Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!) — Page 14

So I've been thinking about the lack of originality to a second Death Star, and while I repeat that I don't have a problem with it, perhaps this will serve as something of compromise between those who think it is cliched and those who want to keep the same sort of threat.  It raises the stakes, too, but I worry that in a sense, it really is simply succumbing to the cliche of the same threat, only more.  But here is my thought anyway for your consideration:

Keep the Death Star in name and in many other respects, but make it more like the Centerpoint Station/Starbuster, capable of destroying stars from a great distance (and thus the surrounding planets).  I liked this idea from the Corellian Trilogy better than the Sun Crusher of the Jedi Academy Trilogy because of the nature of the weapon (a powerful tractor beam instead of dinky torpedoes) and the station (as opposed to an invincible little starship) both seemed better suited for such destructive capabilities.  The new DSII could still be a large space station shaped the same or similarly as it presently is in ROTJ, only it could be equipped with far more destructive technology, and therefore its destruction is even more urgent.

It's just a thought at the present, and I'm not even sure I like it, but what do you guys think?

Looking forward to the next music clip.  I'll have to listen to all these again and contrast them with the original shots.  Thanks for the good work, fishmanlee.

I had a similar idea, with a space station orbiting Coruscant.

I actually really like TheOdo's Idea aswell, I just think it is a massive workload, and there is an awful lot of changes to consider more than you might even  think... That is why I have my opinion that I do and it's no disrespect to his modified Idea of corusant... I already thought about corusant  before and there is just too many Audio dubs and new scenes with main characters so what ever I am not going to involve myself in the corusant idea any further basically I am not interested and do not care for the PT at all they were all pretty crap IMO and to go to so much work in order to make ROTJ fit more with the PT is not an option for me.

I voted against having Bobba Fett flying out the sarlac pitt... It was never in my final suggestion, I waa still pondering what to do at that point the video of the rough cut I did is my suggestion which is:

1. Bobba shoots lukes Hand

2. Fly to the opposite sail barge (remove Han or even over to the right)

3. Bobba Get's decapitated

4. Fall in the sarlac

And the Video is there to back up my Idea....

I ditched the Idea of flying out because it was not easy to do and I found a better way simple as that. So perhaps you need to amend the vote on this as It was just ponderings I had not looked into it properly at that point.

I know you are not putting my ideas down, I'm not putting anyone elses down either... I simply trying to get your structure that you are proposing to work in a fluid way.... If I felt the structure did not need it I would not bother trying to fill the gaps or holes.

1. Currently you have an un-star wars like opening in your script and trying to introduce plot also

2. Padding out Vader going to DSII to allow more transition time for Luke whilst trying to introduce plot

3. Lukes transition whilst trying to introduce a bit more plot

4. Fix Bobba

I am trying to make everything focus towrds Luke Vs Vader and the Alliance vs the impending Doom of the Death star... I could use some help developing my ideas, if anyone would care to... I really hope somone can give me some inspiration like you said Darth_Ender flipping a star destroyer is perhaps a bit Obvious but every OT film opens with a star destroyer anyway and whats the big deal if it's another tantive it's alot more extremist blowing up your frigate like a suicide bomber than wait to be captured, who's to say Leia did not organise this ship for the Bothans? I was trying to show the opression and desperation in Galxy this way and kill "many bothans" but nobody has tried to help me develop this or suggest anything else and at the momment I cannot develop it any further  So either people do not like it, or cannot be bothered to think about it. It does not bother me though I'll pat myself on the back.

So when the vote is finalised if the Graphics team does not agree with the vote, and they refuse to work on possible ideas what do we do then? What if 2 ideas conflict?  What if people who voted for somthing clear off and stop participating but the direction stands and others still in are opposed against it? Collabrative fan-editing may have it's flaws and many people on here push their ideas without commenting on others or trying to help others.

