Bingowings said:
The Two Doctors however had a proper story (written by Robert Holmes no less) which was about something, the interaction between the two was purely story based (most of the time the two incarnations are separated).
could you please explain what you mean by "purely story based"?
I assume its like "screwed the pooch". Or that he spoiled it for everyone else.Warbler said:
could someone please translate "queered the pitch" into American for me?
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Their interactions are rooted in the substance of the story rather than the other way round.
The story isn't just a means to get the Doctors interacting with each other.
They interact with each other because it's necessary for the progression of the story.
Dig?
doubleofive said:
I assume its like "screwed the pooch". Or that he spoiled it for everyone else.Warbler said:
could someone please translate "queered the pitch" into American for me?
On the nosey.
Bingowings said:
Their interactions are rooted in the substance of the story rather than the other way round.
The story isn't just a means to get the Doctors interacting with each other.
They interact with each other because it's necessary for the progression of the story.
Dig?
I guess, sort of. But I still personally like The Five Doctors and The Three Doctors. Yes they are a bit gimmicky, but they are fun. I find them appropriate ways of celebrating the anniversaries.
Randomly found "Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death" on YouTube. That was pretty funny!
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I've been watching Genesis of the Daleks recently (again!! Hey, it's my fave Tom Baker episode. Sue me.) and I had an idea for an outline of an episode/two-parter set way before GotD. It's pretty crappy...
Doctor Who
The Peace of the Kaleds /The War of the Thals
In this story, the Doctor and his companian are taken in the TARDIS to the far off past of the planet Skaro, before the creation of the Daleks and before the War between the Thals and the Kaleds. The planet is very lush and green (very earth-like) as this is before the large amount of radiation that was as a result of the Thousand year war between the Kaleds and the Thals. The Doctor, knowing of what is to come tries to escape but then later decides to ally himself with the Thals, knowing what the Kaleds will become. Both Societies are highly advanced, compared to what is shown in 'Genesis of the Daleks'.
However, he comes to realise that the Thals are war-mongering hostile race of people, whereas the Kaleds are peaceful cultured people. The Doctor comes to the realisation that due to the on going war between the Kaleds and the Thals, the Kaled society somehow mutated into a twisted police state. The Doctor laments this and pities the fate of the Kaleds.
The Doctor is asked by an ancestor to Davros to help with the peace talks that are going on with the Thals. The Kaleds and the Thals currently exist in a type of Cold War. The both live together in realitive peace. Whilst the Doctor knows that the events laid out are part of a foregone conclusion, he agrees to help the Kaleds. His companion, meanwhile see how the Doctor is upset by the fates of the Kaleds, tries to change history.
However in the act of trying to stop the war between the Kaleds and the Thals, the companion ends up causing it. It is due to the presence of The Doctor and his companion that the Thousand year War between the Kaleds and the Thals occurs. The Doctor and his companion are eventually forced to leave, but not before a Kaled delivers a small speech that give the Doctor hope for the Kaleds, and indeed the Daleks' Future.
Like I said, pretty crappy.
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The Doctor would already know this as originally the Thals were the warrior race and the Kaleds were the scientist race.
The Thals went through horrible mutations and came out of the other side as peace loving bleach blondes, the Kaleds or Dals (depending on which strand of retconned universe you pick up) used technology to survive and their war hardened xenophobia survived with them.
It's all in the first Dalek story.
Yeah I know. I just though it would be interesting if it turned out that The Doctor was the reason why the Kaleds and Thals started warring, so it's all essentially his fault that the Kaleds eventually become the daleks.
It could be revealed later that the planet is skaro and that the kind people that the Doctor has been interacting with turn out to be the Kaleds.
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It is already his fault they became as much of an annoying menace in the first place.
He tells them about extraskaroian life, he demonstrates that time travel is possible, he tells Davros about every defeat they would have in the the future and he let's them know the Time Lords tried to wipe them out before they came into being.
Well done that Time Lord.
I rather enjoyed Asylum Of The Daleks (even if the perennially drunk better half hated it).
Not quite the nostalgic return of every model ever as advertised (I saw the special weapons Dalek and caught the back of a Dead Planet Dalek but in two obvious places where older models should have appeared they were sadly absent).
Not too keen on the latest variation on the robomen/Dalek agent theme.
The current motif seems to be things inside things inside things (which is flagged up during the opening sequence).
Seeing as the next episode is Dinosaurs On A Spaceship I would not be too surprised to find out the dinosaurs in question have little spaceships inside them.
Christmas has come early indeed.
I quite enjoyed it too, although JLC* might have had a lot to do with it.
