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Bingowings said:

You really have to be careful when adapting themes from one fictional universe into another.

James Horner's Aliens soundtrack was really cheapened because he obviously recycled his Klingons theme from Star Trek III and even lifted from queues from the Star Wars soundtrack.

Even to this day I keep thinking the Bird Of Prey is going to lift Ripley off that landing platform.

Your adaptation of music from Superman in my view is too recognisable to be used in a Star Wars film.

Taking the odd sweeps and crash etc are fine but bending whole themes cheapens some of the really good work you have done.

It's your edit naturally but if I'm constantly hearing Smallville, for me it's hard to concentrate on a galaxy far, far away.

THANK YOU.

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Bingowings said:

You really have to be careful when adapting themes from one fictional universe into another.

James Horner's Aliens soundtrack was really cheapened because he obviously recycled his Klingons theme from Star Trek III and even lifted from queues from the Star Wars soundtrack.

Even to this day I keep thinking the Bird Of Prey is going to lift Ripley off that landing platform.

Your adaptation of music from Superman in my view is too recognisable to be used in a Star Wars film.

Taking the odd sweeps and crash etc are fine but bending whole themes cheapens some of the really good work you have done.

It's your edit naturally but if I'm constantly hearing Smallville, for me it's hard to concentrate on a galaxy far, far away.

 Very wise words, but it's not like I have copy/paste 1 hour of Superman soundtrack.

I have made one mistake : copy/paste "Leaving home" orchestration and progression :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrnmMVi46E8

 

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rpvee said:

HOWEVER, could we please see this "in action"??  I really wanna see how this one fits, exactly.

Also, are you not using Across the Stars?  Will Anakin and Padme have a love theme?

 yeah coming soon

Sorry but no more Accross the star...I don't really love it. There is no more romance in my AOTC cut (the love story is implied)

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The Cutter said:

Let's go now to a darker mood...

Here is the new music for the last meeting between Padme and Anakin :

"Consumed by the Darkside"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dPGYKniuSc

 

cutting process video and new edit coming soon...

Fantastic... Can't wait to see this with some footage!

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The Cutter said:

Bingowings said:

You really have to be careful when adapting themes from one fictional universe into another.

James Horner's Aliens soundtrack was really cheapened because he obviously recycled his Klingons theme from Star Trek III and even lifted from queues from the Star Wars soundtrack.

Even to this day I keep thinking the Bird Of Prey is going to lift Ripley off that landing platform.

Your adaptation of music from Superman in my view is too recognisable to be used in a Star Wars film.

Taking the odd sweeps and crash etc are fine but bending whole themes cheapens some of the really good work you have done.

It's your edit naturally but if I'm constantly hearing Smallville, for me it's hard to concentrate on a galaxy far, far away.

 Very wise words, but it's not like I have copy/paste 1 hour of Superman soundtrack.

I have made one mistake : copy/paste "Leaving home" orchestration and progression :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrnmMVi46E8

 

Very good explanation, and I agree... Especially with John Williams. He's done so much that at times two themes sound very similar. You could have also easily compared the Hook theme with the Harry Potter theme as well.

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The Cutter said:

rpvee said:

HOWEVER, could we please see this "in action"??  I really wanna see how this one fits, exactly.

Also, are you not using Across the Stars?  Will Anakin and Padme have a love theme?

 yeah coming soon

Sorry but no more Accross the star...I don't really love it. There is no more romance in my AOTC cut (the love story is implied)

The way I see it remedied (and the way I intend to handle it) is to make the love story more straight forward. He loves her, she loves him. No more conflict. The only conflict is keeping it quiet. No more, "We live in a real world, Ani... Come back to it!)  Which real world is she referring to anyway? =/

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The Cutter said:

Bingowings said:

You really have to be careful when adapting themes from one fictional universe into another.

James Horner's Aliens soundtrack was really cheapened because he obviously recycled his Klingons theme from Star Trek III and even lifted from queues from the Star Wars soundtrack.

Even to this day I keep thinking the Bird Of Prey is going to lift Ripley off that landing platform.

Your adaptation of music from Superman in my view is too recognisable to be used in a Star Wars film.

Taking the odd sweeps and crash etc are fine but bending whole themes cheapens some of the really good work you have done.

It's your edit naturally but if I'm constantly hearing Smallville, for me it's hard to concentrate on a galaxy far, far away.

 Very wise words, but it's not like I have copy/paste 1 hour of Superman soundtrack.

I have made one mistake : copy/paste "Leaving home" orchestration and progression :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrnmMVi46E8

 

See, the "second part" of the theme is just fine.  It's the first part that is a direct copy and paste (not just in terms of orchestration, but also the very notes themselves).  Maybe then just come up with a different, non-Superman first part and then everyone lives happily ever after? haha

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I kinda like it.

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Hey Cutter, I just want to say how thrilled I am at the work you're doing on this! The Vader-birth scene and the addition of dialog to start the opening space battle are FANTASTIC! It makes the introduction of the two starfighters so much more poignant and makes the comradery between the two much more felt. 

A couple nights ago, I stumbled upon your Vader redo on youtube, and was in HEAVEN! This is exactly how I always imagined it to be! The sound effects when the mask is being attached are so palpable and gorgeous. The music is WAY more ideal. The whole thing is the way it should have been.

I googled your project, found this site, and after reading through this thread, would like to share some thoughts if you don't mind...

 

 

1. VADER BIRTH
- After watching both of your dubs, I am very strongly in the camp that "it" is far better than "she".  It makes for a much colder, machine-like, chilling transformation. To really bring home the chill of a man reborn as a machine, it makes much more sense for him to be using words that refer to things rather than people.

