Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 310

Bingowings said:

As you know I'm all for pushing the boat out when it comes to radical ideas but short of making this a total remake how do you intend to replace every shot and reference to the Death Star with Coruscant?

And how would that even make sense?

Coruscant isn't a weapon, it's a planet.

You need the threat element to get the Rebels out of hiding.

If you had the Rebels just growing an enormous pair and marching right into the capital without them having gained some new advantage or have some sort of final threat dangling over them it screeches the question, why didn't they do it earlier?

You could have the Empire planning on blowing up Coruscant using a Death Star type plot device (possibly hidden on or built into the forest moon) hoping to blame the Rebels.

The Rebels could get wind of the plan and come to the rescue only to be caught in a trap.

You still wouldn't see much of Coruscant.

The easiest way to accomplish it would be to have the DS2 and Coruscant.

The idea is that Endor is the sanctuary moon of Coruscant. The Empire is now building another DS in the heart of the Empire to solidify its stranglehold on the galaxy.

It's not secretly building it at all. It's right in public.

Fear. Fear will keep the people in line.

The rebellion needs to destroy this station before its completed otherwise their covert support will flatline.

It's a huge gamble by the alliance. To go right into the heart of the empire to destroy the new station. But they don't have a choice. To sit back and wait until its finished would be an enormous setback the rebellion might never recover from.

So it's almost a dare by the Emperor. I dare you rebellion to come into my lair and try and destroy it.

But to not do so would mean certain defeat for the rebellion in time.

So it's almost a desperate gamble by the rebellion.

They're still beat up and licking their wounds from being hammered during ESB.

But they have no choice.

So the rebels "secretly" go to Endor, moon of Coruscant, to start their plan.

The film opens with Vader traveling to Coruscant to converse with the Emperor.

I would move all the Emperor's throne room scenes to Coruscant. So I would never have him leave that room. So the only view of Coruscant would be a few shots of Vader's shuttle flying overhead and landing to adding distant city lights out the Emperor's window.

Not a cityscape mind you because his tower would reach into the upper atmosphere. it would tower over all.

That would also keep the digital work to a minimum as it would be merely distant city lights.

If Coruscant is the target why would the Emperor sit there?

In such a Scenario it would optimum sense to have the Emperor on Endor or on a ship far away from the battle.

Having him on a Death Star makes more sense than having him on Coruscant.

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Oops! My bad, you are clearly not running with that serving suggestion.

Bingowings said:

If Coruscant is the target why would the Emperor sit there?

 

He's flat out cocky... It's no worse than him being on the Death Star II when that was supposed to be the target, something only one edit has fixed...

Coruscant's also nice since it gives us something exotic. It's spectacle for 1983 people... like Hoth, CLoud City the original Death Star, and Tatooine was. ROTJ wasn't good partially because it wasn't grand. It "lacked vision."

Yes but in the Death Star scenario the Death Star was the target of the Rebels which Palpatine 'knew' would not succeed.

In the Coruscant as target scenario Coruscant is the target of the Imperials with a superweapon.

That's like Tarkin giving the order to destroy Alderaan, from Alderaan.

Do you see?

Bingowings said:

Do you see?

Crap, completely misread the earlier post. It was late at night when I posted that. Yeah, now I see how that's a plot hole...

Apologies, Bingowings.

Apology not needed Captain Falcon.

Bingowings said:

If Coruscant is the target why would the Emperor sit there?

In such a Scenario it would optimum sense to have the Emperor on Endor or on a ship far away from the battle.

Having him on a Death Star makes more sense than having him on Coruscant.

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Oops! My bad, you are clearly not running with that serving suggestion.

 

 Coruscant is not the target. The DS2 orbiting Endor is.

You still have the DS2 secretly operational that starts blowing ships up like the original cut. You just have Luke/Vader/Palpy observing it all from the Imperial Palace throne room on Coruscant.

It was the target in the posts surrounding it (the posts about the open rebellion on Coruscant).

I recognised that you weren't replying to those threads in my latter amendment.

It's been a while since i've watched Metropolis (didn't even finish it) but i wonder if any shots of the city could be re-used and altered for Coruscant.

^Angel was working on that with Bob funny enough.

The more I think of it, a full out revolt on Coruscant makes more and more sense.

Leia predicted it when talking to Tarkin and if ESB is a tightening of the fingers of the Empire having the core systems slip seems the ideal way to end the saga.

If there is still a Death Star or Death Stars in there someone could leak Imperial footage of the destruction of Alderaan by the first Death Star to the population of Coruscant and suddenly those innocent and necessary planetary defense orbs the population had seen growing in orbit would become a reason not to be cheerful. 

Just another crazy idea.

shanerjedi said:

Bingowings said:

As you know I'm all for pushing the boat out when it comes to radical ideas but short of making this a total remake how do you intend to replace every shot and reference to the Death Star with Coruscant?

And how would that even make sense?

Coruscant isn't a weapon, it's a planet.

You need the threat element to get the Rebels out of hiding.

If you had the Rebels just growing an enormous pair and marching right into the capital without them having gained some new advantage or have some sort of final threat dangling over them it screeches the question, why didn't they do it earlier?

You could have the Empire planning on blowing up Coruscant using a Death Star type plot device (possibly hidden on or built into the forest moon) hoping to blame the Rebels.

The Rebels could get wind of the plan and come to the rescue only to be caught in a trap.

You still wouldn't see much of Coruscant.

The easiest way to accomplish it would be to have the DS2 and Coruscant.

The idea is that Endor is the sanctuary moon of Coruscant. The Empire is now building another DS in the heart of the Empire to solidify its stranglehold on the galaxy.

It's not secretly building it at all. It's right in public.

Fear. Fear will keep the people in line.