Worried that Moffat might be running out of ideas - how many times is it now we have had invisible microscopic entities floating around doing nasty things to people?
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Moffat has no idea how to write women convincingly. Words like 'shallow' and 'obnoxious' don't even begin to cover it.
'Sexist pig' is how I would have to describe him on a personal level, given the types of asinine comments he makes in interviews. He's capable of brilliance, but quite honestly I'm utterly bored with his whole schtick. His Sherlock stuff is better, although even that I think has more to do with Mark Gatiss than him.
I'm not watching any more Doctor Who at all until he leaves the show and someone else takes over. It used to be an entertaining diversion, but now it's just become a sad parody of itself, one that gets worse and worse with each passing year.
I don't see any difference between how he writes male and female characters.
Maybe he is a misanthrope but sexist pig?
Show your workings.
There's something about the way people talk in the new series that just gets on my nerves. I did quite like the new episode, even though I caught it half way through.
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Recording a guest spot tonight on a new Doctor Who podcast "Playing Doctor"
http://playingdoctorpodcast.com/
Should be fun.
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More fluffy fun this week but the sense of dread from the beginning of the previous run is sadly missing/missed.
Weird stuff happening with and in the titles (though a competent typographer wouldn't go a miss).
Very silly, but great fun.
Although it did give me some Fridge Logic issues from memories of other Silurian stories:
The Silurians went into underground hibernation when they spotted a body on collision course with the earth; this object became our moon. This would have happened long before the age of dinosaurs.
In another story, the Silurians had at one time invented a virus that infected apes, which they used to stop man's ancestors from stealing their crops. If they coexisted with mammals, this would be long after the age of dinosaurs.
So when did they manage to round up a few specimens to fire off in a spaceship?
This is most likely all explained away in the Doctor Who equivalent of Wookiepedia...
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Continuity in a show about a time traveler who can change history (containing other time travelers who can also change history) is naturally problematic.
We have seen a wide variety of Silurian biology and technology so it's possible that some of them experimented with cryonics, genetic manipulation and space travel around the time of the dinosaurs and periodically woke up deliberately to monitor the approach of the planetoid which would have caused disruption to other planets (like Mondas) which may have caused secondary hibernations.
The eponymous Silurians from their first story possessed a giant dinosaur like reptile, a globe depicting Pangaea and claimed to have vivisected hominids. This can only make sense if the hibernated several times.
The Silurians in The Hungry Earth return to sleep even though they don't strictly speaking have to and physically resemble the builders of the space ark.
Presumably various races of intelligent reptile (and the Mondasian humans and probably the Martians) all had different reactions to the disruption caused by the moon rolling into place.
During the RTD era planets popped in and out of the solar system with little or no effect and the moon did start to fall to Earth in one Sarah Jane Smith story but if in doubt blame the Time War.
I watched the first two episodes, can't say I'm impressed.
"SPOILERS"
Unnecessary fighting between the Williams-Ponds, which ends because they finally talked (why do TV couples never talk about things, just split up and wait till they're on the brink of death?). Of course the Doctor never needed the bracelet, where's the drama in that? Of course the girl was a Dalek, that was obvious.
Why are the Daleks chained up? If no one runs the Asylum, who put the chains on them? Why would they, since they break out of them at the slightest provocation? Are we no longer shocked that the Daleks have been extinct at least twice since the new series began? If this is the new race of Daleks which unceremoniously appeared during that WW2 episode, why do most of them look like The Cult of Skaro and only a couple of them are the (terribly stupid-looking) primary color ones? Why would the Daleks in the Asylum all remain in their armor if they didn't need to? Except for the leader Dalek, they act as if they're all robots. The nano things in the air make it so the eyestalks come out of their forehead. DALEKS ARE LITTLE KRANG BRAINS IN BATTLE ARMOR. I learned that in the first episode I'd ever seen with a Dalek ("Dalek"). Did Moffat forget the basic tenants of the MOST ICONIC VILLAIN? Are they really going to run with this not-remembering-the-Doctor thing? I bet the next time we see the Daleks, they'll be chasing the Doctor and no one will ever mention the girl who wiped their memories (was the shared intelligence new, I don't recall that before).
