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Um, this thread is closed.  We're not good enough for it, remember?

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You know what? I agree with not releasing the restoration too. Now, what WOULD be interesting is information about the techniques used to do it, for OTHER, maybe non-SW related restoration efforts. ;)

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I appreciate this effort, and I'm sure it's intrinsically valuable.

For me personally, however, the efforts of harmy and dark jedi are far more valuable.

Why? Because my kids, right now, are kids. And I want them to see the OT as kids.

If art can't be appreciated, did it ever really happen?

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TServo2049 said:

I understand completely why he's not releasing it, and I support him all the way. Kevin Brownlow continued to restore Abel Gance's Napoleon for decades, even while Francis Ford Coppola and the other rights holders prevented him from making it available to the public. Now, all parties have worked things out and it's finally going to be screened in Oakland, CA this coming spring. I think Mike has the same general mindset - he says it's not being made to sit on a hard drive, it's going to be "available to the future" when circumstances change. He calls it an investment, and I totally agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaDlP-kmzWk

This is a detail from the Mos Eisley shot he just posted. I think it's clear now that he's working from a high-quality (possibly IB Technicolor) print scanned in 4K.

I tell you, this detail-recovery thing looks amazing, and I get how it basically works. In a stationary shot like this every frame of a print has a different part of the negative detail in it, and he's taking all that detail and combining it back together.

Pardon me if I sound like a sycophant, I'm not, I'm just amazed by what he's doing and I support it.

That looks an awful lot like dvnr to me whether applied lightly or not.

Without a moving image you cannot tell if it has edge enhancement to recover detail, as he calls it.

This process of his seems an awful lot like lowrys algorithm, but instead he does this shot by shot.  No studio is going to comb through a film frame by frame.

 

 

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Grain is not as inherent to Star Wars as you think Skyjedi.  Read through more of the thread.  We've always seen transfers from beat-up, poorly mastered editions after all... right?

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TServo2049 said:

I understand completely why he's not releasing it, and I support him all the way. Kevin Brownlow continued to restore Abel Gance's Napoleon for decades, even while Francis Ford Coppola and the other rights holders prevented him from making it available to the public. Now, all parties have worked things out and it's finally going to be screened in Oakland, CA this coming spring. I think Mike has the same general mindset - he says it's not being made to sit on a hard drive, it's going to be "available to the future" when circumstances change. He calls it an investment, and I totally agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaDlP-kmzWk

This is a detail from the Mos Eisley shot he just posted. I think it's clear now that he's working from a high-quality (possibly IB Technicolor) print scanned in 4K.

I tell you, this detail-recovery thing looks amazing, and I get how it basically works. In a stationary shot like this every frame of a print has a different part of the negative detail in it, and he's taking all that detail and combining it back together.

Pardon me if I sound like a sycophant, I'm not, I'm just amazed by what he's doing and I support it

Judging from his website, youtube channel etc. and his posts here this guy is just an egomaniac and narcissist of epic proportions. All he writes and does only serves one purpose: getting attention.

He has no intention in sharing his resources or final result just because it gives himself a feeling of superiority, to be able to deny others what they want.

It really is a pity that such an douchebag is doing this project and not a decent person.

 

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bkev said:

Grain is not as inherent to Star Wars as you think Skyjedi.  Read through more of the thread.  We've always seen transfers from beat-up, poorly mastered editions after all... right?

Grain is inherent to film and everything captured with it, as Star Wars was.

How finely and accurately that grain structure is resolved depends on how it is scanned (the quality of scanning equipment and the resolution it's scanned at,) the material you're sourcing it from (original camera negatives opposed to some other silly shit,) and how it's mastered/encoded/finalized/etc.  Removing said grain inherent to the source is the polar opposite of being faithful to the original presentation.

All of the greatest modern film transfers are accurate to their original sources. They replicate (or attempt to) their original grain structures as faithfully as possible. The more DNR a presentation exhibits the more detail is ultimately lost (for those movies originally shot on film), there are no exceptions.

 

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I was real confused when Mr. Verta returned and everyone was being civil to him...now it looks like everything is right back to normal.

 

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Removing said grain inherent to the source is the polar opposite of being faithful to the original presentation.

You missed the part where he said he puts the grain back in when he's done.

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Asaki said:

I was real confused when Mr. Verta returned and everyone was being civil to him...now it looks like everything is right back to normal.

 

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Removing said grain inherent to the source is the polar opposite of being faithful to the original presentation.

You missed the part where he said he puts the grain back in when he's done.

That's nice, what he says makes no sense.

He provides absolutely no evidence for any of this. He provides no information whatsoever as to what source(s) he's working with, or from where he's sourcing his comparison screens (and when it is crystal clear it's just a simple color regrading). It's all tiny snips of frames with no time stamps given, all extremely vague. Screens like that Star Wars 4K crawl cap look absolutely bizarre and extremely photoshopped. The shit he releases to tout his progress look more like the Zapruder Film than any legitimate tech showcase.

