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Then why'd they staple the skin, just cauterize it with the magic 2089 laser.  My imagination says that when you cut completely thru some organ, the laser cauterizing trick doesn't work, the staples action says the writers believe that as well, but phuck it we've gotta keep this thing moving.

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That's what people are complaining about? Internal bleeding? Not that it only affected her for 5 minutes while she wandered around a ship that was still full of people and no one notices or talks to her about it? SHE HAD AN ALIEN BABY AND DIDN'T TELL ANYONE! David seemed pretty insistent on it being born, why would he not check on it when she shows up bloody and naked in Weyland's room?

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doubleofive said:

I hope those extra twenty minutes is where they kept all of the characterization, or explained why "Checkov's" self-surgery pod existed and was only programmed for a man when it was in Theron's personal quarters. If it was for Weyland, why? She wanted him dead, no surgery could have saved him from anything anyway.

i like the idea of the possibility that

she was an android also... she didn't

need much time to recover from stasis,

and she was able to choke and handle

david pretty well.... who knows what

happened when she told the ships captain

to come by her quarters?

 

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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]

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Then why'd they staple the skin, just cauterize it with the magic 2089 laser.  My imagination says that when you cut completely thru some organ, the laser cauterizing trick doesn't work, the staples action says the writers believe that as well, but phuck it we've gotta keep this thing moving.

It stapled her tummy back together to keep her organs from falling out. You can't sew something together with a laser, only cut it apart. It wasn't set up for a female, so it wouldn't have known to staple the uterus back up anyway.

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doubleofive said:

I hope those extra twenty minutes is where they kept all of the characterization, or explained why "Checkov's" self-surgery pod existed and was only programmed for a man when it was in Theron's personal quarters. If it was for Weyland, why? She wanted him dead, no surgery could have saved him from anything anyway.
i like the idea of the possibility that she was an android also... she didn't need much time to recover from stasis, and she was able to choke and handle david pretty well.... who knows what happened when she told the ships captain to come by her quarters?

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I think the point of her character was supposed to be that David was the son Weyland never had, which he said just to spite her. If she was an android too, she was better and more natural than the David model, and how could Weyland be disappointed that she was a girl if he made her?

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ray_afraid wrote: It stapled her tummy back together to keep her organs from falling out. It wasn't set up for a female, so it wouldn't have known to staple the uterus back up.

Then she's dead.

doubleofive wrote: That's what people are complaining about? Internal bleeding?

nah there's other things, this is just one which someone took the effort to refute.

Internal bleeding is kinda important if the only remaining character for your sequel is given life thru faulty lines of logic.  But she's obviously diety of your choice 3.0 so why stick to anything, mesaih complexes fix all....  I hope she meets Neo and they defeat the Tardis by giving it an alien ooze cold.  If the Matrix Architect teams up with the Alien Engineer and they hire the construction firm from X-Super X-Great X-Home X-Make X-Over X-Edition (yes Krychek is acting site superintendant) can we call this genre over.  (until it's rebooted for SW4.10 of course)

 

What duration do you think Prometheus covers.  two three days?

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What duration do you think Prometheus covers.  two three days?
The captain celebrates Christmas when they wake up from cryosleep. Rapache in her rip-off-of-Alien log says its new years day. So a week, but I can't account for more than two days of incidents. They land, explore, come back, leave the guys, go back to find them, come back, discover pregnancy (10 hours after encounter), I'm sure she's not knocked out for more than a few hours, has baby, goes back in, everything goes to hell. Done. Maybe the first few days are just them approaching the planet so they have time to recover from their sleep?

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There is a theory kicking around that Vickers is transgendered.

She started off as a boy but had the full works done.

Weyland being an old fashioned sort of git modeled David on the man she should have been and tried to cut her out of control of the company.

It sounds a bit too 'out there' for me but at least it fits.

I imagine the 'only male' thing was to throw a bit of delay into the scene to ramp up the tension and to be another hint at the shockingly not surprise that Guy-Guy Pearce is onboard but as it's already been pointed out there is nothing surgically wrong with Weyland (other than his Halloween Cake face) and if it's for him why not have it in his secret sanctum?

Seeing as he is paying for it and everyone back home thinks his dead why does he need a secret sanctum anyway?

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The last time I had to go on the internet to try and figure out what the hell I just watched was Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes.  And like in that instance, I'm finding no answers (except "lousy screenwriting").

I don't even understand what the black oil (that they ripped off from X-Files) was.  Some people are saying it was a mutagen; others are saying it was a weaponized liquid form of Alien eggs.

I wish I had known some LOST flunkie had written the screenplay.  It would have saved me $19.  I hate that Lost/X-Files crap with a passion.

I'm really baffled as to the incoherence of scripts and movies these days.  Are test screenings no longer being done?

 

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Tobar said:

Red Letter Media

So true!  I hope they post the 30 min one someday.

I'm really disappointed by this movie's rabid defenders.  All their arguments boil down to "You're too much of a [A) Retard B) Mouthbreather C)Troglodyte D) dumb fanboy that lives in his mother's basemet] to understand the genius of this film."

