Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 327

timdiggerm said:

Monroville said:

I still think that you could just cut out Vader's arrival in the beginning of JEDI and just start with C3P0 and R2 walking up to Jabba's palace, and leave the reveal of the Death Star 2 when the Emperor arrives.  Vader's arrival to the DS2 adds nothing and is redundant, as we're reintroduced to the DS2 with the Emperor.

Disagree. Vader's arrival and conversation with Moff J sets up the ominous news that "The Emperor is coming here?!". The fear in J's voice, followed by his immediate, trembling resolve to redouble his efforts, tell the viewer a lot about the Emperor.

           Could we have it BOTH ways? Avoid the full exterior view? Could push the reveal back to the Emp or even later. I suppose the reb briefing would have to be quick and very general.

muddyknees2000 said:

fgqb#19nyj said:

Hi, guys. New member.

 

I love what Ady did with Star Wars, and I hope the same care to staying true with the original story is first on his list when he finishes the other OT movies. That being said, ROTJ needs more fixes than the previous films, but nothing more than minor tweaks here and there, mind you.

*RESPONSES IN CAPS*

1. Jabba slapping Threepio just looks too slow. A slight fast forward should fix that.

PERSONALLY ITS NEVER BOTHERED ME...HE HAS BULK BEHIND HIS SWING SO ITS BELIEVEABLE THAT IT WOULD KNOCK 3P0 DOWN...BUT I HAVE NO CLUE IF ADY HAS PLANS HERE...

*It just looked phony to me, that's all.*

2. Tortured droid's feet in one scene don't touch the hot brands. This should have been fixed in the Special Edition with a little cgi.

MY GUESS IS ADY WILL FIX THIS

*hope to god he does*

3. Lando's cross belt is flipped from scene to scene while he talks to Han about loaning the Falcon for the Death Star attack. Maybe the scenes can be flipped back into proper sequence.

ADY HAS A HISTORY OF CORRECTING FLIPPED SHOTS.

*the guy's a pro*

4. Luke's lightsaber is nowhere to be found on his belt while he's carrying Vader to a shuttle. Again, cgi quick fix.

AGAIN, NO IDEA OF ADY'S SPECIFIC PLAN HERE....BUT LUKE THROWS IT AWAY TO MAKE A POINT TO THE EMPEROR. IT SEEMS LOGICAL TO ME THAT HE WOULDN'T HAVE RETRIEVED IT IN THE HURRY TO GET HIS FATHER AND HIMSELF OFF THE DSII.

*he has it on him during Ewok celebration, which implies he did.*

5. Scene where storm troopers are attacked from behind by ewoks should be sped up slightly to make it seem like the little buggers are actually hurting them.

THAT WHOLE BATTLE IS BEING ADDRESSED TO MAKE THE EWOKS MORE BELIEVABLE AS A FIGHTING FORCE.

*that's good.*

6. Imperial scout on speeder bike looks stopped before exploding from Chewie's laser blast. Minor tweak should make the speeder bike look like it wasn't stopped.

AGAIN, ODDS ARE THIS WILL BE ADDRESSED.

*again, good.*

7. Human henchman in Jabba's palace keeps steering up into camera during Rancor scene. Maybe cgi, again, could alter his eyes so he looks like he's staring downward.

NEVER NOTICED THIS. DON'T KNOW IF ITS SOMETHING THATS EVER BOTHERED ADY.

*really? It's during Luke's battle with the Rancor and not Oola's, mind you.*

8. Boba Fett's rockets look a little crooked when he ignites them on the sail barge. Should be fixed so it doesn't look odd.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY ADY AGREES THAT MANY OF THE FETT FLYING EFFECTS WERE DONE RATHER DODGILY AND HE PLANS TO ADDRESS THAT.

*good*

9. Make it seem that Jabba is really being choked hard by the chains.

NEVER HAD A PROBLEM BELIEVING THIS MYSELF.

*not sure if this can be fixed, but maybe chain can look more like it's cutting into flesh.*

10. fix the imperial bunker's missing locked door while Han impersonates as an imperial officer to get them to open it.

