jero32 said:
So I showed some friends. Got alot of "why not just upload the video directly?"
I said I'd ask. (did you answer this already? My memory can be kinda weird like that)
edit: and somehow I managed to pick the wrong thread. I don't know what it is with me lately.
what would be the point of uploading
the incomplete result, and having people
judge that, and come to the wrong
conclusions? you see how harsh people
are on finished projects.. (harmy,puggo, etc)
later
-1
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True, the people saying Harmy was releasing too many versions were kinda silly. (He's putting in MORE of his free time, why are people complaining?)
Well in that case, I'm certain there's no way I could obtain maybe a 2 minute clip in private to show friends and get them excited? *cough cough* /scumbag jero
Anyway keep up the great work! Colors look excellent. Also pass me the popcorn will ya? :D
jero32 said:
Well in that case, I'm certain there's no way I could obtain maybe a 2 minute clip in private to show friends and get them excited? :D
That's true - maybe the blog members only could get the previews sent via PM? :)
It was mostly a joke on my part, but that might actually not be a bad idea.
Don't feel like we're trying to force your hand or anything though. I'd rather you be comfortable for now and then get an awesome release later :D
We did get a really nice set of clips on the blog, but they're not color corrected all of the way, there's still lots of blue in it. It's just the first minute or so, right after the crawl ends.
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Where can I find this blog anyway?
I keep hearing about it.
jero32 said:
Where can I find this blog anyway?
I keep hearing about it.
closed it down earlier this year.
it's been archived, and we'll update the
video, and release it as a bonus for
downloading when done.
later
-1
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I can't wait for this to come out. Look at the richness of the colors. It looks like technicolor.
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
negative1, this is really looking nice! Kind of teaser-like, similar to what the studios used to put out many decades ago, to promote their up coming movies.
Can't wait to see the final product.
Thanks for all the hard work you are putting into this!
dlvh said:
negative1, this is really looking nice! Kind of teaser-like, similar to what the studios used to put out many decades ago, to promote their up coming movies.
Can't wait to see the final product.
Thanks for all the hard work you are putting into this!
thanks again everyone,
also it's a team effort, not just me... there are other people helping a lot!
some more points:
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1 for people that want samples, or haven't seen
it already... check out the bottom of the first post.
i re-uploaded the trailer, in streaming and downloadable.
the download is 1080p wmv, so that should give you
a good idea... it's from the original 1976 teaser
mixed in with our LPP, and our red print too..
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2 the color matches the technicolor in a lot of places,
but not all of them, you'll see that some scenes are
a lot darker due to the nature of the LPP.
remember - this first reel preview is a slightly
color corrected version, there is a slight faded element
to it, but that's about it.. you are seeing the natural
color as it is on the actual printe
3 some of the reels require very little work, except
for the heads and the tails..
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haven't you guys noticed anything interesting in
watching it?
does it feel like watching a film?
do you have an idea of what the uncropped picture
looks like?
do you think the noise, dirt and reel change marks
are too distracting? (because most of it is going
to be gone in the final version, except the reel
change marks)..
this is a good indicator of how the 'rawer' grindhouse
version (not the PLUS one) will be like... would/could you
watch the whole movie in this quality (720p/1080p)?
did you notice color differences in scenes, like the
r2d2 in the valley scene? or when c3po and r2d2
are shot out of the spaceship at the beginning..
do you notice the grain in the tatooine scenes?
what about the color shift that occurs in the
segments?
the original intro is made from original crawl,
1 lpp portion, and a second lpp portion for
the flyover at the very beginning, see that?
notice how some camera shots are really shaky?
of course, with my handheld shaky camera parts,
you might not be able to tell.. but there wasn't much
in stabilization going on.. so the final picture will be
more stable...
look at the filenames, and you'll see i have several
takes of each of the reels, downconverts, some with
sound, some without....
there's a lot going on in those clips..
you need to UNLEARN....
later
-1
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I would rather watch these shaky, compressed, blown-out video previews than any other home release. That might sound ridiculous but the rush I felt watching these clips far outweighs any other viewing experience I've had (outside of seeing it in it's original theatrical run). The colour in the canyon shots impressed me the most. These previews recall an actual experience rather than an imagined one which would account for the feeling of utter joy when viewing them. Everthing just feels right... because it is, I guess. This is Star Wars exactly as it was.
negative1 said:
do you think the noise, dirt and reel change marks
are too distracting?
No. The GOUT smearing I find distracting, but dirt and scratches (as long as they aren't too excessive) are just the nature of the beast. It's like pops and clicks on a vinyl record, or RF interference on your Atari 2600.
