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What was the worst scene in....................................The Phantom Menace?

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In the climax of the film Jar Jar Binks destroys several Destroyer Droids/Droidekas (seriously, what kind of stupid name is droidekas?!). He does this BY ACCIDENT because a regular battle droid is stuck to his leg and he is hopping all around causing the droids blaster rifle to go off an shoot other droids. Lest you forget - it had been established earlier in the film that two Jedi were hard pressed facing an equal number of these droids (indeed, they are forced to retreat), yet this "loathsome cunt" is able to defeat one.

Fuck you George.

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The worst scene in TPM was the one that took place after the title crawl until right before the end credits.

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He shoots it's leg off by accident and it falls over.

I assume if goes into battle with it's shields down which makes a lot of sense.

He also releases the balls by accident (knocking out many tanks and droids) and makes a hover tank veer and fire on other tanks before crashing by accident.

Seeing as Anakin destroys the droid command ship by accident too there seems to be a whole lot of happy accidents going on during that conflict, like having all the droids get their power and commands from a single source.

Presumably this is why ROTJ is the very last ever episode of the saga because George thinks Palpatine is the only thing the holding the Empire together too.

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Loads of happy accidents resulting in defeating the bad guys,... makes it a bit like a Pink Panther movie.

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Bingowings said:

He shoots it's leg off by accident and it falls over.

I assume if goes into battle with it's shields down which makes a lot of sense.

He also releases the balls by accident (knocking out many tanks and droids) and makes a hover tank veer and fire on other tanks before crashing by accident.

Seeing as Anakin destroys the droid command ship by accident too there seems to be a whole lot of happy accidents going on during that conflict, like having all the droids get their power and commands from a single source.

Presumably this is why ROTJ is the very last ever episode of the saga because George thinks Palpatine is the only thing the holding the Empire together too.

Duh.... it was The Force...

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George thinks Palpatine is the only thing the holding the Empire together too.

 Well if ignore the expanded universe, he is.

And the worst scene in TPM is the scene is Tatooine. So much little happens, aside from them picking Anakin.

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A fleet of over two thousand starships, a limitless supply of troops and characters like Tarkin would love to debate this with you.

The Emperor equating with the Empire was another Lucas ROTJ introduced short cut to an ending element.

Almost any scene in Coruscant is snore inducing too.

Ian is always good for a laugh but everyone else seems to be waiting for their paycheck.

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The dinner table scene with everyone in the Skywalker's home always struck me as a microcosm of so many of the dubious elements in the films. Bad comedy with Jar Jar, numerous reminders of the idiot plot (apparently Qui-gon and company can't trade with anyone else for a smaller ship?), horrendous dialogue, and the acting, oh lord the acting. Lloyd is cringe inducing, Jar-Jar is in full shucking and jiving mode, Portman & Neeson feel like they're practically asleep, and Pernilla August seems as if belongs in a whole other movie. 

Its basically at this scene that I sunk in my theater seat and realized that I didn't care about any of these characters. There was nothing engaging about them, and that his was likely the best it was getting.

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theprequelsrule, there are better ways to make a point without using profanity and other offensive terms. Keep it clean?

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CWBorne said:

The dinner table scene with everyone in the Skywalker's home always struck me as a microcosm of so many of the dubious elements in the films. Bad comedy with Jar Jar, numerous reminders of the idiot plot (apparently Qui-gon and company can't trade with anyone else for a smaller ship?), horrendous dialogue, and the acting, oh lord the acting. Lloyd is cringe inducing, Jar-Jar is in full shucking and jiving mode, Portman & Neeson feel like they're practically asleep, and Pernilla August seems as if belongs in a whole other movie. 

Its basically at this scene that I sunk in my theater seat and realized that I didn't care about any of these characters. There was nothing engaging about them, and that his was likely the best it was getting.

Ironically, Lucas commented on that scene that he felt like it was a potentially boring drag to the more actioney pace of the film, but had to be there to provid some exposition etc.