I think Theodo done a good job of defending his idea for sure but it needs to be answered in real terms not explained to me. I get the explaination

Anyway Vote or no Vote let's keep going and we'll see where this leads...

Darth_Ender out of curiosity How many people have Voted?

Ha ha you flipped it! :)

Vast Improvement Overall, especially for wickett jumping about and the horn blow and the Pyre is much more dramatic. This is nice :)...Where is the shot of the forest after the horn blow? or was this for SE?

The Han and Leia theme goes on a bit longer in the SE I think I could be wrong.....

Good work, I want the jelousy gone mind, it has no place in my mind but what you have done is really good.

fishmanlee said:

Here we go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLidns6SSMM&feature=channel_video_title

That's awesome.

Only 9 votes so far.  Hoping for more tonight and tomorrow.  I really won't have much time to be the hub here pretty soon.

Yes, collaborative editing has its weaknesses, as does the democratic principle in general.  But it has its strengths which I'm hoping we can harness here.  Ronster, you got a new computer, and I hope you also buy some editing software because I believe with the building blocks we create here you can also make an edit closer to what you're hoping for.  I'm not trying to suggest you leave here, but if you do start your own project, you can even start your own thread where your followers can help you develop your own ideas, but ultimately it will be your own edit, telling the exact story you want to portray.

I'm sorry I missed some of those ideas, and I'm sure I missed more from everyone.  This is not the only vote, nor is it a legal contract.  It's merely a guide, so don't worry, we can bring up your ideas again.  Probably next time, I (since no one else is offering to do what I'm doing) will probably ask for you all to submit any suggestions you want up for consideration, and I will probably make an spreadsheet that you can submit and will send it to email addresses so I can ease the process of tallying everyone's votes.

I'm thinking we can ease the navigation of this thread by doing the following:

Everyone who has a contribution should have a single post where they link to all other posts or outside links.  For instance, fishmanlee, you should have a single post that you will always update when you add a Williams cue timed with the film.  I will then include your post in the original post where we can find all your cues easily.  I can do the same with my rough edits, Ronster's rough edits, scripts and segments, etc.  But everyone needs to have a single post that collects every idea of this nature and keep it updated while I link it to the first post.  Make sense?

Very powerful music clip, fishmanlee.  I especially like the final bit as Vader is burning.  These things are actually getting difficult for me to comment on because there are aspects I like about the original and aspects I prefer from these unused cues.  I don't know about everyone else, but I'm going to have a hard time choosing when these clips are up for inclusion.

yeah sounds good...  I have finished developing ideas now, I have it all completley roughly done with what I would like to do with an option to take it or leave it if it just will not work... So here are my Inputs

Bobba Fetts Demise

http://www.mediafire.com/?04r9tiqg35p6c6q

1. Moved Bobba's gun being chopped off to the end.

2. Moved the rope to the first attack Bobba makes

3. Fixed Lukes stupid Kick and removed Bobba flying in the air behind him

4. Moved Shot of the Barge geing hit again but removed Bobba

5. Removed Backgrounds when lukes hand gets hit so it appears that he is still on the nose of the skiff... Bobba shoots his Hand

6. New Shot for Bobba Taking to the sky for the second time

7. Removed Han hitting Bobbas Jet Pack

8. Bobba's head comes clean off and rests in the sand

9. Removed Bobbas head as he falls from the skiff into the sarlac pit

Final Act Incorporating Darth Enders Battle of Endor Suuestions - Basically plot suggestins and structural rough cut + Flash backs - Vader on Endor

http://www.mediafire.com/?286b58g9cda2gvb

Lukes Transition to Tattooine - Beggars Canyon

http://www.mediafire.com/?aqavinvcvq6fttv

Please try to remember that it is incomplete and the x-wing on tattooine is missing FX shots and audio samples too... aswell as Yoda needs Dubbing but it is for the purpose of structure I am doing this and trying to convey my ideas is the only way to mock it up... I hope you enjoy this storyboard video

The Exchange - Delivering the plans to the rebels

http://www.mediafire.com/?yh38u0d8a5dx831

The first shot is intended to be immediatley after the opening crawl

Basically Bobba Fett sends a transmission of the plans to home one after they pay him which would be displayed on the screen inside slave 1 after this all hell breaks loose

Audio lines are:

Rebels on radio bobas cockpit"Do you have it?"

