The more you talk about legal issues, the more unwanted eyes you'll attract...
Move along, stay on target! :)
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ImperialFighter said:
Wouldn't be a bad thing if certain posts on this page were removed altogether, I reckon...
I was going to say the same thing. Jeesh, I can't believe this is STILL going on.
So how about those tie fighter colors, eh?
There is a degree of unnecessary paranoia here.
There have been no posts advocating piracy, just a few posts enquiring on methods of avoiding piracy so people can watch this project and others while remaining as closely as possible within the law.
It's particularly important to underline the anti-piracy stance of the site and this particular editor now seeing as the release is much closer than it was 500 pages ago.
Questions were asked answers were given, deleting posts will remove information and possibly prompt the same questions to be asked again.
Not talking about such matters is if anything more suspicious and more likely to get the wrong kind of attention.
Dear Adywan,
I have created an account with the intention of putting a friendly word of in your ear prior to the release of ESB: R which I believe isn't too far away now. First of all, thank you very much for doing this. An incredible labour of love which I know I am going to really enjoy watching and am sure many thousands around the world will feel the same way.
It's quite something to create a new 'version' of a classic - and judging by the long list of tweaks and changes that are detailed on the the first page of this forum your version will be definitive.
It's also quite something being able to put a note up here for you, and to know that you will get to see it, and although my hopes of influencing your decision making are very small it would be remiss of me not to try in this one instance. I believe your instincts are great with the changes your making but there is one change I read that made my heart sink a little bit and caused me to write.
The decision to remove the shot of the AT-ST at the Battle of Hoth. This is a small detail, of course - but it's a cool detail. A nice moment of escalation in the battle where you see the Imperials are bringing in more forces. It is also a part of the original theatrical version of ESB not a later addition, and a fine early example of Phil Tippett's stop motion fx. I think it would be such a shame to lose it.
I understand your rationale is that it's the only shot of AT-ST's we see at the battle. Yes it is - but isn't that what makes Star Wars so incredible? Monsters that would form the basis for a whole lesser movie are glimpsed just once at the Cantina. Costumes that took weeks to craft only having seconds on screen. It is such things that cause the viewers imagination to expand, to fill the mind with moments that are never glimpsed on screen. I don't need to see the AT-ST in extra scenes - I can picture it zapping away at the Rebels in the trenches without the movie actually showing me that happening. I think perhaps you have seen it as a continuity problem when it really isnt - and I believe ESB: R will be a lesser film for trimming the shot.
I wonder if perhaps you might re-evaluate this decision, turn it over in your mind whether you really do have to lose this shot? There's a fan of yours here that would be very pleased if it ended up staying in your cut.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, and all the best,
Matt
Adywan has already said for reasons of continuity there will be no AT-STs at all in ESB:R.
It's something I struggled with a bit but I can see where he is coming from and it's his edit.
Bingowings said:
There is a degree of unnecessary paranoia here.
There have been no posts advocating piracy, just a few posts enquiring on methods of avoiding piracy so people can watch this project and others while remaining as closely as possible within the law.
It's particularly important to underline the anti-piracy stance of the site and this particular editor now seeing as the release is much closer than it was 500 pages ago.
Questions were asked answers were given, deleting posts will remove information and possibly prompt the same questions to be asked again.
Not talking about such matters is if anything more suspicious and more likely to get the wrong kind of attention.
I agree, and it's very "UNLIKELY" that Lucasfilm and it's lawyers don't keep a close eye on whats going on here at OT.com, and especially ESB:R. I would also have to say they somebody from Lucasfilm probably monitors us on a daily basis.
Venerable member of the “Red Eye” Knights
That's a bit paranoid.
Yee-hah, two on-topic posts before going back to piracy talk!
:-/
eiyosus said:
So how about those tie fighter colors, eh?
After seeing the recent comparison pics, I gotta say that I'm completely happy with the colors! To my eyes they still look grey, just more blue than the ANH:R grey.
Yes, keeping the AT-ST shot creates a giant continuity error as it should be seen in most shots from that point forward. Trust me, you won't miss that shot at all, the battle is glorious.
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doubleofive said:
Yes, keeping the AT-ST shot creates a giant continuity error as it should be seen in most shots from that point forward. Trust me, you won't miss that shot at all, the battle is glorious.
perhaps a shame in that it could have been a missed opportunity for more destruction could of blown it up instead with one of the rebel battery guns like remove it that way instead of masking or painting it out...
Anyway cannot wait to see hoth revisited style... I hope Ady takes some artistic license like he did with Yavin and expands it in some ways shapes or forms and most of all makes it clear what is happening where if that makes sense.
I read this story about a guy that lets all the taun tauns out of there pens so he could make it to the hanger bay and the last shuttle and create a diversion for all the troops invading echo base if ESB ever got remade this shouldd be in!
freaked out Taun tauns stampeeding over troopers heads in tight corridors
oh just wondering but does anyone kamikaze their snowspeeder into veers AT-ATs head like was originally intended?
