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Bobocop said:

The New Adventures of Old Luke

(featuring Anakin and Obi-Wan as his loveable bickering Jedi ghost sidekicks)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_rc4ltH27A

Imrahil said:

I'd rather they didn't use the original characters at all, and set it some other time completely.

They could set it hundreds of years later and still have Luke Skywalker in it... Yoda was 900 years old.

NeverarGreat said:

xhonzi said:

NeverarGreat said:

mfastx said:

I'd like to see them tie in to the originals and even the prequels in some ways.  Like for example take a little something from a few of the films and incorporate it somehow.  I hope it doesn't end up like a complete unrelated trilogy. 

This goes back to the Trilogy of Trilogies idea, where the OT is a microcosm of the larger story, a fractal if you like. If you consider that episode 5 is to 4 and 6 as the OT is to the prequel and sequel trilogies, then you can come to some interesting conclusions.

For example: Episodes 4 and 6 had the Death Star, a unique and awe inspiring machination of the villains, which is only briefly mentioned in Empire. So if you extrapolate that idea to the 3 trilogies, you can have a huge plot structure repeated in the first and third trilogies that was only mentioned in the OT (The clone wars comes to mind). Of course, it doesn't have to be that, it should just be something that makes sense and implies a final trilogy to complete the story.

Take it to the 3 act structure thread! 

There is such a thread?

The reason that I suggest a trilogy of trilogies is because it seems like the OT doesn't really end in a satisfactory manner if the prequels are taken into account. Heck, don't take my word for it; Lucas apparently thought so too. Why else would he put in an inexplicable montage of celebration from across the galaxy? ROTJ ended well for a trilogy. However, I don't think it really holds up as the end of a six part saga.

As for having three acts, I suppose you could say that. Although it doesn't need to have three acts, three is the socially accepted number for a movie series to feel complete. It's a cultural peculiarity, but a persistent one.

 Heaven knows I've started several.  Try this: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Original-Trilogy-Times-Chart/post/412779/#TopicPost412779 and this: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Act-Breaks/topic/11489/page/1/ though it feels like I'm missing one or two.

Ah, here's this one: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/A-New-Hope-Trading-on-Promises-or-Trailer-for-the-SW-Universe/topic/11379/ though I think I followed up on that one more somewhere else... perhaps it's in one of the other threads I just posted.

And I guess it's altogether possible I've never posted my extensive thoughts on trilogies as macro-three act structure and how then a trilogy of trilogies would really fascinate me as mega-three-act-structure.

It makes sense that there would still be an ongoing fight with Imperial remnant forces (who aren't ready to just toss down their weapons because the rebels say so) after the destruction of the second Death Star, as they they try to maintain the Empire and retain control over sectors where they have a solid grasp. The Thrawn stuff would be silly, Imperial forces aren't ever going to answer to an alien, would make no sense at all, so it's good they are going with an original story line and not EU. The Empire has many competent officers that would be eager to crush any effort to fully re-establish the Republic.

There are lots of possibilities, and certainly Luke would be working on rebuilding the Jedi Order, and it would be cool if he appeared (but only if it's Hamill). :)

xhonzi said:

 Heaven knows I've started several.  Try this: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Original-Trilogy-Times-Chart/post/412779/#TopicPost412779 and this: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Act-Breaks/topic/11489/page/1/ though it feels like I'm missing one or two.

 

Ah, here's this one: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/A-New-Hope-Trading-on-Promises-or-Trailer-for-the-SW-Universe/topic/11379/ though I think I followed up on that one more somewhere else... perhaps it's in one of the other threads I just posted.

And I guess it's altogether possible I've never posted my extensive thoughts on trilogies as macro-three act structure and how then a trilogy of trilogies would really fascinate me as mega-three-act-structure.

Thanks xhonzi. My take on the three act structure, at least as it relates to A New Hope, is character driven. The first act establishes the world, and demands a decision from Luke. Will he choose to become a Jedi? So Act 1 ends when Luke decides to go to Alderaan and become a Jedi. Act 2 makes the hero's task seem impossible. Alderaan is destroyed, they are trapped on the Death Star, and finally Obi-wan is killed. When Luke sits on the Falcon in sorrow, dreams of becoming a Jedi shattered, goal seemingly lost, this signals the end of Act 2. Act 3 is the resolution to this seemingly impossible goal: Obi-wan can communicate with him through the Force. He begins to believe in Obi-wan's voice, and in himself.

There can be more acts in a movie or series of movies than just 3. Often, characters have many more important character decisions and developments than just these, so you could divide a movie into many smaller acts, but 3 is a good starting point.

Thanks for the links!

TV's Frink said:

timdiggerm said:

sean wookie said:

I still say I want Stanley Kubrick to direct.

He's only had 13 years to prepare since his last film. Probably not enough time.

I can't tell if you guys are serious.

If Kubrick weren't dead, my statement would be accurate.

Dunedain said:

It makes sense that there would still be an ongoing fight with Imperial remnant forces (who aren't ready to just toss down their weapons because the rebels say so) after the destruction of the second Death Star, as they they try to maintain the Empire and retain control over sectors where they have a solid grasp. The Thrawn stuff would be silly, Imperial forces aren't ever going to answer to an alien, would make no sense at all, so it's good they are going with an original story line and not EU. The Empire has many competent officers that would be eager to crush any effort to fully re-establish the Republic.