Boba "After I get Paid"

after star destroyers jump in madine looks about " Star destroyers have enetered our sector!"

could use some pilots!!!

Madinde "prepare to make the jump to hyperspace on my mark" after he lost lots of souls bless him

Vaders lines from Interactive Boardgame undecided

To join the dots the audio in the briefing from mon mothma is changed to "The infomation brought to us(cut by the Bothan spies) pinpoints(add sss) the exact location of the deathstar" and "Many (cut Bothan spies) died bringing us this infomation"

Re-Cut Lapti-Nek

Link below... Hope you like it, I tried to get rid of the close up dodgy puppet singer and make it work including some SE footage also. Short and sweet and I think it works ok.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ndfubkhrsa1m6ix

Ideas not Yet Visualised

The Parting of Ways on Tattooine

The Lars Homestead Ruin and the Sandstorm

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Collaborative-Fanediting-An-ROTJ-Proposition-Second-round-of-voting-has-ended-Tally-completed-Link-in-first-post/post/559150/#TopicPost559150

darth_ender said:

So I've been thinking about the lack of originality to a second Death Star, and while I repeat that I don't have a problem with it, perhaps this will serve as something of compromise between those who think it is cliched and those who want to keep the same sort of threat.  It raises the stakes, too, but I worry that in a sense, it really is simply succumbing to the cliche of the same threat, only more.  But here is my thought anyway for your consideration:

Keep the Death Star in name and in many other respects, but make it more like the Centerpoint Station/Starbuster, capable of destroying stars from a great distance (and thus the surrounding planets).  I liked this idea from the Corellian Trilogy better than the Sun Crusher of the Jedi Academy Trilogy because of the nature of the weapon (a powerful tractor beam instead of dinky torpedoes) and the station (as opposed to an invincible little starship) both seemed better suited for such destructive capabilities.  The new DSII could still be a large space station shaped the same or similarly as it presently is in ROTJ, only it could be equipped with far more destructive technology, and therefore its destruction is even more urgent.

It's just a thought at the present, and I'm not even sure I like it, but what do you guys think?

Well here's an idea for a new weapon. Y'know the midsection of the Death Star? The kind of "line" that seperates the sphere horizantally?

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/ee/DeathStar2.jpg

How about have a laser that emenates from the mid-section kind of like a shockwave. It disables all ships it hits, making them useless in battle. The laser shockwave would look a lot like the explosion shockwave. 

http://pressdog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c53c653ef015434875dc7970c-800wi

It's just a suggestion. I don't even like the idea that much, but maybe you who want the Death Star II to have more "pizzaz" will.

It's not a bad idea the only thing that bothers me about it is that if it could do that it would ruin the space battle if it happened.... And show that what it could do so you would know that this was a space battle ruiner...

If it could teleport to differnt places that might solve TheOdos problems

Or we could just keep it the good ol' regular Death Star because Star Wars is at it's core, very very unoriginal. 

you could have it rolling down a hill on Endor with Han Solo running away from it?

^I am really okay with this.  And you are correct that Star Wars is really an amalgamation of many overused plot devices.  It does it so well, though, and as I said before, I personally have no problem with the Death Star remaining the exact way it is.  Just throwing out an idea for consideration.

EDIT: ^That's funny, Ron.

So I was looking around, and to ease the job of designing Victory Star Destroyers, should we end up using them, this website sell the 3d model:

http://www.the3dstudio.com/product_details.aspx?id_product=77771

It also sells models for a couple of other ships as well, so that could save some time.  We could all help pay for it if we go that route.  It would of course need weapons and texture, but it might be worth the $15.

