You're on to my secret: I'm not super computer savvy. Actually, I used Winrar to cut it into the six pieces. But I think you're right, I'm just going to resave it at a much lower quality.
So I've been doing a little research on star destroyers as I hope we do successfully implement another design or two into our battle. Here's some interesting info on the communications ship, which seems to be featured in the battle from a distance at least:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#commship
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_communications_ship
The communications ship was the vessel jamming the Rebels. How else would they know the shield was down without having disabled the jamming in some way? It makes sense to me. I didn't include any sort of attack on the communications vessel in this rough edit because I wasn't sure I liked how I did my little script and was trying to hurry and get everything done. However, I do think this would be a valuable inclusion to the battle.
Also, thinking about Coruscant with all this discussion, I'm starting to wonder if there is some way to include it. Problem is it doesn't seem logical for the Death Star to be anywhere nearby, and I don't think it would be realistic or suspenseful enough to set Coruscant as the center stage. I'm wondering if there is some other way to give it more screen time or inclusion...
darth_ender said:
So I've been doing a little research on star destroyers as I hope we do successfully implement another design or two into our battle. Here's some interesting info on the communications ship, which seems to be featured in the battle from a distance at least:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#commship
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_communications_ship
The communications ship was the vessel jamming the Rebels. How else would they know the shield was down without having disabled the jamming in some way? It makes sense to me. I didn't include any sort of attack on the communications vessel in this rough edit because I wasn't sure I liked how I did my little script and was trying to hurry and get everything done. However, I do think this would be a valuable inclusion to the battle.
Also, thinking about Coruscant with all this discussion, I'm starting to wonder if there is some way to include it. Problem is it doesn't seem logical for the Death Star to be anywhere nearby, and I don't think it would be realistic or suspenseful enough to set Coruscant as the center stage. I'm wondering if there is some other way to give it more screen time or inclusion...
This is basically what was planned from the lost rebel footage the attack on the communications ship.... The lines in that footage match the wookiepedia description to the T.
So they planned to do this but left it out as it meant more SFX shots, and more budget.... Hmmm it's just a question of what one looks like close up and how to execute that sequence it's somthing really for the Graphics Team to figure out.....
That means destroying another Mon Calamari Cruiser.. But thats your capital shio battle for the taking.... Lando can say "yeeha" then lol they got the puppet to do the lines instead of Lando lol
I had the same thought, as it does match the Lost Rebels lines. However, I don't like the idea of power reactors vulnerable through hangar bays; hangars are already exposed, so it's an obvious vulnerability, and who would be stupid enough to place the reactors right where a ships have easy access? Besides, Anakin blew up the Droid Ship that way, so I'd hope to show it go in some other manner. Frankly, I'd be okay if they took out the bridge tower. I think it'd be cool to see a bunch of antennae and/or dishes blowing up.
darth_ender said:
I had the same thought, as it does match the Lost Rebels lines. However, I don't like the idea of power reactors vulnerable through hangar bays; hangars are already exposed, so it's an obvious vulnerability, and who would be stupid enough to place the reactors right where a ships have easy access? Besides, Anakin blew up the Droid Ship that way, so I'd hope to show it go in some other manner. Frankly, I'd be okay if they took out the bridge tower. I think it'd be cool to see a bunch of antennae and/or dishes blowing up.
you know the dome on the underside of the belly of a star destroyer well how about 4 of them positioned like this
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0 0
0
But in closer proximity with a 5th dome or dish that sits ontop of these 4 as a base but passes through the center on the 4 base domes and a little bigger.
actually a ball would probably work better.
How about that for design?
yeah the hanger idea is no good.....