If his sources were so superior, honestly, do you think he'd suddenly have to go back and redo the entire project at the exact same time the BD is released? Does that not seem like a bizarre coincidence to you? Please. He's doing the same thing Harmy is doing, except this guy isn't releasing his work. 

 

-Mr. Dinkins

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Stinky-Dinkins said:

If his sources were so superior, honestly, do you think he'd suddenly have to go back and redo the entire project at the exact same time the BD is released? Does that not seem like a bizarre coincidence to you? Please. He's doing the same thing Harmy is doing, except this guy isn't releasing his work. 

OK then, explain this:

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I can explain it:  the loudest guys in this thread are stupefyingly ignorant blowhards.  It's a lot of Walter Pecks shouting about the fakery of it all with all the righteous pomp of a Dunning-Kruger test case.


That said, TServo, help me keep the site goodies for members only; lots of reasons.  We'll use, like, the honor system.  Cool?

 

You may now return to accusing me of feeling superior, yet spending all your energy constantly talking about me for three straight days after I've left the room.

 

_Mike

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mverta said:

I can explain it:  the loudest guys in this thread are stupefyingly ignorant blowhards.  It's a lot of Walter Pecks shouting about the fakery of it all.


That said, TServo, help me keep the site goodies for members only; lots of reasons.  We'll use, like, the honor system.  Cool?

 

You may now return to accusing me of feeling superior, yet spending all your energy constantly talking about me for three straight days after I've left the room.

 

_Mike

I'll likely be banned for this.

Look! Three days later you're here again demonstrating your stupefyingly tremendous ego. I'm shocked. Why not pull your head out of your ass and realize that the real problem isn't the veracity of your work, but rather that you are an asshole.

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I think the mods should close this thread before it degenerates into a flame war.

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I think the mods should close this thread before any aliens who might be reading it give up on humanity entirely.  As the OP, Jay, please give these guys something else shiny to play with.

 

_Mike

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Dear Mr. Verta,

Why are you still posting here?  Why are you even still reading this thread?

I agree with you - this joke of a thread should be locked.  And then we can all go about our business.

You said you were going away.  Please mean what you say.

Sincerely,
Mr. Frink

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TV's Frink said:

Dear Mr. Verta,

Why are you still posting here?  Why are you even still reading this thread?

I agree with you - this joke of a thread should be locked.  And then we can all go about our business.

You said you were going away.  Please mean what you say.

Sincerely,
Mr. Frink

What he said.

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Actually, it's my thread, that's why I might read it.  The question is why are you still reading the thread?

Just can't get enough of me, I guess. 

You get yourself all worked up over somebody that has absolutely zero value in your life; couldn't matter less.  But you just can't help yourself: you have to watch, and you have to shout and stamp your feet. You have to really let me know what a jerk you think I am, 'cause, like, that'll really show me.  And if not, then at least you've done your good deed for the day of just reaching out and hurting somebody you actually don't know at all.  That's what passes for your discourse.

It's delusional to think you know somebody from a handful of posts on a forum, it's infantile to get worked up over somebody who doesn't matter in your life, it's telling that you keep checking the thread and participating, it's malicious that you take all those opportunities just to hurt somebody, and it's naive to think I actually give a crap.

 

I'd say see ya on my forum, but we don't serve your kind there.

 

_Mike

 

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mverta said:

It's a lot of Walter Pecks shouting about the fakery of it all with all the righteous pomp of a Dunning-Kruger test case.
Are you Dennis Miller?

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Jaskoen said:

 

mverta said:

It's a lot of Walter Pecks shouting about the fakery of it all with all the righteous pomp of a Dunning-Kruger test case.
Are you Dennis Miller?

 

That's Mr. Miller to you.

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Mr. Verta said:

Actually, it's my thread, that's why I might read it.  The question is why are you still reading the thread?

Just can't get enough of me, I guess. 

If you knew anything about me, you would understand that there's nothing I love here more than a trainwreck.  And this has just moved to the top of the list.

_frink

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Jaskoen said:

 

mverta said:

It's a lot of Walter Pecks shouting about the fakery of it all with all the righteous pomp of a Dunning-Kruger test case.
Are you Dennis Miller?

 

You win this thread. Genuine LOL, from someone who used to watch Dennis Miller Live never knowing quite what the hell he was referencing half the time.

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He still didn't answer any of the questions in my post.

 

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Sounds to me from what Mike is talking about is that this is a hobby that means a lot to him personally yet it is not of any importance in the real world.

If he works in an official capacity as a composer than his credentials are not in film restoration and preservation.

He is no Robert Harris and he does not have access to the negative in the Lucasfilm archives.

He does not have the raw stock and select takes, the IN or IP, the sep masters etc.

Nor is it in any way possible he has access to a pristine technicolor print that has been screened not that many times like GL archival copy.

Great as the technicolor prints look when screened they are not a good source for a restoration, though i am sure others as well as myself would not mind a BD scan of the Technicolor print. 

It would not be what you would use for a restoration, except maybe color reference? A restoration would mean having the oot in exhibition form for generations to come.

Not just a home video release.

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I can't see any use in letting this continue. Thread locked.

 

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