Updated the first post.

Darth_ender's collection of ideas/contributions:

Battle of Endor edit (changes focus on land battle)

More recent Battle of Endor edit (changes the space battle too)

Edited ROTJ script

Lousy attempt at character impersonations for potential new lines

Errors in ROTJ

Most recently updated script/editing guide (as of 2/4/12)

Brief, decent quality Star Tours footage (could be used at Battle of Endor)

Star Tours nearly complete footage (interlaced, very yellow, highest quality)

Same as above, deinterlaced, attempted color correction

Star Wars Interactive Video Board Game movie (rared into 19 parts)

Ronster said:

 I already thought about corusant  before and there is just too many Audio dubs and new scenes with main characters so what ever I am not going to involve myself in the corusant idea any further basically I am not interested and do not care for the PT at all they were all pretty crap IMO and to go to so much work in order to make ROTJ fit more with the PT is not an option for me.

I agree completely. The reason I refer to this planet constantly as "the Imperial Capital" is to avoid associating it with the prequel planet Corsucant - though the two are very similar.

I'm interested in this idea more because I know it was once conceived of as a location in an early draft of Return of the Jedi, and I'd like to see this idea finally come to fruition after having been cancelled.

You can see Ralph McQuarrie's original concept art here, all created long before the prequels were even conceived of:

"Imperial Capital" streets: http://lostepisodes.fateback.com/graphics/pictures/conceptart-coruscant1.jpg

Imperial cities: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/books/art/coruscant1.jpg

Imperial Palace, Tower and Monuments: http://lostepisodes.fateback.com/graphics/pictures/conceptart-coruscant2.jpg

Entertainment District: http://awdsgn.com/classes/fall09/webI/student/trad_mw/mcnamara/rmq/images/coruscant_entertainment_district.jpg

Imperial Planet from space: http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2011/10/death_star_concept_by_ralph_mcquarrie.jpg

Imperial Monuments: http://www.loresdelsith.net/universo/galaxia/bin/monumentpark.jpg

...and there's more where that came from.

I can dig Ralph Mcquarrie art the guy is a genius but again that said, his ideas were raped for the PT's really and the budget would seem did not stretch to his final vision, like you said is a shame...

The only way to do these Ideas would build minitures of all the buildings CGI would look lame IMO

fishmanlee said:

Ben and Luke on Log: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USlGlb_D9DM

when I am done I will put them all in one post.

How do you Isolate the speech track then? so you can put the SFX and speech in the mix?

darth_ender said:

Darth_ender's collection of ideas/contributions:

Battle of Endor edit

Edited ROTJ script

Lousy attempt at character impersonations for potential new lines

Errors in ROTJ

Is this your new cut?

Edit: Ok I see it's the old one.... How do I link to individual post?

Unfortunately no.  I've really spent more time trying to get this silly thing uploaded than I expected.  It's currently in six 100 mg pieces but here at the library it is so slow to upload.  I'm about to head home and will upload it on my own Internet which will hopefully be faster.  It will then have to be combined into one video.  I didn't think this would be so much trouble, and I've had computer troubles on top.  I really will get this up today if I have to kill myself.  In retrospect, that sounds a bit extreme, but I really will get this up today.

darth_ender said:

Unfortunately no.  I've really spent more time trying to get this silly thing uploaded than I expected.  It's currently in six 100 mg pieces but here at the library it is so slow to upload.  I'm about to head home and will upload it on my own Internet which will hopefully be faster.  It will then have to be combined into one video.  I didn't think this would be so much trouble, and I've had computer troubles on top.  I really will get this up today if I have to kill myself.  In retrospect, that sounds a bit extreme, but I really will get this up today.

why don't you just winrar it?

Split into pieces in Winrar.... Then you unpack from the first rar file....

When you do the rough cut why you not select 512kbs video for broadband when exporting it will be more manageable it's only a rough after all.