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Disney Acquires LucasFilm for $4.05 billion, Episode 7 in 2015, 8 and 9 to Follow, New Film Every 2-3 Years — Page 27

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For some reason this forum (or maybe it's my laptop) goes a bit nuts when I try and quote other posts within a reply.

Why no Sith Ladies? Excellent point, I think. Remember Shira Brie from the comics who then became the Lady Lumiya? Excellent character and I believe she is now in the EU books. The supremely talented ian McCaig came up with the design for the Sith Witch for The Phantom Menace but Lucas felt (probably quite rightly) that it was too scary. McCaig pushed again in Attack of The Clones for a female villain and apparently it was on the cards until lucas went for the Count Dooku character, the design eventually being taken up for the Clone Wars cartoon.

So, this is their chance now, with these three films, to introduce a female villain. I, for one, hope they do it.

As for the awful dialogue in Attack of The Clones, I don't know who wrote it - Lucas or Hales - but it is pretty sad that people always assume that anything bad in the films is automatically Lucas's fault, even when he's had a co-writer.

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Shattered Glass is a good movie and Hayden Christensen is good in it too, but keep in mind he's playing a nerve-racking prick. I wouldn't even dare to say his acting was bad in Episode III. (it was reasonable), he just lacks the charisma and virility to play Darth Vader. He was nothing like the average fan would've imagined Anakin Skywalker.

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Easterhay said:

As for the awful dialogue in Attack of The Clones, I don't know who wrote it - Lucas or Hales - but it is pretty sad that people always assume that anything bad in the films is automatically Lucas's fault, even when he's had a co-writer.

It's probably because as employer of the co-writer, even if the rubbish lines were Hales, Lucas still kept them. He also directed the scenes where they were said and oversaw the editing and had final say to the theatrical cut and home cinema cuts of the film.

So it is automatically his fault.

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point5 said:


OMG, I hadn't checked my emails for a few days!! What a fool I was to subscribe to this topic. Haha!! I had like 200 topic update notices. It will be impossible for me to read every post, but the recent bombshell thrown at fans by George Lucas sure has promoted some lively discussion.

Just one thing I hope is that Disney remains true to Lucas's vision and doesn't adopt a version of the "Lord of the Rings" or "Harry Pothead" style. Just because those kinds of films were successful for younger audiences today does not mean that Star Wars should throw out the Force in favour of magic. Lucas sometimes delved into the world of witches and magic with the Ewoks cartoon series and Clone Wars. In small doses it works and compliments the idea of an all-encompassing life Force. It concerns me a bit that a style like the Italian fan film Dark Resurrection may be adopted which could send Lucas's original vision way off track. Any future SW films will need to remain true to the original idea.

Essentially the Force is magic.

It's no coincidence that Owen describes Ben as a wizard, Sir Alec described the role as being Tolkienesque.

People sometimes forget the late sixties, earlier seventies boom in Tolkienmania.

Much of the technology in the series comes under Clarke's laws (Hindu paintings centuries old show gods fighting with lightsabers or things that look like them).

Lucas wanted a narrative device to stand in for the supernatural which wasn't easily associated with anything that might cause offense or clog up the imagination so he took a bit of Eastern philosophy and gave it a seventies self help mysticism sounding name.

I wonder how many would be Jedi's became Scientologists (probably as many alien abductees who first saw Close Encounters).

I was struck by how Star Warsy some scenes in the Harry Potter films were, Willow is more how I imagined the prequels to be than the way they turned out.

Imagine if that was the story of a Sith Lady trying to prevent the birth of Anakin and having him rescued by astrodroid and a bunch of aliens.

Val Kilmer was much cooler than even Ewan back then. 

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Bingowings said:

Easterhay said:

As for the awful dialogue in Attack of The Clones, I don't know who wrote it - Lucas or Hales - but it is pretty sad that people always assume that anything bad in the films is automatically Lucas's fault, even when he's had a co-writer.

It's probably because as employer of the co-writer, even if the rubbish lines were Hales, Lucas still kept them. He also directed the scenes where they were said and oversaw the editing and had final say to the theatrical cut and home cinema cuts of the film.

So it is automatically his fault.

 

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georgec said:

The ultimate downfall of the prequels is that they were completely subservient to the OT.

While the new movies will pick up threads from either or both sagas, it's important to not constrict them to trying to explain or connect every little detail to the OT like the PT did.

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Does Disney now own the Indiana Jones franchise as well or does Paramount own those rights?

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I agree with Bingo here. The prequels should have told a smaller story than the OT, not a larger one. It's pretty easy to imagine your favorite things in the OT, just bigger, faster, and more intense, and put them into the prequels. But it will always feel more like a sequel than something that came before.

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Harmy said:

Does Disney now own the Indiana Jones franchise as well or does Paramount own those rights?

Yep they have Indy, I imagine they have Willow too which could be fun for Disney.

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One thing's for sure, EpVII needs to be smaller for many reasons. I think they should slowly build up in size to Episode IX, which, in my opinion, should be the largest movie ever. I'm kind of hoping this because I think it should be everything that ROTJ failed to be. 

Speaking of being what ROTJ failed to be, I think EpIX should have an ambiguous ending. I would have loved to have seen Luke walking into the sunset, destination unclear. So have Luke's son do just that. I think it would be awesome.

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Michael Arndt (Little Miss Sunshine, Toy Story 3) is writing the screenplay...is this good?

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

Michael Arndt (Little Miss Sunshine, Toy Story 3) is writing the screenplay...is this good?

