Revenge Of The Cut - Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith (* unfinished project *) — Page 17

mrbenja0618 said:

it's ok to be a drastic variation in this case because technically this would be the first time you hear the theme anyway.

No, it wouldn't be ok.  If this is the first time a viewer heard the theme, they'd think it was the actual theme, and then be confused when it's never heard that way ever again.

NO, don't make a permanent change to Leia's theme... you don't want to go changing Williams' work.  Keep Leia's theme as Leia's theme, and I insist that you make its VERY PROMINENT use in this scene on Alderaan be the actual theme, NOT a variation.  The dark undertones can still be there.

rpvee said:

NO, don't make a permanent change to Leia's theme...

Yes...my master

It was a joke ("not if the real Leia' s theme becomes now a variation of this one ;" ) I don't want to make a permanent change to Leia's theme... just thinking about a way to introduce it  before my sad version...so we can clearly understand that this is only a variation, an expression of Padme's sadness.

Personally, I think the choir in the beginning sounds more threatening than sad.

I do however love the lower key 'echo' in the theme.

(Cutter, I know I've asked this before, but could you give us all a rough estimate of when all this eye/ear-candy is finished? :P)

Loconut said:

Personally, I think the choir in the beginning sounds more threatening than sad.

I do however love the lower key 'echo' in the theme.

(Cutter, I know I've asked this before, but could you give us all a rough estimate of when all this eye/ear-candy is finished? :P)

The choirs have not the purpose to sound sad, but mysterious and magic - The sad part is only with Padme's shot. I want here something tourmented and it doesn't work with the real Leia's theme, it's too "beautiful and peacefull"

The edit will be released few months after the blu-ray release

For you rpvee :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZkLV1KgWI

I think will lose here the tourmented mood

The Cutter said:

Loconut said:

Personally, I think the choir in the beginning sounds more threatening than sad.

 

The choirs have not the purpose to sound sad, but mysterious and magic - The sad part is only with Padme's shot. I want here something tourmented and it doesn't work with the real Leia's theme, it's too "beautiful and peacefull"

The edit will be released few months after the blu-ray release

Nice to hear. Would you consider an alternative choir though? Maybe one that sings a crescendo? It now somehow has a haunted ghost sound...

Please let the record show I'm merely giving a personal opinion, a fresh perspective :)

I think the new ending works exceptionally well.

Personally I think the music fits, it has some eerie undertones which suit the uncertain fate of both Padfme & the galaxy as a whole.

The colours in padme's shot give the clue that the shot is from another movie. You plan to do something about that cutter? Maybe increasing the saturation?

Loconut said:

Nice to hear. Would you consider an alternative choir though? Maybe one that sings a crescendo? It now somehow has a haunted ghost sound...

 

ah ah ! well, seen this way...

the new soundtrack I am working on is still work in progress, things may change, I need time to think and make the necessary improvements.

this is not an easy challenge to try to "get into" Williams head and created a music that is not offensive to him.

Mithrandir said:

The colours in padme's shot give the clue that the shot is from another movie. You plan to do something about that cutter? Maybe increasing the saturation?

Yes many things can be done here -  I tinkered quickly some knobs on Sony Vegas to make a color correction, without knowing exactly what I was doing...but I am confident, someone else with good skill can do a great job here.

Mithrandir said:

The colours in padme's shot give the clue that the shot is from another movie. You plan to do something about that cutter? Maybe increasing the saturation?

yes, it´s easy to spot, but strangely enough I prefer the more grainy (real-movie look) to the video game cutscenes :-) 

oh, what could have been

I´m sure someone will volunteer to adjust it

unfortunately it won´t be me, cause I´m a tech noob

We all prefer the old school look. But we got PT instead. Our aim here is to make the add-on unnoticeable.

I'm glad that you chose to serve equalise the colorimetry cutter 

The Cutter said:

For you rpvee :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZkLV1KgWI

 

I think will lose here the tourmented mood

hahaha thank you very much, young padawan. :P

I do think it sounds better that way, personally.  Dark with the strings underneath, but hopeful with the theme.

rpvee said:

mrbenja0618 said:

it's ok to be a drastic variation in this case because technically this would be the first time you hear the theme anyway.