Finally, an even lower quality version of the Battle of Endor.
http://www.4shared.com/video/q9iTMV5P/New_Battle_of_Endor_edit_lo_qu.html
I hope you guys like it. I tried to include segments that could easily be dubbed to suit our story-telling purposes. Like I said, no attack on the communications vessel yet. Please let me know your thoughts, one and all. There are enough differences to warrant another watch if you have already seen my previous version.
darth_ender said:
So I've been doing a little research on star destroyers as I hope we do successfully implement another design or two into our battle. Here's some interesting info on the communications ship, which seems to be featured in the battle from a distance at least:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#commship
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_communications_ship
The communications ship was the vessel jamming the Rebels. How else would they know the shield was down without having disabled the jamming in some way? It makes sense to me. I didn't include any sort of attack on the communications vessel in this rough edit because I wasn't sure I liked how I did my little script and was trying to hurry and get everything done. However, I do think this would be a valuable inclusion to the battle.
Also, thinking about Coruscant with all this discussion, I'm starting to wonder if there is some way to include it. Problem is it doesn't seem logical for the Death Star to be anywhere nearby, and I don't think it would be realistic or suspenseful enough to set Coruscant as the center stage. I'm wondering if there is some other way to give it more screen time or inclusion...
MrInsaneA said:
darth_ender said:
So I've been doing a little research on star destroyers as I hope we do successfully implement another design or two into our battle. Here's some interesting info on the communications ship, which seems to be featured in the battle from a distance at least:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#commship
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_communications_ship
The communications ship was the vessel jamming the Rebels. How else would they know the shield was down without having disabled the jamming in some way? It makes sense to me. I didn't include any sort of attack on the communications vessel in this rough edit because I wasn't sure I liked how I did my little script and was trying to hurry and get everything done. However, I do think this would be a valuable inclusion to the battle.
Also, thinking about Coruscant with all this discussion, I'm starting to wonder if there is some way to include it. Problem is it doesn't seem logical for the Death Star to be anywhere nearby, and I don't think it would be realistic or suspenseful enough to set Coruscant as the center stage. I'm wondering if there is some other way to give it more screen time or inclusion...
Meh. We don't need more Coruscant, except for the celebration. No reason for it to be included in the final battle.
I mean, I like crazy out there ideas, but I don't want THIS to become the intended outcome for this edit:
darth_ender said:
Finally, an even lower quality version of the Battle of Endor.
http://www.4shared.com/video/q9iTMV5P/New_Battle_of_Endor_edit_lo_qu.html
I hope you guys like it. I tried to include segments that could easily be dubbed to suit our story-telling purposes. Like I said, no attack on the communications vessel yet. Please let me know your thoughts, one and all. There are enough differences to warrant another watch if you have already seen my previous version.
Well Done Darth_Ender, I think there are some good ideas in here, but they are mostly carried over from the previous edit....
Here is my feedback and I hope you take it constructivly.
1. Madine does not need to give the order to go to lightspeed or say the force be with us before the battle it would have been better used on the second Mon Calamari cruiser being destroyed as the first was a surprise but I really lol at Aw Shucks!
2.Jejerrod really breaks up the pace when they are going for the reactor on attack run and I think his inclusion kills exitement and he's boring anyway. The placement seems to be kind of correct though which is why he got cut no doubt
3.The time between them starting there assault on the DSII and actually making the attack run is too long apart in time.
4. Your best idea is that the hot-wire opens the door which is fantastic IMO
5. Too Much silly Ewoks / Traps
6.It's hard to Visualise the space battle stills.....I will give it another look... But I liked the inclusion of the gunners on the falcon and thought the placement was well thought out although I would have tried to include some ANH footage also of taking down some ties too.
7.You know my opinion on constantly breaking away to another scene before you have reached any kind of conclusion of any particular plot and the original muddled feel of ROTJ.... I unfortunatly feel you have emphasised this more and caused more confusion with the already jumbled nature of the origoinal. But I understand you like the climaxes to all be happening simultaneously but this was not working well
8. Alot of Audio Dubbing... Probably too much to get away with apart from Fish Face B-wing Pilots there ok
I'm currently only about half way through reading all this but I love the idea and I wish I had spotted it sooner.
I noticed early on there was a lot of debate about Dagobah and using the Luke building his lightsaber footage so thought I would add a link to something I posted in a different thread about the same theme.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-and-ROTJ-Wishlist/post/540048/#TopicPost540048
As far as I have read up to this hasn't been mentioned or decided upon so apologies if it has been subsequently but hopefully it will provide some food for thought.
