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Bingowings said:

The solar system has thousands of years (probably millions of years) worth of mineral ores in it.

Even if you went wild with technology.

As I say in the time frame now given to us depletion makes no sense.

Maybe there was some accident mining asteroids or draining gas giants but regulation as a means to prevent corporate wars isn't 'random' it has historical precedent (East India Company anyone?).

I believe their looking for oil, specifically for manufacturing plastics, as in the future they use Mr Fusion or something. IIRC thats in the novelisation. 

 

oh yeah, and Prometheus sucked royally. 

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As I say plenty of petrochemicals in the atmosphere of the gas giants so no need to go to another star system and back.

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I'm late to the party but here goes.

This film was a trainwreck, but only a minor one (injuries but no deaths). Some random thoughts:

  • stupidest...scientists...ever
  • related to the above point; I was always asking myself "why the hell would you do/say/think that?" for almost everything the characters did/said/thought
  • you would think these folk would be a little more excited about discovering an alien species
  • what was with the cheesy looking flamethrower and tazer weapons?
  • did we have to have another android with ulterior motives?
  • Shaw and Vickers should have been combined into one character
  • no Charlize Theron in tight panties. Disappointing
  • did Scott intentionally make a film that had just enough Alien references to piss off the fans?
  • I liked the initial scenes with David before the others come out of hypersleep
  • the last 15 minutes are absolutely terrible
  • Noomi Rapace has an incredibly wide head
  • Scott seemed to ignore the Alien lore that followed his original film; he had the concept that the creatures were deliberately engineered weapons, but the introduction of the Alien Queen seemed to imply that they were simply a very dangerous and malevolent species
  • special effects still looked overly clean and tidy to me
  • it reused some ideas from early Alien scripts the same way TPM used ideas from early Star Wars scripts; the ideas were not used in the original films because they were stupid
  • I hated the ending narration; it felt absolutely out of place
  • Scott or the studio obviously felt the story was too weak to stand on it's own (read: make money), hence the massive amounts of Alien stuff retained from earlier script drafts and the advertising campaign that left little doubt to any fan that it was a prequel

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The UAP script does look more interesting as I predicted it's still got problems though, some of them unique to that script (like the ship being the same one as in Alien).

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I had a dream last night where I was hired to redub over all of the dialogue in Prometheus, live as it was on screen.

Actually got me thinking that it might be a fun fan-edit project to do. Sort of like that Woody Allen movie. Redo the sound from the ground up, totally new plot. Might even improve it

 

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Did anyone grab a copy of that script before it was removed?

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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FanFiltration said:

Did anyone grab a copy of that script before it was removed?

Apparently Ridley Scott didn't either.

 

 

 

HA!

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I hope the Daemon will not return, in a way I hope Ridley doesn't either, watching those documentaries he doesn't seem to have a clue when it comes to science.

Not a good sign when you are making science fiction but a boon when you are making a space opera.

Maybe he should make Star Wars.

That's interesting.

It will be the first time a Star Wars film has gone head to head with an Alien film.

Even the AVP movies and the PT managed to avoid being in the same room together.

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I hope the Daemon will not return, in a way I hope Ridley doesn't either, watching those documentaries he doesn't seem to have a clue when it comes to science.

Did you get the BD/DVD? I watched the huge documentary The Furious Gods, and I was really impressed on how he (Sir Ridley) insisted on practical effects supported by CG and not the Prequel style of effects, the sets & design were breathtaking.

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Isn't Furious Gods only available on the mega huge 3D Blu set?

I was talking about the short documentaries that came out to promote the film.

From what I can remember he made out Europa was in another star system and that NASA and the Vatican agree on the ancient astronaut stuff.

Silly sausage.

Right about the general ethos though.

I do think the CGI Fifield was better than the practical one but that's more because the rubbish design of the makeup more than anything.

At least the CGI one looked on it's way to becoming alien and not just Oddbod Jr.

Actually he was more scary than either of them

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Isn't Furious Gods only available on the mega huge 3D Blu set?

I do think the CGI Fifield was better than the practical one but that's more because the rubbish design of the makeup more than anything.

At least the CGI one looked on it's way to becoming alien and not just Oddbod Jr.

Yeah thats the set I got

I agree that the design of the CG Fifield looks a lot better & in keeping with the Giger look than the make-up version, but when you see the completed shot it does look.....CG.....maybe the graphics team were told to halt where they were when Ridley decided to go with a practical effect....perhaps they couldn't refine it.

I think overall the decision to go practical was the better solution, I watched the film again and I can't fault the imagery....nothing stands out as obviously CG, which is sadly what the general public scrutinise for....Recently a work colleague saw Skyfall and the only negative thing they said about the movie was the CG Komodo Dragons....I could'nt believe how that stuck in his head.

If Ridley had done the practical effect based on the design of the CG and enhanced it with CG, it would have been perfect

 

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So...I got excited because of the release of Aliens: Colonial Marines. The game was....okay. But a side effect of my excitement was that I finally delved into the Aliens universe proper. Been reading the original pre-Alien³ comics and ended up stumbling upon a pretty dedicated fanbase. To my surprise the hardcore Aliens fans LOVE Prometheus. It's....weird. This is the kind of stuff they have to say about it:

Saw this last night in Imax 3D. Really enjoyed it, although I'm going to go back to watch it in 2D because I think the beautiful cinematography warrants seeing it as a "regular film" (and plus I just want to watch it again). I've read some very mixed and confused reviews about Prometheus, and after reflecting on it although there are some inconsistencies (mainly to do with the obvious cutting, it should have been at least 30 minutes longer) it is a superb film and well worthy of the Alien canon.

