Question regarding PT filming in Tunisia — Page 2

timdiggerm said:

I forget: Does "Han" very in pronunciation onscreen, or only off?

It does vary onscreen. In ESB, Lando tends to pronounce it like "hand" without the D, rather than "hawn." Then 3p0 picks up the variant pronunciation when Lando is being strangled.

Akwat Kbrana said:

Gungans ("Goongas")

This one gets me every time.  Goongas sounds nothing like Gungans.

Akwat Kbrana said:

timdiggerm said:

I forget: Does "Han" very in pronunciation onscreen, or only off?

It does vary onscreen. In ESB, Lando tends to pronounce it like "hand" without the D, rather than "hawn." Then 3p0 picks up the variant pronunciation when Lando is being strangled.

Ah, that's exactly what I was thinking of! Good ol' Lando...

Bester said:

Akwat Kbrana said:

Gungans ("Goongas")

This one gets me every time.  Goongas sounds nothing like Gungans.

In all fairness, if you drop the second n and pronounce the u with a long u sound, you get "Goongas". Given that he pronounces Naboo with a long a and Hoth with a long o, it's actually pretty consistent.

But it requires complete rearrangement of letters, as opposed to simple lengthening of vowels.

No, just deletion of one letter. It's bad, but not 100% bizarre.

that is so obviously a photoshop job

from this:

Wasn't it in the 2004 DVD audio commentary, Lando Calrissian suddenly became known as Clarissian?

fishmanlee said:

that is so obviously a photoshop job

from this:

Am I the only one who finds this incredibly depressing?  Oh, how I long for a good old fashioned sci-fi movie that makes use of models, practical effects, matt paintings, stop-mo animation, puppetry, etc, instead of soleless CGI.....

Bester said:

Am I the only one who finds this incredibly depressing?  Oh, how I long for a good old fashioned sci-fi movie that makes use of models, practical effects, matt paintings, stop-mo animation, puppetry, etc, instead of soleless CGI.....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/

Bester said:

fishmanlee said:

that is so obviously a photoshop job

from this:

 

Am I the only one who finds this incredibly depressing?  Oh, how I long for a good old fashioned sci-fi movie that makes use of models, practical effects, matt paintings, stop-mo animation, puppetry, etc, instead of soleless CGI.....

It isn't entirely true, though. There were a lot of models in the PT, most people just don't know it.

Hey that greenscreen of George could be useful in some projects here.

Is it possible that they just filmed some blank shots of the desert in Tunisia during Ep.2, so that they'd have backdrops of Tatooine for use in the greenscreen shots of Ep.3?

Bester said: 

Am I the only one who finds this incredibly depressing?  Oh, how I long for a good old fashioned sci-fi movie that makes use of models, practical effects, matt paintings, stop-mo animation, puppetry, etc, instead of soleless CGI.....

Did you see John Carter?

Sure, there's CG, but it's hardly souless.

I was really just referring to the PT.

Akwat Kbrana said:

True, but that one's a bit unique in that pronunciation vacillates in the actual movie.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Hey that greenscreen of George could be useful in some projects here.

Is it possible that they just filmed some blank shots of the desert in Tunisia during Ep.2, so that they'd have backdrops of Tatooine for use in the greenscreen shots of Ep.3?

Shooting background plates "just in case" has been a common practice for a long time. I first read about it being done in the making of book for the first Star Trek movie. They shot plates of the V'Ger set from several angles in case retakes were needed after that complicated (and dangerous) set was taken down.

According to the DVD commentary tracks, there are a couple shots in Episode II and III that use backdrops of sets they would have had to rebuild otherwise.

It is possible to have the best of both worlds. I thought "Zathura" was a great blend of miniatures, creature suits, and digital effects. And I just swoon over rocketship models with real flames shooting out the tail end. ;)

TheBoost said:

...a huge ammount of model work, puppets, masks, etc.

Not enough, in most people's opinion.  The extensive use of CGI in the PT gave a cartoon-y feel, especially in the space battle sequences (the opening shot of Ep3 springs to mind).  It's hard to argue with that assessment.

the PT had models, its just the models were drowned out by the CGI.  one example is actually one of my favorite fx shots - in the AOTC Geonosis battle - when the camera tracks that missle all the way to that AT-ST and blows it up.  I dont know if there is an animated GIF of it, but you guys know what im referring to.  That was a model - but everything around it was cg.  I've said enough about the cgi clone troopers.

maybe the correct preference is:

appropriate and meaningful use of cgi where practical effects do not suffice;

properly detailed and lighted models;

and sets that can function as actual environments and not just greenscreen plates that force actors to just slowly and deliberately walk and talk;

and all of these elements have to be composed properly and in a manner that adds dramatic weight.  and you need to choreograph action sequences in a way that engages the viewer so that it stands the test of time after the intial rush.  The action in the OT is like a classic world series pitchers dual.  So much of the action in the PT was like a exhibition home run contest. 

The 'chase' sequence on utapau between obi-wan and grevious in ROTS - for me it sucked because things were moving so fast, you couldnt see anything.  If you're gonna have a sequence move so fast it becomes all a blur, you need to have some knowledge beforehand of what the environment looks like.  so if we dont know where this chase is taking place or even the basic layout, how are we supposed to have any sense of danger?  i guess it doesn' matter because apologists just say "look!! its a homage to temple of doom!!" at least for the pod race, you got a first lap so the next 2 gave you an idea of what obstacles anakin needed to be careful of.

anyway, bakc on topic - afaik, everything in ROTS was filmed on sound-stage, including that scene with obi-wan and beru. i thought the scene looked fine - except beru running up to owen on top of that ledge like she is holding a bag of groceries and not a baby:( but based on how ewan described lucas' direction of that scene, I am not surprised.

 its funny posters here talk about how lucas mispronounces the names of the characters - i remember one clip of footage that shows pernilla august during a script review asking lucas "is it SHMEE or SHMEYE - did we ever decide?"

Someone mentioned John Carter - its too bad this movie is bombing.  I was kinda excited about seeing it.  i hope its still playing in my theatre.

Surely its better than the crap green lantern and transformers 3 movies.

 right??????

walking_carpet said:

...the models were drowned out by the CGI. One example is actually one of my favorite fx shots - in the AOTC Geonosis battle - when the camera tracks that missle all the way to that AT-ST and blows it up.  I don't know if there is an animated GIF of it, but you guys know what im referring to.  That was a model - but everything around it was cg...

I think you mean AT-TE .