Wow. Seems like everyone came out of the woodwork for this. I just wanna say, I think this is good. As pointed out on the Incomparable podcast: The movies may be worse, but we will never be more disappointed.
I think we've all emotionally distanced ourselves from anything not OT so the worst that could happen is there's another bad Star wars movie, but there's a possibility that we can get another Great Star Wars movie.
Troyig88 said:
I hope Disney doesn't kill off the major three.
I wouldn't mind losing one of them if it made sense.
There is no drama if the characters are ring fenced.
As for tropes being sci-fi cliches, this is Star Wars, even the good bits are old hat worn well, nobody watches Star Wars for new themes.
AntcuFaalb said:
Adium said:
2020, my friends. Lets just wait it out.
7+ years?!
But I was going to Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!
Well done, well done.
Alexrd said:
Bingowings said:
I liked the Vong.
The idea of living beings that are not connected to the Force is ignoring the most basic "rules" of Star Wars. The idea of an enemy coming from another galaxy opens a whole can of worms and is too far-fetched for me to accept. So is living spaceships and the like.
That's why I don't like most of the EU and worry about Lucas absence. Most of EU authors appear to not understand Star Wars. It's like a bunch of wild fan ideas materialized. Fortunately Lucas spent some time teaching people like Filoni, Gilroy and the like how Star Wars works and how to do it right.
I agree wholeheartedly with all of this.
The blue elephant in the room.
Bingowings said:
Alexrd said:
Bingowings said:
I liked the Vong.
The idea of living beings that are not connected to the Force is ignoring the most basic "rules" of Star Wars. The idea of an enemy coming from another galaxy opens a whole can of worms and is too far-fetched for me to accept. So is living spaceships and the like.
I'd stay away from most of the classics of science fiction and space opera if I were you then.
Nonsense. Just because you liked the idea doesn't mean it's prevalent in "most of the classics of science fiction and space opera."
I personally hated the idea of the Vong because it was basically done in GI Joe. It was stupid then, and doubly stupid in Star Wars.
Mike O said:
Mavimao said:
Mike O said:
Fox is retaining the rights to the earlier films, so nothing new except new stuff not to buy. Unless this'll get the OOT out, which it won't, let's move along. Basically it means we'll be seeing more SW stuff than ever, but who cares? The OOT is still doomed.
I don't see at all how this is doomed. Perhaps Disney owns the future, but Fox must know that they control what people have been craving... The original trilogy. That is a gold mine. Now that George is pretty much out of the picture, I can't see why Fox wouldn't want to jump in and cash in on this valuable asset.
The only chance we had was that maybe the cash flow from stuff like RED TAILS would dry up, now they have an unlimited revenue source and no reason to release the OOT ever again. If Lucas contractually obligated them to make sure it never comes out again, I'd hardly be surprised. The BR sales are the final nail in the coffin, no one cares about the OOT except a passionate minority. With all of the new revenue, why on earth would the OOT be a valuable asset?
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
That's like saying "with all the money they make at the box office ($billion+) why bother making toys?"
Organic ships and intergalactic invasions are prevalent in most of the classics of science fiction and space opera.
They just are.
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zombie84 said:
That's like saying "with all the money they make at the box office ($billion+) why bother making toys?"
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Bingowings said:
Alexrd said:
Bingowings said:
I liked the Vong.
The idea of living beings that are not connected to the Force is ignoring the most basic "rules" of Star Wars. The idea of an enemy coming from another galaxy opens a whole can of worms and is too far-fetched for me to accept. So is living spaceships and the like.
I'd stay away from most of the classics of science fiction and space opera if I were you then.
Can't see the correlation.
AntcuFaalb said:
yoda-sama said:
Oldfan said:
yoda-sama said:
Perhaps originaltrilogy.com should consider becoming a private, member's only site to help protect it from the eye and ire of Disney. Lucasfilm was good enough to fan edits, but Disney probably won't so much... What are everyone's thoughts on this?