The rebellion needs to destroy this station before its completed otherwise their covert support will flatline.

It's a huge gamble by the alliance. To go right into the heart of the empire to destroy the new station. But they don't have a choice. To sit back and wait until its finished would be an enormous setback the rebellion might never recover from.

So it's almost a dare by the Emperor. I dare you rebellion to come into my lair and try and destroy it.

But to not do so would mean certain defeat for the rebellion in time.

So it's almost a desperate gamble by the rebellion.

They're still beat up and licking their wounds from being hammered during ESB.

But they have no choice.

So the rebels "secretly" go to Endor, moon of Coruscant, to start their plan.

The film opens with Vader traveling to Coruscant to converse with the Emperor.

I would move all the Emperor's throne room scenes to Coruscant. So I would never have him leave that room. So the only view of Coruscant would be a few shots of Vader's shuttle flying overhead and landing to adding distant city lights out the Emperor's window.

Not a cityscape mind you because his tower would reach into the upper atmosphere. it would tower over all.

That would also keep the digital work to a minimum as it would be merely distant city lights.

One of the best ideas I've heard in awhile. If no one beats me to it; I may attempt this in my ROTJ: Redemption edit.

One of the reasons I push the idea of Coruscant so crazily(I admit it!) is it has a nice symmetry not just with the OT but the whole saga.

Here is the place where Palpatine hatched his whole scheme to takeover the republic and here is where the son of the man Palpatine corrupted will return and face off with him.

It has a beauty and cyclical nature to it that Lucas has used throughout the saga.

And I didn't think of it, Lucas himself originally thought of the idea. And his original inclination was correct.

Bring things full circle with the climax of the whole story of the Skywalkers by having father and son together with Palpatine on Coruscant.

^ the man has a point.

i still don't think endor being a moon of coruscant would wash though, especially if ewoks were living there.

what if endor though wasn't home of the shield generator, but was some other objective point? like the control hub for the droid army?

It could be a forest on a moon of Coruscant called Endor.

The whole planet doesn't have to be a forest.

On this world we have people and animals that have yet to hear Frink's plugs for his edit ;-)

Bingowings said:

On this world we have people and animals that have yet to hear Frink's plugs for his edit ;-)

I see what you did there.

In all honesty, I have heard from several people who don't like fanedits and thus never visit the fanedit section of the forum, and yet accidentally stumbled upon the thread through other means.  I think there is an audience out there that doesn't even know they are an audience, simply because they don't care about fanedits.

Haven't figured out a way to effectively reach those people yet without trolling all over the place....

When the edit is finished someone could break it down into chunks and maybe if it was posted it on youtube in response to the Red Letter Media and Ady posted chunks it could grow a following of it's own.

Well, I was really referring to people on ot.com.

Anyway, I'll stop pulling this off-topic until the next time one of my clips is almost relevant to the discussion ;-)

ben_danger said:

^ the man has a point.

i still don't think endor being a moon of coruscant would wash though, especially if ewoks were living there.

what if endor though wasn't home of the shield generator, but was some other objective point? like the control hub for the droid army?

I see your point about why ewoks would be there.

People have talked about an ongoing battle with the ewoks and imperials existing at the start of RotJ and burned out hulks of At-Ats on the moon in the radical edit thread.

That would actually make more sense if that were happening on the moon of Coruscant than just some moon in the outer rim like in the existing cut.

The empire would then be trying to eradicate this primitive race of teddy bears from the moon of imperial center.

Great idea but it would be in my view even better if the scouts were cremating their own men to cover up the hellhole they were working in.

The audience would be thinking "What the hell did that to them?", then our heroes are captured by these things too and then we meet the Ewoks.

Suddenly the teddy bears turn into guerrillas.

A bit like...

It would be cool if the scouts were shown doing something more than just standing around.

Why are they there? What are they doing?

This is one of those things where changing it needs to be made into something that clealry reads to the audience. Otherwise it takes  two scouts standing around and has them do......what....what are they doing?

As far as we can tell there are two sets of troops on the moon.

There is the detail sent to guard the deflector base and the hidden Legion sent to close the trap on the Rebels.

Remember at the beginning of the film how twitchy Jerjerrod is?

Remember his attempts to win Vader around with his pleading for more personnel?

The deflector base could be argued as being under his command.

It was probably built before anything else on the Death Star was.

What if his troops were being massacred down there but he has been covering it up so as to not get on the wrong side of his superiors.

We have already seen two films where that sort of failure doesn't end well for Imperial officers.

A good point of reference would be The Eagle.

Another would be the story that probably influenced Star Wars more than any other Dune.

The Ewoks could be like the Fremen, the high command of the Empire just think they harmless savages but they have already been kicking the crap out the Imperial presence on the planet.

Fear of being seen to have failed has created a cover up which would end in disaster for the Emperor's plans on the moon.

Just as the Jedi couldn't see their end until it was too late, Palpatine's hubris has tipped the balance of the Force in the opposite direction which would all pay off in the last act.

I wonder if anything from Avatar and the humans fight with the Navi could be used? I'm thinking more "aftermath" of a battle than during.

Isn't there some scene in the extended edition that shows arrows in tires and some burned out vehicles?

What's that movie called Emerald Forest? Does that have anything?

EDIT:

Bingo, here might be something with Jjejerrod in command and covering up stuff.

So in the existing cut Vader goes to the DS and visits Jerjjerrod.

Maybe instead change some(no need for all) of the dialogue so instead Vader mentions the cover up, or that Jerjjerrodd hasn't been upfront. Vader is no schlub. He can figure out when he's being misled.

So Jerjerrod goes on to mention the moon being ready( for what I don't know: resettlement of Coruscanti as that planet is overpopulated and the citizens are growing restless?) and that the "savage creatures" will be crushed.