PROMETHEUS was (Alien 0?) NOW NO LONGER SPOILER FREE. — Page 13

Will be 'R' for “sci-fi violence including some intense images, and brief language.”

http://collider.com/prometheus-rating-rated-r/164532/

Damon Lindelof joked on Twitter that it's good they got an R because the PG-13 cut was 11 minutes long.

Ok, so the tech thing has started to bother me, a bit. Like I've said in this thread,  I can buy that the Prometheus is a newer, state-of-the-art scientific research vessel and the Nostromo a Mack truck so the differences in tech seem appropriate to me. But I watched Aliens last night and was struck with how the design team really nailed the world of Alien. Everything looks like it could exist in the world the first film created. But there is no sign of Prometheus style touch-screen tech anywhere. Certainly the medical facilities and other locations we see would feature this kind of tech if it existed in this world, yeah? Especially when you take into account the time between the two films. So i did some digging around on the topic on found this Q&A with Riddley Scott and co-witter Damon Lindelof. They touch on a number of things like using real practical sets apposed to CGI (hooray!), Scotts decision to shoot in 3D ("it works like a son of a bitch" he says) and Scotts decision to make the tech in this film sleeker and more modern instead of the grungy look of Alien. So there ya have it. Lindelof gives the defense some of us on this thread have subscribed to (nuclear submarine vs. oil rig), but it seems the difference is there because Scott wanted it that way. "Creative decision". A bit disappointing, but it doesn't break the film for me. From what I've seen the Prometheus' touch-screens are the only things that jump out at me as being from another world. The costumes, creatures and vehicle/prop design all look very 'Alien' to me (anybody know if Bob Cobb is on the design team? If not, they've done a fine job at re-creating his style).

asterisk8 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Does Scott consider any of the sequels canon, though? If he doesn't, then he probably isn't going to go out of his way to make Prometheus mesh with them.

I'm confused. What do the sequels have to do with anything? The tech in Prometheus doesn't even match Alien, which is what ray_afraid is talking about. No one is talking about the sequels.

Well I'm talking a bit about Aliens. For me the first two films are cannon, so I'd like it if Prometheus fit closely into that world. But again, it's not a deal breaker for me, at least not until I see the film. Other than the touch-screen tech everything else looks like Alien to me.

Cool stuff! Nice to see the atmosphere processors from Aliens.

ray_afraid said:

Ok, so the tech thing has started to bother me, a bit. Like I've said in this thread,  I can buy that the Prometheus is a newer, state-of-the-art scientific research vessel and the Nostromo a Mack truck so the differences in tech seem appropriate to me. But I watched Aliens last night and was struck with how the design team really nailed the world of Alien. Everything looks like it could exist in the world the first film created. But there is no sign of Prometheus style touch-screen tech anywhere. Certainly the medical facilities and other locations we see would feature this kind of tech if it existed in this world, yeah? Especially when you take into account the time between the two films. So i did some digging around on the topic on found this Q&A with Riddley Scott and co-witter Damon Lindelof. They touch on a number of things like using real practical sets apposed to CGI (hooray!), Scotts decision to shoot in 3D ("it works like a son of a bitch" he says) and Scotts decision to make the tech in this film sleeker and more modern instead of the grungy look of Alien. So there ya have it. Lindelof gives the defense some of us on this thread have subscribed to (nuclear submarine vs. oil rig), but it seems the difference is there because Scott wanted it that way. "Creative decision". A bit disappointing, but it doesn't break the film for me. From what I've seen the Prometheus' touch-screens are the only things that jump out at me as being from another world. The costumes, creatures and vehicle/prop design all look very 'Alien' to me (anybody know if Bob Cobb is on the design team? If not, they've done a fine job at re-creating his style).

You mean Ron Cobb, and I can't find any IMDB credits for him past 2006. (With the exception of a documentary on Dark Star, but that could be archival footage.) Would be nice if he worked on Prometheus though.

Johnny Ringo said:

 

We just don't know how things will play out yet, maybe humanity is plunged into a sort of technological dark age?

Riddley has stated that the difference in tech is there because he didn't want to make a movie that looks like it's from the 70's. Simple as that.

If the movie is good, I won't care about these differences and will chalk it up to the idea that this is a big top of the line scientific research vessel and it has more advanced tech than the much older oil rig we saw in the first film.

...How I'll rationalize it's existence 87 years before the medical facilities we see in AlienS however, I just don't know...

SilverWook said:

ray_afraid said:

(anybody know if Bob Cobb is on the design team? If not, they've done a fine job at re-creating his style).

You mean Ron Cobb, and I can't find any IMDB credits for him past 2006. (With the exception of a documentary on Dark Star, but that could be archival footage.) Would be nice if he worked on Prometheus though.

Yes, I did mean RON Cobb. I haven't found anything that points to his being involved in Prometheus either, but the Prometheus it's self as well as the ground vehicles look like his designs to me. Maybe they were taken from his design work on the first two Alien films?

ray_afraid said:

Johnny Ringo said:

 

We just don't know how things will play out yet, maybe humanity is plunged into a sort of technological dark age?

Riddley has stated that the difference in tech is there because he didn't want to make a movie that looks like it's from the 70's. Simple as that.

If the movie is good, I won't care about these differences and will chalk it up to the idea that this is a big top of the line scientific research vessel and it has more advanced tech than the much older oil rig we saw in the first film.

...How I'll rationalize it's existence 87 years before the medical facilities we see in AlienS however, I just don't know...

I think there could have been a huge world war on earth (Paris at the end of IV) between events in Prometheus and ALIEN. This war depleted much of earths resources and manufacturing and earth now has to rely on antiquated equipment that had been stored off world since the early days of space travel (pre Prometheus events). 

but, but but... but then we can't complain about continuity!!! D:

Anchorhead said:

Bingowings said:

one is a space truck and looks dingy and older and the other is a science vessel/corporate ambassadorial/store window ship and looks flashy and new.

My car probably has the same technology as the finest limousines used to cater to diplomats and I would bet garbage trucks do as well.  Technology isn't limited to dog & pony show vehicles.  It's driven by cost of manufacture, cost of maintenance, and usability.

I understand this isn't a primer for Alien, but you can't ignore the fact that it's dripping with Alien crossover.  To me, it should look more consistent. 

I totally agree.  It won't ruin the story but it would have been nice to see more consistency.

Anchorhead said:

These are films that I think equaled or surpassed the original versions or that worked well as a prequel or sequel.

Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull

 

Now that I can't agree with :p