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Author: WhatsMyName
Time: 2-Mar-2011 12:59 AM
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Fang Zei said:

Universal just announced American Graffiti for a blu-ray release in May and, unsurprisingly, it's gonna be the Special Edition (if not an extra-special one with even more changes). I'm not the least bit surprised by this, but it once again raises some questions in my mind.

We all know what the situation is with Star Wars, but what kind of control does Lucas have over THX-1138 and Graffiti? If Universal wanted to include the original version of Graffiti, would there be anything Lucas could do to stop them?

prlly just enhanced picture and sound with some special features and deleted scenes.

Author: Moth3r
Time: 9-May-2011 7:49 AM
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Zombie, you mention The Film Foundation on your site here; I just wondered if you ever attempted to contact them?

It's pretty clear from this page that they strongly oppose the alteration of a film by someone other than the film's creator - they are "dedicated to protecting the work of film artists from alteration and to ensuring that the artists' visions remain intact for future generations to enjoy" - but what is their view when the artist himself decides to alter the film?

Interesting side note: Harrison Ford is a governor on the Artists Rights Education and Legal Defense Fund Council.

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Author: Moth3r
Time: 11-May-2011 4:48 AM
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Small correction for you when you come to update this page:

"Doctor M" provided me with some waveform shots...

The type of plot presented is actually a representation of what you would get from a vectorscope. A waveform monitor produces a different plot (the one on the right in this image).

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Author: zombie84
Time: 24-Jun-2011 2:34 PM
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http://www.savestarwars.com/doasisay.html

Inspired by a recent thread here, Lucas Hypocrisy Strikes Again. I think this collection could be a powerful tool in silencing critics that Lucas has the right to do what he wants, and demonstrating how hollow and hypocritical his stance is.

Author: doubleofive
Time: 24-Jun-2011 2:38 PM
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This is good stuff. Just nice to have one page to point people.

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Author: asterisk8
Time: 24-Jun-2011 3:09 PM
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We're lucky to have you, zombie84.

Author: none
Time: 24-Jun-2011 3:15 PM
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You've got 'second rendevouz' twice. The 93 one should be 'third'.

Since the 96 Cinefex quote is so on target, do you want to spoil it by having your explanation before people read his words?

There are several 'next rendevouz' maybe instead of "The next rendevouz is 2004" shorten it to:

Rendevouz 2004, xyz

The bullet point also adds a visual clue when a new one starts. (can add in page html links if you want to get fancy)

Author: Anchorhead
Time: 26-Jun-2011 8:28 AM
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zombie84 said:

http://www.savestarwars.com/doasisay.html

Inspired by a recent thread here, Lucas Hypocrisy Strikes Again. I think this collection could be a powerful tool in silencing critics that Lucas has the right to do what he wants, and demonstrating how hollow and hypocritical his stance is.

Personally, that page best demonstrates my real reason for having sought out you guys and this site many years ago. I want the film I grew up with in a high quality presentation. I have zero tolerance for what I know for a fact (from personal history\experience) are lies told by Lucas.

I was on board at the start of the journey in 1977. I know what I saw, heard, and read. It was nothing like the history Lucas tries regularly to revise.

I'm not here for colors, garbage mattes, sound mixes, 35mm, 70mm, or any other thing that should and can be discussed & desired for a potential release (all very worthy, by the way).

I'm here for the 1977 film and the truth surrounding its history and its current state of suppression. Zombie's years of work as well as this community are indispensable in that regard.

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Author: danny_boy
Time: 26-Jun-2011 8:47 AM
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@Zombie

Have you ever tried to contact Lucasfilm?

I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.

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Author: canofhumdingers
Time: 26-Jun-2011 1:26 PM
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Anchorhead said:

I want the film I grew up with in a high quality presentation.

Have you seen the Despecialized Edition HD by Harmy? I think you might love it (like pretty much everyone else who's seen it, myself included)!

Author: Anchorhead
Time: 26-Jun-2011 1:40 PM
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canofhumdingers said:

Anchorhead said:

I want the film I grew up with in a high quality presentation.

Have you seen the Despecialized Edition HD by Harmy? I think you might love it (like pretty much everyone else who's seen it, myself included)!

I've never seen any fan-made transfers. No reason in particular, just haven't. The screen grabs I've seen of some of them look very nice though.