SPOILERS GALORE BELOW THIS POINT

So, firstly my take on the plot. The engineer at the beginning of the film ("Adam") is seeding the Earth with engineer DNA. He takes the black goo, which disintegrates his DNA and allows it to propagate on Earth. The engineers return to Earth at various points to check up on the progress of their seed. This is pretty well established, and follows on from various interviews I've read with Ridley Scott talking about "Chariot of the Gods", the Erich Von Daniken book from the 70s about how humans are descended from a space faring race.

Flash forward to the future and Weyland Tech is subsidising a trip to LV-223 to investigate what the star maps are pointing to. Clearly this is so that Weyland himself has one last roll of the dice to try and extend his life (one of the many Blade Runner references throughout: "I want more life, fucker"). Quite a few people seemed to be confused about why the medical-pod was setup for a male rather than female, obviously it's been brought along for Weyland, as has Vickers' escape pod. They land, find the goo and get back to the ship just before the storm (awesome scene). This brings us to the bit that most people seem to struggle with, what is the black goo?

My take is that the goo is a catalyst for life, and death. Adam uses it at the beginning to create life, but the outpost on LV-233 is a cache / research centre to develop the goo as a biological weapon. The goo changes the host into something else, a killer, and the way it changes the host depends on how they are infected. Look at the evidence: Fifield is infected from direct contact with the goo, goes insane and is killed. Holloway is fed the goo by David (on the orders of Weyland) and becomes infected from within, after impregnating Shaw. She incubates the seed inside her and pulls it out as it's gestating. This then impregnates the last engineer in the standard Alien way (seed down throat) which creates the proto-xenomorph that we see at the end. So, the goo is a weapon and we have been seeded on Earth to be the hosts of that weapon, hence the reason that the engineers are sending the ship back full of it.

I thought the subtext to the storyline was subtly brilliant in many ways. The main themes are to do with creation, parenthood and, as with Blade Runner, what it means to be human. Taking creation first, the engineers created us and we created David. This sets up an ongoing theme throughout the film about what it is to be "human". There are many examples of this - the conversations David has with the crew, specifically Holloway, the exchange between Vickers and Janek when he "just wants to know if she's a robot". Just like the replicants in Blade Runner, David is actually "more human than human", he shows more emotional depth than the rest of the crew- look at the way he stares reverentially at Weyland, his “father”. If we know that we are not a form of pure evolutionary Darwinism ("You want to throw three centuries of Darwinism out of the window?") and in fact we are another being's creation (just like David) then how different is our existence to his? The engineers created us and we created David and just like the replicants, how much "more human" are we than our creations? In many ways LV-223 is our Voight-Kampff, and we fail the test.

The mission Prometheus is on is also a quest for our parents, or more specifically, our fathers. Just as the first Alien films are about motherhood and birth (the Queen alien, the aliens gestating inside the hosts) Prometheus is about fatherhood. This goes right down to the way the engineers look, they are huge, muscular, silent creatures, just as many children see their fathers . Fatherhood in Prometheus is about creating something in your image that becomes something else (just as the goo changes its host into something different) and in the end becomes a threat that has to be destroyed; “A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable.” Ridley Scott is saying, if god can be killed, then god is dead.

For me Prometheus shows Ridley Scott is still a wonderful sci-fi director. He picks up the big themes and creates films that entertain as much as they make you think. I think Prometheus will be looked back upon as a classic, I already consider it one.

What do you guys think?

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I think he is onto something with the father angle.

I don't think children see fathers as silent but giant, yes, quick to frighten with anger for inexplicable reasons, yes, dangerous, yes but where's the tenderness that is also associated with fatherhood, where's the reward for good behaviour?

Alien was clearly inspired by Dracula (specifically the Demeter sequences).

The fanged parasite waiting out the centuries to corrupt and sexually pervert humanity is as applicable to the vampire as it is to the alien.

Prometheus is clearly inspired by Frankenstein (at the time The Modern Prometheus here the futuristic Post-Modern one), as well as The Mummy.

In Mary Shelley's book there are plenty of references to paternal figures.

God makes Adam, Man makes the Creature, all in each other's image and are pretty beastly to each other.

In this film we see Jeff Goldblum's quip from Jurassic Park played out non-sequentially with adjustment.

God creates dinosaurs, God kills dinosaurs, God creates man, Man creates Robot, Robot creates Squid Baby, Squid Baby kills God, Woman inherits the world.

It's sounds all very interesting but sadly the film is shite (it's not even up to the level of the decidedly average Jurassic Park). 

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The credits for the movie teased something was going to happen last fall.

 

Did anything happen?

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

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"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Wasn't that just an advert for the DVD/Blu-ray?

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I was thinking that earlier... if it was... that's pretty lame.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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lolz

 

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Well it seems that production of "Prometheus 2" is moving ahead.

I was just over at the IMDb site, and I saw that a new cast member has been added to "Prometheus 2".

The new cast member listed is actor Danny Webb, and it's listed as rumored that he will be playing the character of Morse. Webb played Morse in Alien³and was the only character from the prison planet to survive that Alien encounter. His Character was taken away by the company security man at the end of the film.

I find this very interesting, and wanted to see what you all think of this development.

 

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