GOT A SCREENCAP? NOT AWARE OF THIS ONE.

*hmm. Maybe they already addressed this. It was a scene that was either before or after Han was impersonating as an Imperial. Can't remember, really.*

Im sure there's more, but these have always bothered me since I was a kid.

 

fgqb#19nyj said:

4. Luke's lightsaber is nowhere to be found on his belt while he's carrying Vader to a shuttle. Again, cgi quick fix.

AGAIN, NO IDEA OF ADY'S SPECIFIC PLAN HERE....BUT LUKE THROWS IT AWAY TO MAKE A POINT TO THE EMPEROR. IT SEEMS LOGICAL TO ME THAT HE WOULDN'T HAVE RETRIEVED IT IN THE HURRY TO GET HIS FATHER AND HIMSELF OFF THE DSII.

*he has it on him during Ewok celebration, which implies he did.*

 

Potentially it could be removed from that shot (not saying it WILL be, just saying Ady could go either way on this)

 

 

10. fix the imperial bunker's missing locked door while Han impersonates as an imperial officer to get them to open it.

GOT A SCREENCAP? NOT AWARE OF THIS ONE.

*hmm. Maybe they already addressed this. It was a scene that was either before or after Han was impersonating as an Imperial. Can't remember, really.*

 

Screencap?

 

 

muddyknees2000 said:

fgqb#19nyj said:

4. Luke's lightsaber is nowhere to be found on his belt while he's carrying Vader to a shuttle. Again, cgi quick fix.

AGAIN, NO IDEA OF ADY'S SPECIFIC PLAN HERE....BUT LUKE THROWS IT AWAY TO MAKE A POINT TO THE EMPEROR. IT SEEMS LOGICAL TO ME THAT HE WOULDN'T HAVE RETRIEVED IT IN THE HURRY TO GET HIS FATHER AND HIMSELF OFF THE DSII.

*he has it on him during Ewok celebration, which implies he did.*

 

Potentially it could be removed from that shot (not saying it WILL be, just saying Ady could go either way on this)

 

It would make sense that he did retrieve it since he might have to fight his way out of the Death Star.

 

 

10. fix the imperial bunker's missing locked door while Han impersonates as an imperial officer to get them to open it.

GOT A SCREENCAP? NOT AWARE OF THIS ONE.

*hmm. Maybe they already addressed this. It was a scene that was either before or after Han was impersonating as an Imperial. Can't remember, really.*

 

Screencap?

Don't know how. Sorry.

 

 

fgqb#19nyj said:

It would make sense that he did retrieve it since he might have to fight his way out of the Death Star.

 

Thats one way to look at it. Ady might decide that its more symbolic of Luke's now very solid grasp of the force for him to throw it away and never go pick it back up.....figuring that he can use the force to just deal with anything that may come up. Additionally, the DSII is being destroyed...no-one is interested in where Luke is going at that point, they all just want off, the same as he does.

Was going to mention that....along with the fact that in the OT the loss of a lightsaber is usually accompanied by some big plot point......thus necessitating a change in a character's arc AND the building of a new lightsaber.........in the PT they just lose them every 5 mins and it means nothing.

Monroville said:

Really?  I can't say I bought it back in 1983.  Jabba is not just fat, he has no neck to choke.  He's a frikken slug!

Of course how else could Leia kill him?

Salt? :-)

Hi Ady! It's been a long time!

Alright, you're not even nearly done with ESB: R, but I've watched the Bluray version of RotJ and I've made a list of suggestions. I hope you could eventually take a minute to look at these? These suggestions are only for the first 30 minutes so far (before the execution scene), but here they are :) :

1. 2:00 - New space (more stars, more colors, more eye-candy)
2. 2:42 - Newer interface for the screen with the Imperial Shuttle. It looks very old, lol.
3. 5:00 - Could it be possible to restore Luke's saber creation scene?
4. 5:30 - Can you keep the larger door from the Bluray's version of Jabba's Palace? I like it :)
   
   
5. 6:50 - Add more life to the boar-like creatures (expressions like you did with Yoda? They really look like puppets now lol)
6. 8:18 - Also more life to the weird lizard/frog/dog-like creature on the floor? (Blinks? More mouth movements when it barks?)
7. 8:45 - Tweaks for Jabba? Mouth movements?
8. 10:26 - Also: the weird little mouse lizard could use a little update?
   