It also makes perfect sense in English, because as a native speaker of English, I immediately took "it no longer has any meaning for me" to simply be a more Vaderish way of saying "it doesn't matter". "It" doesn't refer to Padme, it refers to the issue of Padme. This adds extra depth, because this is more like how machines think (situations, not personalities), and its also the thought process that becomes apparent whenever men like Anakin begin to lose their humanity. Anakin had become willing to slaughter innocent people because he'd already begun focusing more on the situation/issue/task than the actual people involved. It's the diabolical tunnel vision of a quintessential ruthless general.

The use of "she" goes back to Vader acknowledging and thinking about a person. Yes, later on in the saga, as Vader's character is developed throughout the OT, the deeply suppressed human side goes through a process of resurfacing, but in the epiphanal moment of a Vader being born into existence, it's critical that the cold machinery take the full spotlight. I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know (given your alread masterful treatment of the scene), just helping you reinforce this point I suppose. "She no longer has any meaning to me" just sounds too human, too Ani-like (and i used the nickname "Ani" there on purpose ;) ). 

 

 

2. MACE vs PALP
- ok, I know I have an absolutely terrible chance at persuading you or probably anyone on this lol, but I need to express it anyway just to have it on the record among perspectives:

Believe it or not, I have always really really liked the wacky "no, no, no's", crazy faces, etc from Palp in that scene. I totally understand the dissent from so many ppl, but from the first time I saw the film to now, it has always intensified the moment because of it's wackiness. Here's the thing, it doesn't hit me as stupidly comical. It's WEIRDLY "quasi-comical" in a way that adds a ton of tension to the scene, because it feels like the whole spirit and atmosphere in the room is going haywire!

Its like a startling/unnerving "WTF" that shoots me deeper INTO the moment rather than a stupid/ridiculous "WTF" that pulls me out. Its similar to the feeling one might get when watching a person make a funny face because their brain is having a stroke. I know palp isn't technically having a stroke, but he is experiencing some kind of diabolical transformation...I'm just using an example trying to explain the intense erratic tension that can be felt through the marriage of absurdity and gravity

There! I got that off my chest lol.  show your signature

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Also, The work you've done with the Grievous-Obi battle is very nice. The sound is more basic, but definitely more dynamic and enjoyable to me.

And on a personal note: Go French! lol (I have a lot of family from France) 

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The Cutter said:

Here is Obi-Wan and Anakin's theme in action :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O08AxVPoiHQ

At the beginning of the clip I noticed that you will be including the Padme deleted scenes. Have you thought of having a subtle version of the 'rebel motif' during those scenes. Perhaps played on a clarinet? By Rebel Motif I mean this theme...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQEwTm8iWAI

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Jonatello said:

2. MACE vs PALP
- ok, I know I have an absolutely terrible chance at persuading you or probably anyone on this lol,

 lol

Anyway, thanks for the kind words !

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greenpenguino said:

At the beginning of the clip I noticed that you will be including the Padme deleted scenes. Have you thought of having a subtle version of the 'rebel motif' during those scenes. Perhaps played on a clarinet? By Rebel Motif I mean this theme...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQEwTm8iWAI

 why not, I can try this, but I have already planed to create a variation of this theme :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewMF2evjjYM&t=16s

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fishmanlee said:

Maybe you could mingle them together?

That would be cool.

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Quick idea from me. Don't look at the technical aspect, because it was done very quickly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK-3UNRm-yk

It's only an idea. I know you already replaced this moment with your Obi Wan Anakin theme, but I think that at the moment, when they say "may the force be with you", there should be a force theme presented. That would be a great continuity with OT.

Another idea I had in mind was about burned Anakin on Mustafar. Originaly, there was no dialog in this scene, so I tried to do something like this.

Original music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g98kvH83y5g

Force theme version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0voGuaYEOM

But as I said, this was very quick made.

Kenkraly about this site:

Those trolls at originaltrilogy.com are mean and disrespectfull.

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The first one was very fitting.  The Mustafar ones I didn't like as much.  Especially the second one, WAY too happy.

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Cutter do you remember Eastern Germany's anthem? I think it (both its "tender" and its "epic" parts) might be a good base for an Anakin/ObiWan theme (if you are still open to change it), or any other "heroic" motiv you want/need to do; it has some kind of solemnity that makes me think of what we imagined the Jedis were when you see just the OT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SHPndn_5Y8

 

"Tender-friendship" part: from 0:18 to 0:40

"Epic" part: 0:40 to 0:51

 

 

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Hey man I like you Qui gon voice over stuff. Very cool.

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dear god ... i cannot say how much i love ur edits in Episode III ... awesome, really good work ... keep it up!

The Force is strong with this one ! ;)

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The Cutter said:

Jonatello said:

2. MACE vs PALP
- ok, I know I have an absolutely terrible chance at persuading you or probably anyone on this lol,

 lol

Anyway, thanks for the kind words !

 

absolutely :)

so any chance of going back to "it" instead of "she" ?

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Jonatello said:

so any chance of going back to "it" instead of "she" ?

"That no longer has any meaning for me." Makes more sense than "it" in your argument.

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Tobar said:

Jonatello said:

so any chance of going back to "it" instead of "she" ?

"That no longer has any meaning for me." Makes more sense than "it" in your argument.

when someone says something you don't care about, you don't say "that doesn't matter" ... you say "it doesn't matter"

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Yes but he's not saying "it doesn't matter." That's an entirely different sentence than "It no longer has any meaning for me." Now read these examples out loud and tell me which sounds better:

"It no longer has any meaning for me. Now I know the power of the dark side."

"That no longer has any meaning for me. Now I know the power of the dark side."

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Except "that" wouldn't make sense.  Saying "that no longer" would mean her death no longer has any meaning for him, but he would have JUST found out about it.  "She" fits better.