More music from the Jabba section of the film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek2YLVnzgwQ
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
Ronster said:
darth_ender said:
Finally, an even lower quality version of the Battle of Endor.
http://www.4shared.com/video/q9iTMV5P/New_Battle_of_Endor_edit_lo_qu.html
I hope you guys like it. I tried to include segments that could easily be dubbed to suit our story-telling purposes. Like I said, no attack on the communications vessel yet. Please let me know your thoughts, one and all. There are enough differences to warrant another watch if you have already seen my previous version.
Well Done Darth_Ender, I think there are some good ideas in here, but they are mostly carried over from the previous edit....
That was the point. Only this time I was focusing on the other aspects, while before I had only worked on the surface battle.
Here is my feedback and I hope you take it constructivly.
Of course, ya big jerk ;)
1. Madine does not need to give the order to go to lightspeed or say the force be with us before the battle it would have been better used on the second Mon Calamari cruiser being destroyed as the first was a surprise but I really lol at Aw Shucks!
I like the idea of saying, "May the Force be with us," just before he gets blown up, but he has to have some indication that his death is inevitable for that to be believable, and the superlaser shot is so surprising to everyone that I just couldn't think of a way to do that. As for him giving the order, he is simply ordering his ship. It may not be the solution, but here is my logic: we want Madine to die; we have to establish he's commanding one of the Mon Cal cruisers; we have to indicate that his ship is the first (or second) being destroyed; we need to show he is an active participant in the battle; the audience needs to care about him. My thought on solving this, especially given the very little footage in the deleted scenes and the fact that whatever we dub, it has to be believable with the mouth movements we see, are showing him at least twice prior to being destroyed, once as the battle is beginning and once during the battle. Since his lines involve him commanding the entire fleet in place of Ackbar, I thought it might be easiest to show him commanding his own ship in a like manner. Maybe I don't have the right solution, but I believe the general formula is close, and we just need to perfect the specifics.
2.Jejerrod really breaks up the pace when they are going for the reactor on attack run and I think his inclusion kills exitement and he's boring anyway. The placement seems to be kind of correct though which is why he got cut no doubt
I of course disagree, except perhaps the part where the officer announces "Rebel fighters have entered the superstructure." I don't really mind that going. But may I remind you that the Battle of Yavin in ANH was split as well, though not as extensively, and we see similar scenes with Tarkin and his officers on board the Death Star. I think with the right music (music definitely adds a lot, and I imagine a lot of these lines accompanied by tense music) and maybe a couple of slight cuts, these shots would dramatically add to the tension. That's my thought at least. Remember, we're watching lower quality deleted scenes with no music or sound effects. Try to imagine everything blending better.
3.The time between them starting there assault on the DSII and actually making the attack run is too long apart in time.
Perhaps you are right. It was a concern of mine as well. However, I imagine they encountered more opposition as they tried to enter than shown in the original. If this sequence is used, perhaps an additional few shots of opposition while trying to gain entrance to the Death Star would explain this well.
4. Your best idea is that the hot-wire opens the door which is fantastic IMO
Thanks :)
5. Too Much silly Ewoks / Traps
I know this is true to some extent. Dubbing the Ewoks to sound more ferocious would help somewhat. But I wonder what you mean by traps. While swinging from the side and knocking down the troops is pretty dumb, we have to see the tide of the battle turning. The troops are in disarray at the loss of their generator. And we're supposed to see the Ewoks' guerilla tactics working. I don't know how you would suggest remedying this.
6.It's hard to Visualise the space battle stills.....I will give it another look... But I liked the inclusion of the gunners on the falcon and thought the placement was well thought out although I would have tried to include some ANH footage also of taking down some ties too.
Thanks. And yeah, it's hard to define with stills, but I'm not able to make an actual video.
7.You know my opinion on constantly breaking away to another scene before you have reached any kind of conclusion of any particular plot and the original muddled feel of ROTJ.... I unfortunatly feel you have emphasised this more and caused more confusion with the already jumbled nature of the origoinal. But I understand you like the climaxes to all be happening simultaneously but this was not working well
I highly disagree, but it's personal taste.
