since the end of SE Jedi really seems like everything is all wrapped up nice and neat.

All the more reason to remake the prequels with a different, more local, conflict. I'd say a war between two planets, with Anakin as the hero. An interplanetary war is still a pretty big deal, from a certain point of view.

Then we could have an epic intergalactic war for the sequel trilogy, and keep things fresh. It seems pointless to always keep the story at the same scale.

SilverWook said:

Mrebo said:

Tyrphanax said:

I like the Victory Celebration quite a bit as well, having grown up with the SE.

Yub Nub has grown on me, though. To the point where I prefer it.

In the end, they're two very different endings for two very different film series; Yub Nub is the perfect closure for the OT alone (a big, but also very personal victory, with a lot more work to be done), but when you look at the broader picture with the PT and the idea that Jedi was supposed to be the end of Star Wars period, the Victory Celebration fits well (though I've always thought it was a bit weird that Tatooine cared given their backwaterness and Hutt control, and the reaction on Coruscant seemed a bit over-the-top, but that's what Star Wars is about, people rising up to throw off the shackles of oppression-I mean young hot sexy muscular Hayden Christensen (AKA HayChris) with the handsome face before he turned into the white egg man in the cyborg samurai armour with the James Earl Jones voice Darth Vader).

You have an interesting view of hotness. Still the celebrations on other planets didn't really make sense to me. Even with crazy interstellar communications, it would take awhile for the credibility of the message to be established. "Hey Phil, yeah I'm out here on this random moon of Endor *static* sorry what? Anyways, we just blew up the Death Star, and yeah the Emperor is totally dead. And Vader too. So go tell everybody to celebrate." I think the celebrations would have been days or weeks later perhaps. I like Yub Nub also because it's not as epic. It has that quirky and unpretentious Star Wars sensibility.

FYI, Tyrphanax is riffing on our recent troll with the Hayden obsession. ;)

Oh...I've been quite out of it. I saw another thread with a banning but didn't know the foundation.

And you're just on the wrong side of the Ewok line, Bingo!

Baronlando said:

Did they play Victory Celebration at the big ongoing Star Wars concert thing?  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_In_Concert

Nope!

And honestly, given that they can only feasibly do one finale, I'm not surprised. Though I would have done Victory Celebration/End Credits w/ a hybrid end credits that finishes the way the ROTS OST (but not film) credits track runs (ie ending w/ Throne Room).

NeverarGreat said:

Tyrphanax said:

Nah, you made a different point in terms of the sequels that I hadn't thought of, but do agree with. The Victory Celebration ties everything up almost too well since, like I said, SE Jedi was supposed to be the end of the saga and doesn't leave much room for much of a story afterwards since everything is said and done.

Although with the OT actors being as old as they are now, the likelihood that the ST will be pushed back to a point where Disney wouldn't tell the stories of the immediate aftermath of the fall of the Empire is pretty high. Problem is, dealing with a enemy other than the Empire will detach the ST from the rest of the saga (even the PT dealt with the Empire in a way)... it'll be interesting to see what they do since the end of SE Jedi really seems like everything is all wrapped up nice and neat.

All the more reason to remake the prequels with a different, more local, conflict. I'd say a war between two planets, with Anakin as the hero. An interplanetary war is still a pretty big deal, from a certain point of view.

Then we could have an epic intergalactic war for the sequel trilogy, and keep things fresh. It seems pointless to always keep the story at the same scale.

I disagree. I feel like The Clone Wars should be a massive galactic-scale conflict.

I definitely feel like there should be more than one Clone War.

Crap we turned this into PT Redux ideas.

The real problem is that Victory Celebration is very bland and of-its-time, while Yub Nub is super cheesy, and increasingly so the louder the choir gets (and unbearably so once they switch to English).