Oh wow. Confirmed... here we go, I guess.

I've never seen any of his work, and his career has been short so far. But I have heard good things about the movies he's done.

I dunno. I guess I'm in the same boat as before where I can't really say if it's good or bad yet, haha. Not too excited about the meetings with Lucas so far, but we'll see.

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DominicCobb said:

Speaking of being what ROTJ failed to be, I think EpIX should have an ambiguous ending. I would have loved to have seen Luke walking into the sunset, destination unclear. So have Luke's son do just that. I think it would be awesome.

So did Gary Kurtz. ;)

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georgec said:

DominicCobb said:

Speaking of being what ROTJ failed to be, I think EpIX should have an ambiguous ending. I would have loved to have seen Luke walking into the sunset, destination unclear. So have Luke's son do just that. I think it would be awesome.

So did Gary Kurtz. ;)

I need to make a "Kurtz 2015" shirt with something Star Warsy as a logo...

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Tyrphanax said:

Mrebo said:

Michael Arndt (Little Miss Sunshine, Toy Story 3) is writing the screenplay...is this good?

Oh wow. Confirmed... here we go, I guess.

I've never seen any of his work, and his career has been short so far. But I have heard good things about the movies he's done.

I dunno. I guess I'm in the same boat as before where I can't really say if it's good or bad yet, haha. Not too excited about the meetings with Lucas so far, but we'll see.

So, Toy Story 3 was awesome, probably one of the best Pixar films ever, and that's saying a lot - and mostly it was because of the script/story.

Now, I'd not seen Little Miss Sunshine until today, because I always kind of thought it was about a little girl beauty contest and I find those exceedingly creepy but hearing the news that the same screenwriter was going to write the new Star Wars, I decided to watch it... and it was TOTALLY FUCKING AMAZING!!! Wow!!!

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Easterhay said:

Why no Sith Ladies?

That surprises me as well... especially when taking Lucas' divorce into consideration ;-)

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I'm sure you all were wondering what Sluggo's thoughts were on all this mess.  The whole thing happened so fast that it has been tough to wrap my brain around it.

I think the films will be good but I don't know if they will be great.  The toughest thing for me to get behind is the fact that ROTJ brought everything together in a nice, hurried and suffocating package.  To quote 3PO, "This is suicide, there is no where to go."  The rushed ending of Episode III didn't leave any room to grow either.  If they had even hinted at something else in the Universe in III, they could have gone with something.  But as it is... is anyone's guess.  I'm sure they can write a good story, amazing movies are written all the time.  I don't know if I care at this point.  I'm going to go see it, but right now, that is because I am interested in seeing what others can do with the franchise.  They certainly will be much better films that the prequels.  

The rumors are flying of getting Fisher, Ford and Hamill back together.  The old "Together again, huh." "Wouldn't miss it" ad campaign will write itself.  But do they have the chops to do it right?  Is the old chemistry still there?  I don't want to be skeptical IF these films will reunite our favorite threesome, but I don't know.

 

And will we get a beautiful release of the OUT in hi-def blu-ray?  Of course we will.  Why not?  Disney is savvy enough to know how to do it right.  Now that the Mouse is now "The Maker", the so called 'original vision' for the Special Editions etc are now rather moot.  The Mouse can spin it anyway that he likes.  

 

Lastly, and this is the most exciting possibility for me (although it is a minute one) is the idea of rebooting the prequel trilogy.  C'mon Disney, take a page from your other adopted son Marvel.  Hulk, remember that?  Of course you don't.  Nobody does.  It was rebooted before Banner had a chance to go buy purple stretchy pants.  Spiderman?  Yup, same thing.  Do the right thing, Disney.  Reboot the prequels to actually match the classic trilogy and to give this sequel trilogy some roots.

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Sluggo said:

...........Lastly, and this is the most exciting possibility for me (although it is a minute one) is the idea of rebooting the prequel trilogy.  C'mon Disney, take a page from your other adopted son Marvel.  Hulk, remember that?  Of course you don't.  Nobody does.  It was rebooted before Banner had a chance to go buy purple stretchy pants.  Spiderman?  Yup, same thing.  Do the right thing, Disney.  Reboot the prequels to actually match the classic trilogy and to give this sequel trilogy some roots.

Yeah THAT would be amazing, .....but would be a long way off.....sigh

It's just a pity they didn't just make sequels instead of those awful Prequel films

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Sluggo said:

...Lastly, and this is the most exciting possibility for me (although it is a minute one) is the idea of rebooting the prequel trilogy.  C'mon Disney, take a page from your other adopted son Marvel.  Hulk, remember that?  Of course you don't.  Nobody does.  It was rebooted before Banner had a chance to go buy purple stretchy pants.  Spiderman?  Yup, same thing.  Do the right thing, Disney.  Reboot the prequels to actually match the classic trilogy and to give this sequel trilogy some roots.

Be careful what you wish for, they may decide to reboot the OT as well.  I doubt it, but I was surprised that they rebooted Spiderman so soon, so?

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My hopes for VII just skyrocketed.

Toy Story 3? Little Miss Sunshine? Both incredible films that are quite funny when appropriate and do a great job at dicking with your heart strings.

The prequels lacked good writing and respect for the OT above all else in my opinion, so I think we're off on the right foot!

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The prequels should've been done right the first time. I think a lot of us - myself included - would've loved for other writers and directors to have handled the prequels, but the time for that is long past.

I'll be happy if this Disney deal simply leads to a renewed appreciation of the OOT.