8. Alot of Audio Dubbing... Probably too much to get away with apart from Fish Face B-wing Pilots there ok
Actually, I carefully chose my lines to try to largely match with mouth movements (for instance, Madine's lines were actually very close to what would be dubbed anyway) or when faces are not shown. It might be hard to pull off, and the lines may need some alteration, but I think it can be done. Also, I think it may be possible to digitally alter their mouth movements slightly to better fit whatever lines we choose.
Thanks for the constructive criticism. I know you and I see certain elements very differently, but we can work it out, with help from the vote of course. And besides, it's only a rough edit to give a general idea.
An interesting suggestion Johannus. I'd love to see more Dagobah in such an edit, but I'm not sure how easy that'd be to do. Is there any chance you could do some sort of rough edit to demonstrate how possible it is? And welcome to our little club :)
darth_ender said:
An interesting suggestion Johannus. I'd love to see more Dagobah in such an edit, but I'm not sure how easy that'd be to do. Is there any chance you could do some sort of rough edit to demonstrate how possible it is? And welcome to our little club :)
Funnily enough I did start throwing together a very rough clip to demonstrate this so I will try to finish it off (though cannot guarentee it will be soon) but the biggest problem I found wasn't the footage as with enough editing I think existing shots of Yoda could be passed off as new shots, but the sound clips available.
I also tried to build on the idea in Spence's edit that Luke doesn't know about how badly their plan to get Han is going and he senses it through the force and flies off to help. To do this I wanted to remove the conversation with Ben just after Yoda dies and then when Luke is standing looking out at Ben from next to his X Wing put a voiceover of Yoda telling him 'Hurry, your friends, in great danger' so that Luke's look of surprise is hearing these words instead of seeing Ben. Then he flies off to help. However, I was really struggling to piece together words just for this short line but to be honest, if it could be done (perhaps with dubbing) then I think it would add a lot to showing Yoda as the master compared to Ben, just as I think the Dagobah scenes suggested would add something a little more iconic to RotJ, which lets face it doesn't add much new stuff to the OT.
So today is the last day to vote, and I was hoping for a little more input. Let me call out on the carpet those who have not yet voted:
Aalenfae
Angel
Neglify
ben_danger
Mithrandir
doubleofive
jonathan7
TV's Frink
none
Evin Jade
Jaitea (though he never participated, he agreed to do so before I called the vote)
ray_afraid
And TheoOdo, your vote was cut off, and I'd like to receive the rest of it. Check your PMs.
Votes already received from:
timdiggerm
MrInsaneA
DominicCobb
Ronster
fishmanlee
Vladius
emanswfan
darth_ender
TheoOdo (cut off)
Please submit your vote by today (which really means before I check my PMs tomorrow) or else I will not count it. I really do hope to hear from our special effects team because we can't do anything without them. Please vote Angel and Aalenfae.
Johannus said:
darth_ender said:
An interesting suggestion Johannus. I'd love to see more Dagobah in such an edit, but I'm not sure how easy that'd be to do. Is there any chance you could do some sort of rough edit to demonstrate how possible it is? And welcome to our little club :)
Funnily enough I did start throwing together a very rough clip to demonstrate this so I will try to finish it off (though cannot guarentee it will be soon) but the biggest problem I found wasn't the footage as with enough editing I think existing shots of Yoda could be passed off as new shots, but the sound clips available.
I also tried to build on the idea in Spence's edit that Luke doesn't know about how badly their plan to get Han is going and he senses it through the force and flies off to help. To do this I wanted to remove the conversation with Ben just after Yoda dies and then when Luke is standing looking out at Ben from next to his X Wing put a voiceover of Yoda telling him 'Hurry, your friends, in great danger' so that Luke's look of surprise is hearing these words instead of seeing Ben. Then he flies off to help. However, I was really struggling to piece together words just for this short line but to be honest, if it could be done (perhaps with dubbing) then I think it would add a lot to showing Yoda as the master compared to Ben, just as I think the Dagobah scenes suggested would add something a little more iconic to RotJ, which lets face it doesn't add much new stuff to the OT.