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Author: Harmy
Time: 26-Jun-2011 2:01 PM (Edited)
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It would really depend on how much you mind the crushed blacks in the SE transfer, whatever else was possible to do with the colours, the crushed black are unfortunately there to stay. You can check out picture comparisons here and see the tread here.

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Author: theprequelsrule
Time: 26-Jun-2011 2:07 PM
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Just from screenshots, I like the look of Lee's Technicolor recreation myself. Everyone has different tastes of course.

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Author: canofhumdingers
Time: 26-Jun-2011 2:53 PM
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Anchorhead said:

canofhumdingers said:

Anchorhead said:

I want the film I grew up with in a high quality presentation.

Have you seen the Despecialized Edition HD by Harmy? I think you might love it (like pretty much everyone else who's seen it, myself included)!

I've never seen any fan-made transfers. No reason in particular, just haven't. The screen grabs I've seen of some of them look very nice though.

Based on what I know from your posts here, I think you might throw out the 2006 "GOUT" disc & have Harmy's Despecialized version become your go-to version of Star Wars. I'd strongly encourage you to check it out! I don't want to derail this thread too much, so maybe pm's would be better, but I'd be happy to help you get a copy if you need assisstance (I know I needed help when I first started checking out fan preservations).

Author: danny_boy
Time: 26-Jun-2011 3:17 PM (Edited)
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If you want to enjoy the original film in all it's analogue glory-

Just stick in your original 1982/83 pan and scan VHS or laserdisc.

At least it is a transfer of the original film before it underwent digital manipulation/restoration.

It has the original 35mm stereo audio track(long before it too was digitized and THXed in subsequent video releases)

And sure the picture is not accurate with regards to color reproduction and image resolution of the cinematic prints BUT the actual tape/laserdisc is from the era that the original Star Wars was last screened theatrically(1982)----hence it has a lot of nostalgic value---and once you start watching you tend not to pay too much attention to the picture/sound quality anyway.

You just enjoy the story and the characters----just like you did when you were in the theater.

On edit_

Ironically due to it's bright color timing-that original 1982 VHS has detail which is not apparent in the 2004 DVD(because it so dark)----it actually allows you to enjoy the film even more.

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Author: theprequelsrule
Time: 26-Jun-2011 3:57 PM
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danny_boy said:

If you want to enjoy the original film in all it's analogue glory-

Just stick in your original 1982/83 pan and scan VHS or laserdisc.

At least it is a transfer of the original film before it underwent digital manipulation/restoration.

It has the original 35mm stereo audio track(long before it too was digitized and THXed in subsequent video releases)

And sure the picture is not accurate with regards to color reproduction and image resolution of the cinematic prints BUT the actual tape/laserdisc is from the era that the original Star Wars was last screened theatrically(1982)----hence it has a lot of nostalgic value---and once you start watching you tend not to pay too much attention to the picture/sound quality anyway.

You just enjoy the story and the characters----just like you did when you were in the theater.

On edit_

Ironically due to it's bright color timing-that original 1982 VHS has detail which is not apparent in the 2004 DVD(because it so dark)----it actually allows you to enjoy the film even more.

You know, I agree with this.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

Author: danny_boy
Time: 26-Jun-2011 4:26 PM
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theprequelsrule said:

danny_boy said:

If you want to enjoy the original film in all it's analogue glory-

Just stick in your original 1982/83 pan and scan VHS or laserdisc.

At least it is a transfer of the original film before it underwent digital manipulation/restoration.

It has the original 35mm stereo audio track(long before it too was digitized and THXed in subsequent video releases)

And sure the picture is not accurate with regards to color reproduction and image resolution of the cinematic prints BUT the actual tape/laserdisc is from the era that the original Star Wars was last screened theatrically(1982)----hence it has a lot of nostalgic value---and once you start watching you tend not to pay too much attention to the picture/sound quality anyway.

You just enjoy the story and the characters----just like you did when you were in the theater.

On edit_

Ironically due to it's bright color timing-that original 1982 VHS has detail which is not apparent in the 2004 DVD(because it so dark)----it actually allows you to enjoy the film even more.

You know, I agree with this.

Cheers--if I had to make an analogy---in order to enjoy a film's cultural /contemporary aesthetic value----- it would be akin to watching my 2010 2D Avatar blu Ray disc in 2030!----

instead of watching it on my 8/16K playback system that will probably exist at that point in time!(Sharp and Japan's NHK already have a working TV prototype!)