I don't know what "noise" you're talking about. If you mean film grain, it would be a crime to remove it. Even grain during composite shots, trying to take that out I think would just be too destructive, and would make the film feel more lifeless, like the 2004s.
I go to the theatre a lot, so I'm used to seeing "cigarette burns" on films.
Having said all that, I don't mind too much of the cleanup you guys are doing, especially all the scratches that are all over Empire. When you've got the green lines going down for a whole reel or whatever, that does get pretty distracting awfully quick. I just hope the method you're using doesn't take too much time and energy, or doesn't remove things that it shouldn't be. Also, the stabilization/de-warping filters are nice.
negative1 said:
would/could you
watch the whole movie in this quality (720p/1080p)?
I could, as long as it had the color correction. I don't think I'd enjoy it as much if it was blue tinted with certain scenes all faded red spliced in.
negative1 said:
notice how some camera shots are really shaky?
If you mean the shot of R2 in the canyon, I didn't know they "fixed" that in the SEs.
negative1 said:
you need to UNLEARN....
I think I've seen the SEs maybe three times total, so there's not much for me to unlearn =) With all these great new releases out lately, I think I've forgotten most of the SE changes already.
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Asaki said:
If you mean the shot of R2 in the canyon, I didn't know they "fixed" that in the SEs.
They didn't, and it's in no need of fixing either as it is part of the original photography, it's the way it was filmed, it's supposed to give you an unsettling feeling, it's sort of a point of view shot from the Jawas ala slasher films. But it is also shot that way so that we experience it from Artoo's point of view as well when the rocks are falling from the cliff etc. It's simple but brilliantly shot.
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
It's one of the most memorable sequences in the film for me. Watching it as a kid it was quite creepy. The camera movement is very effective at creating tension and a sense of foreboding.
msycamore said:
Asaki said:
If you mean the shot of R2 in the canyon, I didn't know they "fixed" that in the SEs.
They didn't, and it's in no need of fixing either as it is part of the original photography, it's the way it was filmed, it's supposed to give you an unsettling feeling, it's sort of a point of view shot from the Jawas ala slasher films. But it is also shot that way so that we experience it from Artoo's point of view as well when the rocks are falling from the cliff etc. It's simple but brilliantly shot.
ok,
that's fine,
i just think that shot seems really shaky,
and distracts from the actual action of the scene.
i keep wanting the cameraman to pay attention
to what he is shooting!
later
-1
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Well, they didn't quite have steadycams back then =)
IIRC, Halloween had a sort of "prototype" version of one, for that intro POV sequence.
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As said, some shaky camera movements are intentional... especially in that scene, as mentioned, it brings tension and fear of what's lurking in the shadows.
Steadying of the scenes in general is a good thing, as long as it doesn't take away from intentional shakes and rapid movement of the camera - designed to evoke certain emotional responses from the viewer.
This is one damn exciting project, to be honest.
Filmmaking 101 really ;)
Oh, please don't remove the reel change marks.
bttfbrasilfan said:
Oh, please don't remove the reel change marks.
nope,
mentioned it earlier,
they are still going to be there.
later
-1
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Hello there, been lurking for a while, so I decide to join and post. I've been excited about a proper HD remaster of the original star wars trilogy ever since I got my first HDTV and saw just how beautiful HD content can look. I remember a few years back being all excited about Wookiegroomer's work. I much enjoy his work that was until I found out my copy of episode V became corrupt somehow and despite all my efforts I couldn't reacquire it. Those efforts though led me to this forum where at that time nobody else's work seemed to rival that of Wookiegroomer's. So I just moved on. Then I found out Star Wars would be getting a Blu-Ray release, unfortunately those releases would be altered like crazy. So I came back here hoping someone might take those Blu-Rays keep the good lossless audio and just undo all the bad things Lucas had done to the films. Nobody was doing this however. More recently though I discovered this work-in-progress and am now excited again.
Everything I've read in this thread and the original thread all has me eagerly anticipating the release. I do have a couple questions though and if these are better suited for the other thread we can move the discussion there. Before I get to my questions though I just want to add that Wookiegroomer's work excited me because his work was the first serious full (1080p) HD release of all 6 Star Wars movies. Plus his work tried to make the movies look and be more like the originals. Also, then the Blu-Ray releases excited me a little because I thought maybe then we could get HD originals NOW with lossless audio (mostly). Point is I'm big on image quality and having good sound.
So my questions are as follows. In the OP you say you'll be doing 25GB (mkv and burnable to Blu-Ray) releases but given that most commercial Blu-Ray releases today use 50GB discs is there any chance you might reconsider you position and go with a nice high quality release that would be suited for a 50GB Blu-Ray disc? Other question is in regards to the audio. Will it be lossless (and lpcm would be fine if using TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio isn't an option), that is if it can even be lossless? I know Dolby Digital is kind of a go to standard for sound but I just think if you're going to go the extra mile in terms of image quality why not do so with the sound quality? I mean I know some people out there have really great sound systems so the better the sound can be the more I know those kind of people as well as everyone else will be more than satisfied.