   
9. 11:10 - The droid torture machine doesn't really touch the droid's feet. Could the steam also be a little bit more realistic?
10. 12:30 - Give all the creatures a bit more life during Jabba's party? And please: keep the CGI ones :D I like them!
    
    
11. 18:53 - The red glow while melting Han should cover Han's whole body (Example: Han's hands and hair don't have the glow at the edges
12. 19:03 - Better placing of Han's face under the carbonite (his mouth is misplaced: too much to the left)
13. 25:15 - little tweaks to the rancor? :) Though I actually think it's quite realistic!
14. 27:15 - Don't let Luke try to break the iron bars that much. It looks quite silly for a jedi, lol.
15. 27:37 - Let Luke use a bit of the force to throw the skull at the switch?
16. 27:37 - More accurate hit of the switch? Place the skull a bit higher? After all, Luke is a Jedi :)

Oh, and before I forget: The following things also bugged me a lot:

1. Palpatines lightning still looks quite fake to me. Maybe you could make it look a lot better?
2. The worst and most fake part of the movie for me:
   When Vader decides to throw Palpatine, Luke gets up too quickly as if he doesn't have any pain from the lightning. It's like: "Hey lightning is gone and now I can watch my dad throwing the emperor away, yay!" Maybe you could slow down Luke while he's getting up?

These are my suggestions for now :) Sorry for my bad English, and also sorry if this all looks a little bit greedy. I don't mean it that way. I really love your work and I only want to help!

Good luck! You're awesome!

muddyknees2000 said:

Was going to mention that....along with the fact that in the OT the loss of a lightsaber is usually accompanied by some big plot point......thus necessitating a change in a character's arc AND the building of a new lightsaber.........in the PT they just lose them every 5 mins and it means nothing.

I'm sure he would have just easily used the Force to float it back to him. It's not like he couldn't, or wouldn't do that, especially in the situation he was in.

fgqb#19nyj said:

I'm sure he would have just easily used the Force to float it back to him. It's not like he couldn't, or wouldn't do that, especially in the situation he was in.

 I disagree. You HAVE found a continuity error here, no-one is disputing that. But I think if faced with the choice of correcting it either by editing it back into the scene where it is missing, or editing it out of the scene that creates the error in the first place......I think it far more compelling for Luke to throw it away and basically say to himself "I won't be needing that again". Film 6 is the end of SW....so what resonates in the mind more? A happy picture perfect ending with our heroes (and the audience) sure of their place in the world. Or Luke saying to himself (and to us, through his actions) "I'll have no further use for this lightsaber"? Is he giving up being a Jedi? Is he planning on becoming more spiritual and wise...like his former teacher Yoda...thereby not really needing a lightsaber? Its open ended in a way that stimulates the imagination, rather than wrapping everything up nicely and spelling it all out for us. Thats just my view though...

Monroville said:

...how else are you going to show 2 masters duking it out?

 The force? Its a shame he forgot about Star Wars when he remade Star Wars.

I miss mock-ups. What ever happened to those?

Angel seems to have embraced retirement lol

i have been working on a little project for a while now.  it was to redo the  effect that made luke's lightsaber fat.

my 1st attempt a year back came out okay but everything else looked like it came out of a bad tanning salon.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X471jswkwsw

my recent one came out a lot better and i went above to replace some of the backgrounds to make the scene more dun seaish

https://vimeo.com/46984511

https://vimeo.com/47412050

i had to cut it in half.  so how is it?

i was reading a gary kurtz interview a while back, which discusses how he might have tackled ROTJ, and kept the series going.

does anyone know if there is a bank of information regarding this? was there an original screenplay produced before he quit?