We'll look forward to seeing it. It does seem difficult to pull off, I'll be honest, but it sounds interesting if you can find success. I'll be honest, I'm not a big fan of reusing footage too obviously, so unless you can carefully disguise it, I have my worries. But I will reserve judgment till I see it :)
Ronster said:
darth_ender said:
I had the same thought, as it does match the Lost Rebels lines. However, I don't like the idea of power reactors vulnerable through hangar bays; hangars are already exposed, so it's an obvious vulnerability, and who would be stupid enough to place the reactors right where a ships have easy access? Besides, Anakin blew up the Droid Ship that way, so I'd hope to show it go in some other manner. Frankly, I'd be okay if they took out the bridge tower. I think it'd be cool to see a bunch of antennae and/or dishes blowing up.
you know the dome on the underside of the belly of a star destroyer well how about 4 of them positioned like this
0
0 0
0
But in closer proximity with a 5th dome or dish that sits ontop of these 4 as a base but passes through the center on the 4 base domes and a little bigger.
actually a ball would probably work better.
How about that for design?
yeah the hanger idea is no good.....
I don't really understand what you're getting at. Are these raised bumps on the destroyer to signify antennae or something like that? If so, do you think you could draw and scan your idea?
Well If the graphics guys have bugged out.... My art cannot save the day unfortunatly :(
I don't think they've bugged out. I think they are simply busy. And that's the thing about this edit: even if people drop out, we can still make progress, and new folks will come forth.
Nice avatar, BTW.
I hope they are only busy and it's not that they are not interested anymore..... Ah they are massive star wars fans of course they are interested,
I have a friend who is a graphic designer and I'm going to try and get him to help me develop some of my ideas if he can be bothered.....In after effects hopefully, or somthing like this,
Fishmanlee has inspired me also yesterday... and my tattooine idea is more complete.....What music would you suggest for a beggars canyon fly through fishmanlee? I want it to be a bit E.T. like but with the dark flash back included if possible
also anyone remember this... I am also now drawing from this as a new source of inspiration in many ways....
I'm glad to see you bringing your vision to life. You could very well be helping yourself and all of us at the same time. Keep up the good work!
Ronster said:
Fishmanlee has inspired me also yesterday... and my tattooine idea is more complete.....What music would you suggest for a beggars canyon fly through fishmanlee? I want it to be a bit E.T. like but with the dark flash back included if possible
what is your Idea? (I have not really been following other peoples idea mockups)
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Collaborative-Fanediting-An-ROTJ-Proposition-Voting-in-progress-if-you-ve-ever-contributed-to-this-thread-please-vote-on-issues-in-post-222-linked-in-first-post/post/557030/#TopicPost557030
This post will help you understand a bit better I am looking for the right music though
Ronster said:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Collaborative-Fanediting-An-ROTJ-Proposition-Voting-in-progress-if-you-ve-ever-contributed-to-this-thread-please-vote-on-issues-in-post-222-linked-in-first-post/post/557030/#TopicPost557030
This post will help you understand a bit better I am looking for the right music though
I just checked, and I cannot really come up with anything right now, with the state the idea is in right now (nothing really visual in terms of motion picture) heh, now I know why Williams had a hard time scoring AOTC's Arena Battle.
EDIT: something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAyuULWW5k4
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
fishmanlee said:
Ronster said:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Collaborative-Fanediting-An-ROTJ-Proposition-Voting-in-progress-if-you-ve-ever-contributed-to-this-thread-please-vote-on-issues-in-post-222-linked-in-first-post/post/557030/#TopicPost557030
This post will help you understand a bit better I am looking for the right music though
I just checked, and I cannot really come up with anything right now, with the state the idea is in right now (nothing really visual in terms of motion picture) heh, now I know why Williams had a hard time scoring AOTC's Arena Battle.
EDIT: something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAyuULWW5k4
That will do nicely Mr Fishmanlee, you done it again!