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No, it came from a collector as far as I know. I think it had just been improperly stored. I overheard the recipient remarking that the reels had been plagued with vinegar syndrome (a degradation phenomenon which emits a vinegar like smell) which was so pungent he could sense it even when approaching the reels' shipping package in the courier shop. Too bad. The last hour of the film had no real problems though, other than being faded. It was hard to get a totally accurate taste of the colour grading because the blacks had become quite blue, but it varied in intensity from reel to reel and I could usually detect how much the fading was influencing colour fluxuation. But still a fun experience, especially with a small room of fans. There were a lot of laughs, sometimes with the film, sometimes at the film.

One thing I noticed was that there was pretty much no visible grain in the film, even in the optical shots (well, I mean there was a tiny bit, but quite insignificant). This contrasted what I have seen of the GOUT. I don't own ROTJ GOUT, so I don't know if the opticals are as grainy as SW and ESB. But the lightsaber scenes were pretty much 100% identical in quality to the surrounding ones. Obviously a positive release print and the fact that the focus fluxuated a bit would have influenced this, but I could still see some light grain and there were never any jumpy moments (that extra-contrasty shot of Luke reacting to Vader's amputation being an exception).

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zombie84 wrote: They screened a bunch of funny vintage trailers and a 35mm print of Return of the Jedi.

Pics or it didn't happen!  Neet that they get some use periodically.

 

Might just be a coincidence, there was an outdoor showing of RotJ in Brooklyn last week as well. 

http://bococaland.com/blog/2011/06/22/return-of-the-jedi-at-carroll-park/

http://www.carrollparkbrooklyn.org/?p=1564

fudge could have had a second to my outdoor recordings of these movies...

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ROTJ may have faded-but LOTR has become "tinted":

 

Extended version:

 

 

Original theatrical:

 

I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.

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Fans preservations to the rescue!

I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.

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zombie84 said:

One thing I noticed was that there was pretty much no visible grain in the film, even in the optical shots (well, I mean there was a tiny bit, but quite insignificant). This contrasted what I have seen of the GOUT. I don't own ROTJ GOUT, so I don't know if the opticals are as grainy as SW and ESB. But the lightsaber scenes were pretty much 100% identical in quality to the surrounding ones. Obviously a positive release print and the fact that the focus fluxuated a bit would have influenced this, but I could still see some light grain and there were never any jumpy moments (that extra-contrasty shot of Luke reacting to Vader's amputation being an exception).

That makes sense to me. ROTJ has never been a really grainy film. I just took a peek at my GOUT disc for the first time in years and it reflects this but the print used has dirt and speckles crop up more than I noticed originally. Not to mention the lovely frame border on the left side that keeps popping up. On the GOUT it looks more like analog noise than film grain.

 

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Finally, examples of FotR. I can see why people would complain. That's pretty noticeable side-by-side, though I'm sure its just fine on its own. And the old "I heard Peter Jackson approved this himself" doesn't mean anything because they said the same thing about Lucas.

And that fix is a little overblown, too bright.

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And re the ROTJ graininess:

I found the 04HD transfer of ROTJ to be the grainiest of the trilogy. But that may ironically be because it was the least grainy and least damaged one, so  it had the least extensive cleanup. The 04 transfer of ROTJ has a lot of fine grain. I was actually surprised how much film grain there is in all the 04 transfers when you have a high bitrate HD. People sometimes make it sound like it was DVNRed all the way to hell, which is definitely not the case. I actually think the clean up job done by Lowry on the 04 transfers is superb, especially given the limited time they had to do it, the problem with those transfers is the rather horrible colour issues, which seem to not be caused by Lowry.

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Yeah. They definitely removed emulsion grain, especially in Star Wars, but not in extreme amounts, although the Tatooine scenes have been tampered with quite heavily. It is not as good as some of Lowry's other work, like on Indy or James Bond, which have accuracy in terms of grain, but the OT at least wasn't butchered like a lot of modern Blu Rays. ROTJ you are right, it looks pretty authentic in terms of the image integrity; SW and ESB are just a bit too clean and slick, but not bothersomely.

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I clicked on the site today, and it's gone! What happened?

Where were you in '77?

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Well we don't know what's going on yet.  Hopefully this is just a glitch and not something more serious.

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A communications disruption can mean only one thing...

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Zombie probably just forgot to renew the domain. He may have already taken care of it. Sometimes it takes a few days to come back.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Been nearly a week, now... gettin' kinda worried; I liked that site, and, yes, it was a great place to point people to.

It's not even archived in the Wayback Machine.

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Please somebody tell me you archived it :-(

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Let us hope Zombie has not been escorted to the ranch. George has a secret room for special guests!

Where were you in '77?

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Been there and there's no special room. It's actually a very nice and pleasant place...