That's all I have for now. Oh and by the way I did check out that 1080p trailer you made. It is a little rough but I definitely love what I am seeing to so far.
DaFees said:
So I came back here hoping someone might take those Blu-Rays keep the good lossless audio and just undo all the bad things Lucas had done to the films. Nobody was doing this however. More recently though I discovered this work-in-progress and am now excited again.
thanks for chiming in.. of course you want to
check out harmys deSpecialized v2/2.1 in HD (720p)
So my questions are as follows. In the OP you say you'll be doing 25GB (mkv and burnable to Blu-Ray) releases but given that most commercial Blu-Ray releases today use 50GB discs is there any chance you might reconsider you position and go with a nice high quality release that would be suited for a 50GB Blu-Ray disc?
we could do that, but for the given bitrate and 1080p,
25G is more than enough space. even with the audio tracks
and bonus trailer. also, we have to keep in mind space issues
for people. there's not that many out there that can get more
than the 9G for a dual layer DVD version... harmy's upcoming
bluray release will be interesting to watch and see how that
release goes...another thing is i don't even have a dual layer
bluray burner, and blanks are expensive, i don't think most
people will go that route either.. just getting the digital files
is fine, but where do you draw the line? we're speculating
about releasing the raw files, and you could downsize
those to whatever you want, but those file sizes are terabytes, and
very impractical...
Other question is in regards to the audio. Will it be lossless (and lpcm would be fine if using TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio isn't an option), that is if it can even be lossless? I know Dolby Digital is kind of a go to standard for sound but I just think if you're going to go the extra mile in terms of image quality why not do so with the sound quality? I mean I know some people out there have really great sound systems so the better the sound can be the more I know those kind of people as well as everyone else will be more than satisfied.
i don't know too much about the audio yet, but for the mono and 35mm
stereo versions, there's not a huge amount more you could push them too.
they'll be in as high quality as the source material allows.
That's all I have for now. Oh and by the way I did check out that 1080p trailer you made. It is a little rough but I definitely love what I am seeing to so far.
the trailer source of 35mm has some elements from the LPP, but
overall that will be in higher quality than the trailer... you can see select
screengrabs here:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/topic/9805/page/13/
thanks for the questions and comments..
later
-1
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@-1: I thank you for the reply. With regards to video bitrate and such I understand where you are coming from. I personally prefer higher bitrates but I understand if you must not push them too far to keep filesizes down. Also I can certainly understand if doing a 50GB version would more expensive like you said with the cost of blanks and needing a dual-layer burner. If nothing else I thought you might do a 25GB version burnable to Blu-Ray and then do a 50GB .mkv version for those that would just keep the file on their computer/server and would welcome the extra bitrate and such. Either way though I do understand you decision.
With regards to the audio my preference of lossless audio isn't so much about pushing the audio to be something more it's more about being all it can be. I mean look at music files. You have .flac files and .mp3 files. If you make a .flac rip of a CD you know that those files are going to sound about as good they can. However if you go with .mp3 you are compressing the audio and you might lose some of the highs and lows of the music, especially if don't use a high bitrate like 320kbps and rather something low like 128kpbs. My main point is that by using a lossless codec you are taking the raw source and while maintaining its quality you're losslessly compressing it to save space. Where as if you go with Dolby Digital you are compressing the raw source in such a way that it could cut out some of the finer points in the track, if you get what I am saying.
I mean I'm not sure what the raw format of the audio is and in fact I'm not even sure how you convert the audio from a 35mm film reel to a digital file. I would imagine though however you do it the resulting digital files are probably .wav. Once you are finished editing these raw .wav files (depending on which program you are using) you could easily save them as a lossless .flac file or whatever the format for TrueHD/DTS-HD Master Audio is.
One more thing, when you say you are considering uploading the raw files, what does that mean? Does that mean you'll upload the raw files as they were when you first scanned them in or as they would be after you've made all the edits and clean up and such?
Oh and last thing, I keep seeing the acronym GOUT, but I'm not entirely sure what it means. All I can gather without searching real hard is that GOUT is a standard of what these fan edits are in relation to the original unaltered theatricals, I think?
GOUT = George's Original Unaltered Trilogy - the 2006 bonus DVDs.
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
And for the record I'd like to give encoding a whack just for practice, just because the last DVD set I released (XP77 Beta) was a piece of junk and I'd like to make amends for it. xD
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)