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Author: theprequelsrule
Time: 26-Jun-2011 4:35 PM
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danny_boy said:

theprequelsrule said:

danny_boy said:

If you want to enjoy the original film in all it's analogue glory-

Just stick in your original 1982/83 pan and scan VHS or laserdisc.

At least it is a transfer of the original film before it underwent digital manipulation/restoration.

It has the original 35mm stereo audio track(long before it too was digitized and THXed in subsequent video releases)

And sure the picture is not accurate with regards to color reproduction and image resolution of the cinematic prints BUT the actual tape/laserdisc is from the era that the original Star Wars was last screened theatrically(1982)----hence it has a lot of nostalgic value---and once you start watching you tend not to pay too much attention to the picture/sound quality anyway.

You just enjoy the story and the characters----just like you did when you were in the theater.

On edit_

Ironically due to it's bright color timing-that original 1982 VHS has detail which is not apparent in the 2004 DVD(because it so dark)----it actually allows you to enjoy the film even more.

You know, I agree with this.

Cheers--if I had to make an analogy---in order to enjoy a film's cultural /contemporary aesthetic value----- it would be akin to watching my 2010 2D Avatar blu Ray disc in 2030!----

instead of watching it on my 8/16K playback system that will probably exist at that point in time!(Sharp and Japan's NHK already have a working TV prototype!)

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“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

Author: doubleofive
Time: 26-Jun-2011 9:24 PM
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Author: msycamore
Time: 26-Jun-2011 10:04 PM
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zombie84 said:

http://www.savestarwars.com/doasisay.html

Inspired by a recent thread here, Lucas Hypocrisy Strikes Again. I think this collection could be a powerful tool in silencing critics that Lucas has the right to do what he wants, and demonstrating how hollow and hypocritical his stance is.

Always nice to read your thoughts and articles, altough most of us already know these absurd quotes, your compilation of his words on that page is a very good and effective tool to inform others who don't really know how incredible sad the situation has become with Mr. Lucas... Keep up the wonderful job you're doing, Zombie.

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Author: Baronlando
Time: 26-Jun-2011 11:56 PM
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Not a quote from Lucas, but from Sydney Pollack, (part of the same Film Foundation, when testifying at the same time GL did):

"Like all accurate representations of who and what we were, they deserve preservation in their authentic form. Like a building, a photograph, or a document it helps locate us in time and gives us a sense of the geography of our lives. We need an accurate understanding of the past in order to point us accurately toward the future."

Author: LexX
Time: 27-Jun-2011 3:20 AM (Edited)
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Maybe add quotes from Spielberg and Cameron, too..?

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Author: Anchorhead
Time: 27-Jun-2011 8:51 AM (Edited)
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canofhumdingers said:

Based on what I know from your posts here, I think you might throw out the 2006 "GOUT" disc & have Harmy's Despecialized version become your go-to version of Star Wars. I'd strongly encourage you to check it out! I don't want to derail this thread too much, so maybe pm's would be better, but I'd be happy to help you get a copy if you need assisstance (I know I needed help when I first started checking out fan preservations).

From the looks of things, the fan base will ultimately be what saves Star Wars77. If I decide to go that route, I'll PM you. I'm ok for now because I've all but abandoned the film version.

Thanks for the offer, by the way.

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Author: zombie84
Time: 29-Jun-2011 11:46 PM (Edited)
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This is a totally unrelated post, but I just thought I'd report that I happened to be invited to a private party hosted at a local screening house/cinema club. They screened a bunch of funny vintage trailers and a 35mm print of Return of the Jedi. The print had been cellophaned together or something, and the projectionist had to spend 12 hours assembling it. It broke two or three times at the reel changes, and the first two reels were almost unwatchable. But it was fun times. Because the print had faded you could see all the garbage mattes, which I thought was sort of neat because you usually can't see them very well on prints. I was impressed with the sound mix, which was nothing special but the levels were mixed in a way I hadn't heard before and it felt right. It was really cool to see Sebastian Shaw in high resolution for once.

Author: SilverWook
Time: 30-Jun-2011 1:08 AM
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Very interesting, and you lucky guy!

Sounds like someone did a Dr. Frankenstein on an old print that was chopped up, but missed it's date with the landfill?

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