Bad idea. It will just draw more attention and make it look like we have something to hide. We have not needed to hide up until now. To do so now would be a bad idea. Do you really believe private sites can't be infiltrated?
It is not that I believe private sites cannot be infiltrated, but having a disclaimer that must be read and agreed to before gaining entry could help against someone building a case so easily. It is just a thought, and others have had good points that this site doesn't actually link to anything questionable...
I agree with you half-way. That is, I think this website should stay public, but some of the more high-profile projects should follow -1s model of establishing a private invite-only website to share the nitty-gritty details and hype prior to release.
That's basically what I wanted to get at, just wasn't sure if this site being private or moving detailed discussion to a different private site would be best. So, ignoring my incomplete ideas from before, what do people think about AntcuFaalb's take on privacy?
I haven't followed EU since the late 90s. I barely followed it, then. Just a few books, some comics, and a couple games. So, I can't add much to this debate.
However, I'm guessing that the new trilogy will be a springboard for a sort of revamped, or rebooted, EU. Maybe some PT/OT characters show up in cameos or get brief mentions, but this seems like it's going to be relaunching an entire new slate of characters for the saga. A new universe within the universe.
I think Lucas wants to ensure that, while he's handing off the creative steering wheel to others, all the new content fits in with what he'd envision. The past EU stuff doesn't get thrown out, but I think it's going to be like the Star Trek film reboot. I'm not saying it's going to be an alternate universe. I just think that there won't be too much crossover, if any, between EU stuff before ~2015, and EU stuff after ~2015.
Not sure if it makes sense what I'm trying to convey.
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
This seems like better and better news the more I think about it.
With so many Star Wars movies going to be made (with different directors), eventually we're going to get another one that's really, really good.
I wish that I could just wish my feelings away...but I can't. Wishful wishing can only lead to wishes wished for in futile wishfulness, which is not what I wish to wish for.
laserdisc said:
When you say that you wouldnt be able to accept anyone else playing han,luke,leia can i remind you that youre probably like me: OLD
Do you think Disney cares about that demographic? Seriously? Its nothing too do with us anymore. It's basically a reboot for the next generation of kids. We've been told goodbye as an audience.
Unfortunately I feel you're correct. Am I old? No. Am I old according to the demographic they aim the Clone Wars cgi show to? Yep. Like you said, Lucas has long abandoned the original fans in favor of the younger demographic, so they can sell more new toys and action figures. There's always hope that Disney will see things differently, but it's highly unlikely, given how much Disney is into marketing and merchandising their own crap.
Chilmayka said:
They won't be able to maintain the aesthetics of the OT for one good reason.
It was plagiarized from Chris Foss' SF book covers:
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2195
I'm rather stunned at how much that cover looks like the Probot. Wow. I'm a huge Chris Foss fan by the way. A new art book came out last year I believe with a collection of all of his works. It's amazing.
New interview with Lucas biographer:
http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/star-wars-7-8-and-9-are-most-exciting-says-george-lucas-biographer-exclusive-63006
While researching his book, Dale Pollock, author of the unauthorized Lucas biography, “Skywalking: The Life And Films Of George Lucas,” was allowed to read the outlines to the 12 stories written by the filmmaker but was required to sign a confidentiality agreement.
“The three most exciting stories were 7, 8 and 9. They had propulsive action, really interesting new worlds, new characters. I remember thinking, ‘I want to see these 3 movies.’”
The next in the series, he said, involve Luke Skywalker in his 30s and 40s, but Lucas was unlikely to turn to Mark Hamill, who played Luke in the original but whose performance left the director dissatisfied.
Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000
Chilmayka said:
Wow. People should be aware that Chris Foss was doing this stuff before the original Star Wars.
nightstalkerpoet said:
New interview with Lucas biographer:
http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/star-wars-7-8-and-9-are-most-exciting-says-george-lucas-biographer-exclusive-63006
While researching his book, Dale Pollock, author of the unauthorized Lucas biography, “Skywalking: The Life And Films Of George Lucas,” was allowed to read the outlines to the 12 stories written by the filmmaker but was required to sign a confidentiality agreement.
“The three most exciting stories were 7, 8 and 9. They had propulsive action, really interesting new worlds, new characters. I remember thinking, ‘I want to see these 3 movies.’”
The next in the series, he said, involve Luke Skywalker in his 30s and 40s, but Lucas was unlikely to turn to Mark Hamill, who played Luke in the original but whose performance left the director dissatisfied.
Well, this nullifies my previous post.
Also, LOL @ the dig at Hamill. I think his performance in the OT is solid, and his character evolves in the films with the help of Hamill's work.
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
Oldfan said:
Unfortunately I feel you're correct. Am I old? No. Am I old according to the demographic they aim the Clone Wars cgi show to? Yep. Like you said, Lucas has long abandoned the original fans in favor of the younger demographic, so they can sell more new toys and action figures.
I seem to recall a movie that spun off tons of kid toys, costumes, cartoons, breakfast cereals, theme park rides, and comics and more toys. It had a cute beeping robot. a fun monkey man that was cool but totally superfluous to the plot in all ways, a charmingly chaste love triangle, only one up close death that was no only bloodless, but bodiless. That movie was called "Star Wars."
In "The Clone Wars" I've seen an insane mutilated cyborg living a tortured existence on a hell planet of endless burning garbage, the difficulties of being a regular soldier trying to survive, slave soldiers serving under racist commanders, including being ordered to murder their own friends, and a passionate forbidden marriage kept secret.
I'm not sure the demographics are as "old" or "young" as you simplify them.
xhonzi said:
TheBoost said:
I remain mostly optimistic.
- Worst case scenario, anything Disney makes is poor to mediocre. So are most movies. I'd rather watch a mediocre Star Wars movie than "Battleship."
I'm not disagreeing with you... but have you seen Battleship?
Oh, and welcome back! TheSluggo has missed you.
Battleship gets a lot of criticism, but I think a lot of it is by those who haven't seen it. I was very impressed with it, and I think the story is capable of going deeper than many think, depending on how you look at it (hint: the invaders are not the bad guys - just look at how everything in the film develops and then decide who are the bad guys).
If Episodes 7, 8, and 9 are good, it won't be because of the original trilogy, or the prequels. Those stories have been told. It won't be because they interweave themselves with the Expanded Universe. It won't even be because they are part of the Star Wars universe itself. It will be because at their core, they are stories worth telling. So really, what the creators and viewers need to ask is "would this story be good if it didn't have Star Wars on the poster?"
For me, there was only one great story worth telling in Star Wars, and that was told 30 years ago. I believe that more great stories can be told in the Star Wars universe, but I doubt that Disney will be the ones to tell them.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
Chewie superfluous to the plot? It would have been a lot harder to walk into that detention block and succeed without the ruse of a "prisoner transfer."
Where were you in '77?
nightstalkerpoet said:
New interview with Lucas biographer:
http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/star-wars-7-8-and-9-are-most-exciting-says-george-lucas-biographer-exclusive-63006
...Lucas was unlikely to turn to Mark Hamill, who played Luke in the original but whose performance left the director dissatisfied.
Because Lucas knows so much about quality acting and which actors are capable of it?
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
nightstalkerpoet said:
New interview with Lucas biographer:
http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/star-wars-7-8-and-9-are-most-exciting-says-george-lucas-biographer-exclusive-63006
The next in the series, he said, involve Luke Skywalker in his 30s and 40s, but Lucas was unlikely to turn to Mark Hamill, who played Luke in the original but whose performance left the director dissatisfied.
Good thing Lucas went with better actors for his prequels.
Oldfan, looks like you and I are on the same page...
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