Now, everyone will say "what, Lucas doesn't want dialogue, just 'splosions, well figures!!"
It really turned out to be a problem, but only because it sucked so much :D

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twooffour said:

CWBorne said:

The dinner table scene with everyone in the Skywalker's home always struck me as a microcosm of so many of the dubious elements in the films. Bad comedy with Jar Jar, numerous reminders of the idiot plot (apparently Qui-gon and company can't trade with anyone else for a smaller ship?), horrendous dialogue, and the acting, oh lord the acting. Lloyd is cringe inducing, Jar-Jar is in full shucking and jiving mode, Portman & Neeson feel like they're practically asleep, and Pernilla August seems as if belongs in a whole other movie. 

Its basically at this scene that I sunk in my theater seat and realized that I didn't care about any of these characters. There was nothing engaging about them, and that his was likely the best it was getting.

Ironically, Lucas commented on that scene that he felt like it was a potentially boring drag to the more actioney pace of the film, but had to be there to provid some exposition etc.

Now, everyone will say "what, Lucas doesn't want dialogue, just 'splosions, well figures!!"
It really turned out to be a problem, but only because it sucked so much :D

Well the thing thing is, you can have slower scenes, provided something interesting is going on and the characters seem like they, you know, give a damn. 

Look at the scene with Owen, Beru, and Luke in ANH. The former two are able to tell so much with facial expression alone, and you can clearly tell that something larger is going on than just what's being said. Also, in a remarkable twist, Owen and Luke are clearly shown as getting upset, as if they're passionate about something. Remarkable, isn't it? 

I typically hate reworking scenes from the films, because so much is just bad that trying to fix them seems fruitless, but I'll give it a shot here. What if there was an obvious undertone/subtext of Shmi being very nervous about taking in these mysterious strangers in her house, and some subtle signs that Qui-Gonn senses that she might just alert some authorities and isn't sure if he can trust her or her son? You have Padme trying to engage in some talk with Shmi (the latter only giving her a look when she brings up the Republic's anti-slavery laws), but the whole scene is rife with tension because no one's sure who will do what.

Thus when Anakin does speak up about getting them the part (and it would be the first time he does in this scene having just observed beforehand) it takes everybody a bit back and is a demonstration of the boy's innocence and kindness that in spite of the obvious difficult atmosphere, his first instinct is to help. Do that and have Jar Jar keep his mouth shut the whole time, and just maybe this bit would seem a bit more lively. 

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Sounds very awesome, as a possibility.

Personally, what got on my nerves the most was the whole cheesy... SWEETNESS of it all.
Ani is like the perfect kid with a cute face who wants to help everyone, Shmi is like the perfect caring mother who doesn't want him to get in danger, but then after one line of dialogue she changes her mind and says "he was destined to help you" (probably the worst line delivery in the scene - after "blow you up, BOOM!"), Ani is all excited about going into the car chase but then his mommy forbids it and he's like "but, Mom... I like it so very much"...

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just horrendous.

Dial down that childish bullshit, and it would already be bearable.

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CWBorne said:

The dinner table scene with everyone in the Skywalker's home always struck me as a microcosm of so many of the dubious elements in the films. Bad comedy with Jar Jar, numerous reminders of the idiot plot (apparently Qui-gon and company can't trade with anyone else for a smaller ship?), horrendous dialogue, and the acting, oh lord the acting. Lloyd is cringe inducing, Jar-Jar is in full shucking and jiving mode, Portman & Neeson feel like they're practically asleep, and Pernilla August seems as if belongs in a whole other movie. 

Its basically at this scene that I sunk in my theater seat and realized that I didn't care about any of these characters. There was nothing engaging about them, and that his was likely the best it was getting.