Then "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship". Love the classical title (also love how the DOCTOR WHO title changes with each episode). The Doctor is running around with Nefertiti for no reason and a guy who lives to do violence to innocent animals. Not two people I'd have imagined the Doctor wanting to hang out with EVER. Then he has 6 hours to save the earth (which he travels back to 2012 to pick up the Williams-Ponds in a hurry, I'll never understand how time limits affect a man with a TIME MACHINE), so he picks up everyone for no reason to go on a ship which he has no idea about, seemingly just to put the most people possible in danger. He proceeds to run around like an idiot, get Arthur Weasly (who was brilliant) shot, then manages to find a PRICE FOR AN EGYPTIAN QUEEN. I'm sorry, what? 90% of the time, everyone knows who the Doctor is. Hell, remember when all his enemies got together to trap him a box? Don't you think SOMEONE has a price on THIS incarnation's head? But no, the 3000 years dead queen has a value. Then the Doctor basically Die Hards the guy out and blows him up. Yippie kay yay.
And yes, from what little I know of the Silurians, the dinosaur ark doesn't make much sense, nor the fact that none of the species had gone extinct after a few millions years of floating in space on a spaceship powered by location shooting.
I can't wait to see with how much respect and love is put into the Old West With Borg episode. :-/
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^^^^^^^^^^^^SPOILERS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Things you might not have noticed and things I might be making up time.
The girl who was a Dalek may not have been a girl who was a Dalek.
I have my theories.
Solomon's computer not having a clue who the Doctor is doesn't sound like a dip in the database to me either.
The new paradigm Daleks didn't take offense at the outer casing of their near cousins but the blobs of impure hate within so why not keep the better looking shape?
I would have painted them so that the iDaleks were department heads but there is nothing wrong with those travel machines.
I liked the prime minister (he should be the lowest ranking Dalek of all naturally) I would have made him look like the TV21 Emperor Dalek :
It was nice to see an established and diverse Dalek civilisation remain intact at the end of the episode and not erased at the flick of a switch.
The haven't felt so tangible a culture since the Troughton telly years, the TV21 comics or the Big Finish audio series.
The chains (nanobots could make and maintain these).
The asylum exists as sentimental preservation of the beauty of the hatred of it's inmates.
If you had a race that worshipped lust they may have a perv asylum with velvet sheets and kinky toys etc.
The Daleks admire and nurture hatred so their 'intensive care' is to chain up the biggest losers and rub the Doctor's defeat in their eyestalks to stir up that blessed loathing (they should have been old style casings though).
At the very heart of the complex, chained in the lowest level of Dalek hell is a special case. Worse than insane, something so bad that only the Doctor can remove it (it should have been glass Dalek revisited though).
There wasn't enough options on this thing :
It would have been nice too to see the Dark Dimension Dalek as a fan took the time to actually make one:
Shared intelligence isn't exactly new.
The Daleks were once held in centuries of frustrating peace because their battle computers ran on logic as did the Movellan's (the Disco Robots with the silliest design flaw in the history of robotics).
Human Dalek agents aren't new either:
Adding nanogenes (last seen turning everyone into gasmask zombies) kind of makes sense to me.
Robomen and Ogrons would have really have made this the most Daleky Dalek story for decades.
Why wouldn't the Doctor have some adventures with Nefertiti and a big game hunter?
He has travelled with a bounty hunter, a knife throwing savage and a killer shape shifting robot, one previous owner, The Master.
The Dinosaurs were meant to be in cryonic freeze but some had got out when the Silurians were woken up by Peter Stringfellow.
It was fun in the sort of way children would enjoy (I can see kids getting all their toys out to play out this episode, pirates, robots, dinosaurs,) but it lacked that spooky woozy feeling that came from last years opening two parter.
The hint at violent rape, sex slavery and the bambismomosaurus scene felt a bit too heavy handed and if he could sonic the comedy robots off later why didn't he do it sooner?
doubleofive said:
Randomly found "Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death" on YouTube. That was pretty funny!
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Well it looks like this series arc has something to do with lightbulbs, or it could just be another Moffat red herring. But, so far, every episode has had something to do with lightbulbs either having to be changed or flickering;
Pond Life: The doctor is having to change to TARDIS roof bulb
Asylum of the Daleks: Lightbulbs flickering when the Dalek/ humans are near
Dinosaurs on a spaceship: Rory and his dad both changing lightbulbs
A Town called Mercy: again flickering lightbulbs.
I guess we'll find out if this has anything to do with the finale after next weeks episode
And it was good to see Biggs Darklighter in Doctor Who once again
adywan said:
And it was good to see Biggs Darklighter in Doctor Who once again
The last time we saw him was in The Mutants for those not in the know.
Eggs also seem to be a feature (loved the Mork and Mindy spaceship).
Once again a fun piece of fluff.
It did the Cowboys and Aliens thing better than the film did but it's still missing something.
How many times has he mentioned Christmas this series?