No, it wouldn't be ok.  If this is the first time a viewer heard the theme, they'd think it was the actual theme, and then be confused when it's never heard that way ever again.

 

I'm a little late commenting on this, but seriously just about every theme in Star Wars has a variation. Why would this be any different? Because you're hearing K's version first? Confuse people? How? Sorry, just doesn't make sense to me.

mrbenja0618 said:

rpvee said:

mrbenja0618 said:

it's ok to be a drastic variation in this case because technically this would be the first time you hear the theme anyway.

No, it wouldn't be ok.  If this is the first time a viewer heard the theme, they'd think it was the actual theme, and then be confused when it's never heard that way ever again.

 

I'm a little late commenting on this, but seriously just about every theme in Star Wars has a variation. Why would this be any different? Because you're hearing K's version first? Confuse people? How? Sorry, just doesn't make sense to me.

The first time you hear something, you naturally assume that's the definitive version.  In playing a variation first, the listener assumes that's the definitive version of this new theme, until it's never heard that same way ever again.  Imagine starting A New Hope's crawl with a variation of the Star Wars theme, and then the rest of the movies with how it usually is.

I would just simply hear as the theme. This would not affect a Star Wars virgin is my point.

The other idea I had for having Leia knowing Padme was her seeing her as a ghost when she was a little girl.

Think of it this way.

Anakin (the good guy) is still buried under all that hate and self loathing in Vader (the bad guy).

He subconsciously uses the Force to try and undo what he had done (we never know how he manage to make himself into a ghost in ROTJ or if indeed Luke did it so maybe he had this power all along but didn't know it).

Couple that with Leia's latent Force abilities and you have the possibility of a sweet little coda.

An unidentified little girl of about two or three (the age when memories form) looks up in her Alderaanian bedroom and sees a beautiful but sad ghost looking down on her protectively.

Not sure if there's enough footage out there to pull it off but if Luke can see dead people why not Leia?

That way Padme could still die (but of her injuries and not of 'a broken heart') and get a big emotional funeral scene.

Vader couldn't give a monkey's but Anakin could.

And we'd get a mystery, who is this little girl, why is Padme's ghost there?

People familiar with the OT would know but seeing as we think there is only one child it would be a hanging mystery for the first time viewer and the revelation that it's Leia would count for something in ROTJ.

I need the Skywalker ranch to put your idea on screen ^_^

Mainly and heavily inspired by Superman soundtrack, here is my vision of "Obi-Wan and Anakin's theme" as it could have been composed by Williams in the eighties :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxXylQNfSAQ

Love it!  Can't wait to see how you use it in your edit.

Eh, it doesn't really say "Jedi Heroes" to me.  And someone's commenting how it's pretty much exactly a track from Superman with just a few changes?  And listening to that piece from Superman, he's right.  You're just putting a Superman theme in Star Wars.

I know you won't take this suggestion, but I reallllly think you should at least heavily consider it: make the "Obi-Wan and Anakin Theme" a good-hearted, calm version of the "Battle of the Heroes" theme.  Here are the pro's to that:

1. You have a Star Wars theme, not a Superman one.

2. The theme will no longer come out of nowhere during the final duel.

3. We'd be so used to hearing it so friendly and "good", that hearing it so apocalyptic with a choir while these brothers duel to the death would be extra heart-breaking.

The purpose of my frienship's theme is not heroism (even if it will have heroic version). It's all about feeling, frienship feeling...something simple, pure, naive, that just talk about the true emotion between our heroes.

and I didn't hide the fact that this music is heavily inspired by Superman, nothing new here...but this is not the same theme, the second half part is completely new and there are some differences in the harmonies.

The thing that make it really close to Superman is because it's exactly the same orchestration.

fishmanlee said:

and the ending crash.

This is very common in Star wars, that why I used it.

if I had posted this first :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xBEidzHy1Q

no one would have recognized Superman soundtrack (Leaving home)

This is an heroic variation of the frienship theme for the space battle sequence.