 

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finding the worse scene in TPM is like debating the worse player on the Bears offensive line.  But this is a microcosm.

i actually didn't think jake lloyd was that bad in this scene - thought he was pretty good taking initiative and volunteeering to pod race.

natalie portman was pathetic but it was also her dialog.  we all know lucas cannot write dialog (he also is not competant in other aspects of screen-writing and this is often overlooked), whats baffling is his choice of words.  The group is stuck on tatooine because they cant barter for parts.  padme frets about this predicament by saying:

"these junk dealers must have a  weakness of some kind"

wtf?!  "weakness" ?  are they trying to kill a junk dealer like some nintendo game end-level boss?  is watto gonna be blown up like the death star?! is this really the best way to phrase this!?  wouldn't "theres gotta be something watto wants that he doesn't have"  make a little more sense? true, its stating the obvious but i just thought that line was so ridiculous it took me out of the story each time.  kinda like in episode III when mace windu says "a sith...lord?"  I never brought this up because when going through the litany of issues for the PT, its way down there and I dind't want to be accused of nit-picking, but it stuff like that hurt the movie.

Pernilla august was not good either but the character of shmi sucked up until she and anakin parted ways.  I just didn't like how the scene ended with her giving anakin the green light after just meeting everyone.  I think there should have been more time and more opportunity for everyone to see how special Anakin was.  When I saw the teaser trailer in 1998 and she said these lines (and sounded much better) I thought it would have occured at the exact moment qui-gon asked her permission to take anakin with him to the Jedi.  for no other reason than it just wouldn't have made any sense prior in the story. 

as for jar jar - the bit with liam catching his tongue probably would have been funny, unfortunately by the time we get to this point in the movie, we are so sick of him it just pisses us off more.

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Qui-Gon is the only funny thing in the Jar Jar gags.

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There's so much to choose, but if I had to pick one as the worst it would be the underwater city scene. It looks fake, it has the "you're in big doodoo" line, the fat frog drooling, the Jedi being incredibly boring, it's so badly shot it's not even clear that Qui-Gon is using a mind trick, etc...

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Diego said:

it's so badly shot it's not even clear that Qui-Gon is using a mind trick, etc...

I have no love for the Gungan city scenes but I'd call the mind trick subtle rather than poorly shot.

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SilverWook said:

theprequelsrule, there are better ways to make a point without using profanity and other offensive terms. Keep it clean?

Will do. My apologies.

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I'd have to say the scene just after lil' annie wins the pod race where kitster and baby greedo attempt but "whiff" a high five.  I think its symbolic for the entire PT

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In my opinion, the worst scene is R2's introduction sequence on the queen's ship. It's just so painfully ham-fisted and cringe-inducing. "Look, kids! It's R2-D2! Remember him? From those other Star Wars movies? Well here he is, and he saved the day!! Neat, huh? But wait! In just a few minutes, you'll get to see how he met C-3p0 for the very first time!" *facepalm*

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walking_carpet said:

+1

finding the worse scene in TPM is like debating the worse player on the Bears offensive line.  But this is a microcosm.

+10

There was a lot of suckage in TPM: Anakin is a cutesy 10 year old.  Slavery is bad.  Yippee!  That's gotta hurt no matter what planet you come from.  Boss Nass.  Anakin destroys the command center by accident.

It's really hard for me to pinpoint the one singular moment of the movie that is the worst.  What sticks out the worst in my mind is the two headed announcer during the pod race.  The need to inject really bad comic relief moments every few minutes just wears you down after a while.

I ignore the prequels, more or less.  I much prefer the version of the prequels that was built up in my mind when Obi Wan speaks of the Old Republic, the Jedi and how Anakin was a great friend and great pilot.

I've seen the fan edits of TPM and AOTC, and while they greatly improve the pacing and the dramatic tension, they are still not nearly as good as the original trilogy.

Perhaps those web articles were right: it was George's ex-wife who edited the original Star Wars into the space opera grand masterpiece that it was.  Empire Strikes Back is superior in many ways to it's predecessor, and George Lucas delegated the script and the direction to other talented individuals.  While ROTJ was still a very good film, one can recognize many of the bad elements of the prequels starting to creep in here.  A foreboding of things to come.