They usually don't go any further than that to enlighten us.  If they do, it's something that completely contradicts what the previous know-it-all said.

Somebody should do a "Prometheus" edit of Star Wars.  Remove any scenes of exposition and other random scenes so that the narrative makes no sense.  Cut out Obi-Wan explaining what the Force is and what lightsabers and Jedi are.  Remove all of Vader's lines so he's always silent and killing people for no reason.  And end the film right when we see the X-Wings take off from Yavin.

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I enjoyed it, now that a week has passed and I still think about it. I have rationalised it, it feels to me that I've experienced it, like a dream, dreams can be flawed, parts don't fit, doorways lead to different places,....dunno....even with RLM's list of errors, I would still recommend this movie.

Its not the feeling when I saw the Star Wars prequels....I wanted to like them....but in my gut I knew they were off.

Maybe in time I'll view it differently

J

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Someone should do a David Lynch style edit of the film so it can only be interpreted as a visually stunning bizarre dream art film and then you don't need to worry about the fact it makes no sense on any level.

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Now I understand why there was no tie-in novel.  

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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I was strongly reminded in the theater of the theatrical cut of Kingdom of Heaven.  The movie was good, but it felt like there was a lot that got ripped out for time without any thought as to how it would affect the story.

And then yesterday, I read that Ridley Scott is releasing an extended cut - 20 minutes longer - on Blu-Ray.

So I'm going to reserve any and all judgment about Prometheus until I see the extended cut, since his KoH DC turned a movie I loved to bitch about* into one of my favorite movies of all time.

*Because it had so much potential that was wasted because the soul of the movie had been gutted, not because I thought it was bad.  Which is pretty much how I feel about Prometheus.

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It's needs another hour of new footage really and lots of nonsense trimmed away.

A few seconds of Shaw explaining that the large figures in carvings she found are associated with the creator Gods of the various regions she found them in would explain were she pulls her theories from.

Even if they aren't very scientific.

In the film as it currently stand she just pulls that out of the air.

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I don't agree with the Kingdom of Heaven analogy because that movie had a pretty solid script. The theatrical version of the movie indicated bits of story had been left out.

In the case of Prometheus the criticism is arising from deeper script issues that may actually be highlighted, rather than tempered, by 20 minutes of additional scenes.

 

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I hope the extra 20 minutes is Shaw running around telling everyone about the alien baby she has locked in the escape pod.

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I think in the long form the Red Letter guys let the film off in a way they would never have a Star Wars prequel.

I remember long passages in all three Plinkett reviews where Jedi were accused of behaviour inconsistent with what we previous thought Jedi would do and yet the scientists not only don't follow the scientific method in any way, they also say things which make no scientific sense.

There aren't any real Jedi to weigh up what Jedi do, there are no books of actual Jedi facts and philosophy or codes of practice (we have to refer to the OT for reference).

Not only do we have real and past examples of scientists we know that the distance from Earth quoted in the film is within the Solar System and not in another Star System.

And yet the map at the beginning of the film is of another Star System (or maybe they were just balls like the script).

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Er, the distance quoted in the film is 35 light-years if I remember correctly - hardly within our solar system.

If you're referring to Charlize Theron's character's "half a billion miles" comment, well, she's a corporate suit who doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about.  She probably just pulled a number out of her ass that sounded big to her.

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Bingowings said:


I think in the long form the Red Letter guys let the film off in a way they would never have a Star Wars prequel.
If it was a Plinkett review they might have gotten deeper into the problems. "Half in the Bag" is pretty much a "should you see it" review, not a deconstruction.

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Ugh when I read interviews of Lindelof I cringe. His "vague is good" argument is a laughably transparent attempt to divert criticism from his extremely flawed, amateur writing.

If you want to do big ideas about science, resolve those ideas with science. Not with religion. Nothing against religion. It's just bad writing to present poorly conceived scientific ideas then say, "Well, it's due to something beyond explanation."

A movie is different than a tv series. A movie should have a self-contained plot. You can leave answers unquestioned, but those answers must not be critical to the plot. I saw a comment somewhere which said Prometheus is the first 3 episodes of a 12-episode tv season. Gee, unsurprising from the hack writer of Lost. And I'm not a bitter Lost fan. I watched that show knowing it was going down the tubes with horrible writing, and I didn't expect answers to all the questions they raised. It had great moments and strong characters but the mythology was trash.

Lindelof is completely oblivious. It's maddening because all of the extremely valid criticism gets swept to the side because people either "don't get it", "want to much information", "are haterzz", etc. If so many people agree on these criticisms, surely it's not a fluke?

Guy doesn't want to think he is anything less than the savior of sci-fi.

Ugh. That Lindelof has friends in very high places (JJ Abrams) is the main reason he gets these high profile projects.

And now I'm starting to really jump on the hater bandwagon. Trying very hard to still like Prometheus. It feels like TPM all over again, but the evolution of my feelings on the movie is more accelerated (days vs. months or even years).

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