There are lots of possibilities, and certainly Luke would be working on rebuilding the Jedi Order, and it would be cool if he appeared (but only if it's Hamill). :)

Imperial remnant? While I don't know how many ships are in the Imperial fleet, nor how many planets they control, a galaxy is a pretty big place. If anything, the rebel victory at Endor could have been a victory for the Empire, as the Emperor would probably have had an heir to the throne, an even more powerful offspring of the Emperor just waiting for the right moment to take power. Remember, the entire rebel fleet launched that attack on the Death Star. I can't imagine the Empire would just sit there twiddling its thumbs waiting for the rebels to escape. Also, the Emperor states outright that the Empire knows all about the rebel ship movements and strategy. It's how he set the trap.

I can definitely see an Imperial dynasty in power in the sequels, with the rebels all but defeated.

I don't think the Emperor ever had any plans on sharing or giving up power. I'd say the closest thing he had to an heir was Vader, who he seems to view more as a pet, like a guard dog.

I'd love to see Piett pick up the reigns, but that's not an option. He was my favourite minor character.

Luca$ brought in as a consultant?  I dont agree with this at all and I hope whoever takes the SW reins takes his input with the finest of grains of salt and instead opt to listen to REAL talent.  The creative group and director need to consult with people associated with the OOT and with people who know what made SW huge in the first place.  George can park the cars.

If the new trilogy does include Luke and Leia, there's the chance that Leia will be a jedi master(Luke makes her jedi potential known in ROTJ)and if thats the case, there wont be any jacen, jaden or anikan due to the jedi rules of attachment as noted in AOTC.  Hopefully whoever decides to take the helm will actually pay attention to movie canon.  Just a thought

NeverarGreat: Well, the rebels were celebrating on Endor, so obviously the Imperial fleet must have withdrawn after the battle. And who can blame them, they must have been reeling from the loss of the second Death Star, and the death of the Emperor and Vader. But after the initial shock wore off, they would be looking for revenge and would still have strong control over many systems, even factoring in any rebellions that broke out on some worlds that were inspired by the Alliance victory at Endor.

On the other hand, no doubt more would be willing to aid the Rebellion after the news of this spread, and so they could probably replenish their fleet in a fairly short time. But in any case the Rebels would still have a hard fight ahead against Imperial forces bent on maintaining the Empire with their very large armies and the mighty Imperial fleet. And the Imperial forces certainly have many fine and capable officers and governors to lead their men. I used the term remnant only in the sense of that they apparently will no longer have complete official state control over the entire Empire. But it would still be very tough going for the Rebels in many sectors, and they could still be on the verge of defeat if they let themselves get caught in a major battle with the Imperial fleet.

So this all means there are many possibilities in the story for Episode VII, lots of intrigue and military strategy and tactics and cool stuff like that. Almost makes me tempted to be optimistic about what might come in the story. As long as they keep the Imperial forces as they have always been and don't try to turn it into some fake touchy feely pc joke, I think that part of the story at least will be ok. :)

But anyway, after the Emperor's stranglehold on the galaxy, his sudden absense would leave a power vacuum, with the remnants of the Empire likely splitting into factions. (like the scattering in Dune after Leto II's demise)

Competing Imperial groups fighting amongst themselves while also trying to undermine the New Republic and prevent the 'return of the jedi' would make for a good story with multiple villains.

That's what I think, anyway

What Bobocop suggests sounds a lot like the back story hinted at in Dark Empire or Crimson Empire both Dark Horse titles.

The del rey books also had a divided empire.  One with Good Imperial reformists like Palleon and the other the moffs who wanted a return to the palpatine days.

I mean really is there anything that they have not done or thought of in star wars fiction.

They did the future with Legacy and The ancient past with Birth of the Jedi.

I don't think any era has not been significantly mapped out at least in the EU that is.  But if you ignore all the EU except what has been adopted into the canon film series you have a lot of room for story development.

That means things like the cartoons, comics, video games even the higher canon clone wars cartoon don't exist.  Only the six films.

timdiggerm said:

I doubt they'd have anything for Carrie Fischer to do.

Quite on the contrary. Luke as a Master - yes, but also with Leia as a mature politician. No longer a feisty princess, but somebody like Angela Merk... um, I mean: Mon Mothma :D

There's no place for Han Solo: when you get married (+kids?) it's too late to be a space vagabond, not to mention his age. Maybe he really should be only reminded as a hero of the new Republic who died in some battle. Chewie with him.

But hey, if they had cut Mon Mothma from the E3, don't expect anything serious from E7.

The biggest question is: who'll be the new threat? Yet another Sith popping up like a devil from a box? Boring! Even badder aliens? Not very starwarsish! At any rate the plot will be like second-rate EU stuff.

Star Wars story ended with Episode 6. No sequel trilogy should ever be made. If you liked stuff like Zahn's books, similar story could be told via live-action mini-series, the movies were always about our heroes, who got so old they'd retired by now.

And then Luke's son will turn into a Hutt?