In the storyboard of ESB that is....
ray_afraid said:
eiyosus said:
So how about those tie fighter colors, eh?
After seeing the recent comparison pics, I gotta say that I'm completely happy with the colors! To my eyes they still look grey, just more blue than the ANH:R grey.
Watch Ady's latest clip; in some cases, his TIEs are bluer than the originals (pause during the first fly-bys with the 3 SDs).
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I was just kidding about the tie colors guys! We don't need to do this again. :P
I have less of a problem with the color of the TIE fighters than I do with the way that they mesh with the background. The gray found in ANH:R helped a lot with that, and that's why I like the coloring. To me, the blue fighters stand out like obvious blue screen work, often making them seem to be at a VERY different depth than anything else in the film. Perhaps if this was changed, I'd be more content with the blue.
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3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
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So that object falling is going to be the "lost flipper" from ANH:R xvid, correct?
;)
As for Blue Ties reminding one of a blue screen, what a strange thing to say. Do green objects remind you of green screens?
I guess he meant that sometimes when blue-screen in done poorly you get bluescreen spill, which would make neutral coloured objects have blue halos, and because of black-level issues in optical printing they sometimes print blueish (they also often print pink and green).
Wait, the AT-ST's are gone... because of "continuity"?
Then again, it's much more fun to speculate where they came from in the first place. See, when a boy AT-AT and a girl AT-AT love each other very much...
We're not going to see how the big walkers got on the planet. We don't see what happened to all the walkers or how the soldiers get from inside them and then into the base. But this part is intolerable?
Just blow it up! Sheesh. :(
Kurgan said:
Wait, the AT-ST's are gone... because of "continuity"?
Then again, it's much more fun to speculate where they came from in the first place. See, when a boy AT-AT and a girl AT-AT love each other very much...
We're not going to see how the big walkers got on the planet. We don't see what happened to all the walkers or how the soldiers get from inside them and then into the base. But this part is intolerable?
Just blow it up! Sheesh. :(
You don't see it showing up from far off like the AT-AT's...you don't see it in the long or wide shots of the battle.....its nowhere except in those 2 closeup shots. Its so much easier to take it out to fix continuity that it would be to put one into all the shots you'd need to put it into, even if you were only going to blow it up when it gets to those closeups.
message for Adywan
Is there any possibility once you are done with ESB revisited that you might consider doing some more radical scenes or expansions to the Hoth battle and release it as another cut aside from the official revisited.
I already asked you before and I know you said no and not expecting a yes or anything but surprised you would not want to do it yourself just for fun aswell as perhaps it would be cool to try atleast... I just hope that it's not going to be ESB more of a preservation than some real gutsy editing like what you did before with Yavin
Bring Vader down to hoth see him land and walk out onto the ice before entering the echo base
Snowspeeder Kamikaze into veers AT-At's head
Blowing up the At-ST
snowtroopers disembarking from AT-AT's on wires and being seen firing at rebels on the ground and hitting them for a change
Luke meets some tie fighters as resistance leaving hoth with transports
perhaps I am being self indulgent or asking too much with this list but I am sure alot of people would love to see this sort of stuff ontop of what you have already done by your hand perhaps you have done some of this? But regardless I don't think it would be critisised if you went on to expand it slightly afterwards like a V2.
Personally theres not alot I'd change with ESB in terms of trying to do additional scenes but that is practically it... I am sure you have thought about all of these points yourself and probably decided on no for what ever reason... Yes it's extravagent but thats what I like about it the most and of course it's fun
sorry I am excited anyway to see what you have done... I just love stuff like that in the list I just put to you thats all
zombie84 said:
I guess he meant that sometimes when blue-screen in done poorly you get bluescreen spill, which would make neutral coloured objects have blue halos, and because of black-level issues in optical printing they sometimes print blueish (they also often print pink and green).
Correct. Am I the only that's seeing it that way?
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Of course the OT has always had bad bluescreen/greenscreen along with the matte lines until fixed by revisited. The thing that I am still noticing, at least in ANH:R was the almost cardboard cut out look of some fx and objects. For example, many of the explosions in the revisited battle of Yavin have absolutely no 3d shape to them and look and in a way cheesy. The blue TIE's just make that cardboard cut-out look worse. The PT, even though filled with terrible CGI, doesn't have this problem.
Ronster said:...if ESB ever got remade...
*shudder*
The bottom line is that it IS Ady's edit. All anyone can do is argue their point logically or illogically. There are plenty of extreme close-ups of the TIEs in action throughout ANH (specifically during the Falcon escape battle) and not once do they even remotely appear bluish in any way, shape or form. To do it for EMPIRE is one thing, as that is how they originally appeared. Considering that even Lucas has never blued the TIEs in any incarnation of ANH should say something.
not blue
In the end, this will probably be a good thing, being that it will give me one more reason to learn After Effects and other programs so I can re-color correct the TIEs to grey.
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That's the right idea. If you don't like a change, change it back.Monroville said:
In the end, this will probably be a good thing, being that it will give me one more reason to learn After Effects and other programs so I can re-color correct the TIEs to grey.
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