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Tyrphanax said:
TV's Frink said:
Is his nickname really "tony?"
He needs a better one.
What's wrong with Tony, Tony?
Boring nickname, Is Boring.
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
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Review 6
Be Still My Heart: The Bartender's Tale, by David Bischoff
This one was one of the shorter stories, as well as being darker than the others so far. In fact, it has a touch of macabre. It was ok, just a little weird. It's so short that any discussion of plot would be a potential spoiler.
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TV's Frink said:
Tyrphanax said:
TV's Frink said:
Is his nickname really "tony?"
He needs a better one.
What's wrong with Tony, Tony?
Boring nickname, Is Boring.
I then petition for Anthony Daniels nickname to be changed to "Mr. Incredible".
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The official site released an excerpt of chapter 2 of Zahn's new star wars novel, choices of one.
So far its okay i guess, not enough to really judge a finished product.
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Tyrphanax said:
TV's Frink said:
Tyrphanax said:
TV's Frink said:
Is his nickname really "tony?"
He needs a better one.
What's wrong with Tony, Tony?
Boring nickname, Is Boring.
I then petition for Anthony Daniels nickname to be changed to "Mr. Incredible".
How about "Mr Dickward-eeo"
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skyjedi2005 said:
The anniversary edition of Heir to the Empire is coming when ?
I know there is an unabridged audio-recording on CD being read by Marc Thompson coming out a bit later than the hardback.
Del Rey claims sales figures will be figured into whether or not they reprint Dark Force Rising or the Last Command as special annotated hardback editions, or full unabridged audio recordings.
Kind of sad though that the abridged recordings from audio-cassette are not being reissued on CD, the first one read by Wedge Antilles Dennis Lawson, and the other 2 read by C-3PO or Anthony "tony" Daniels.
I managed to find an unabridged version online. It's actually digitized from audio cassettes. While the reader isn't great, I prefer the unabridged versions of books in almost all cases.
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darth_ender said:
skyjedi2005 said:
The anniversary edition of Heir to the Empire is coming when ?
I know there is an unabridged audio-recording on CD being read by Marc Thompson coming out a bit later than the hardback.
Del Rey claims sales figures will be figured into whether or not they reprint Dark Force Rising or the Last Command as special annotated hardback editions, or full unabridged audio recordings.
Kind of sad though that the abridged recordings from audio-cassette are not being reissued on CD, the first one read by Wedge Antilles Dennis Lawson, and the other 2 read by C-3PO or Anthony "tony" Daniels.
I managed to find an unabridged version online. It's actually digitized from audio cassettes. While the reader isn't great, I prefer the unabridged versions of books in almost all cases.
Is not that old unabridged just a bare dry recording it has no sound effects, no music and no acting or dramatization of the material.
The new Del Rey unabridged volumes have all the above.
They sound like an official Lucasfilm/Lucasbooks production which they are.
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I am looking for the unabridged books on tape versions of heir to the empire and dark force rising as read by Larry Mckeever. They are now impossible to find apparently, even used i don't see any listings on Amazon and the last time i saw either on Ebay the person wanted way too much money.
I don't think they ever did one for the Last Command that only got an abridgement all other recordings are for the blind. Like the Chuck Benson recordings.
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That's the one I found, the dry, no sound effects, Chuch Benson recording. It's not awful in my opinion, as the story is more important to me than the sound effects. However, the reader bugs me at times, and the sound effects do greatly enhance the story. I'd love to get the new one when it comes out.
Since it seems many are not thta into the audio books, perhaps you know, skyjedi2005. On Wookieepedia we are told that there is an unabridged version of the OT novels. However, I cannot seem to find this anywhere on Amazon, for download, or anywhere else. I already have the radio dramatization and the abridged version, but I'm really interested in the full story. Do you know if this is a mistake on Wookieepedia, or if there is truly an unabridged version? If there is, where would I find it?
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That's the one I found, the dry, no sound effects, Chuch Benson recording. It's not awful in my opinion, as the story is more important to me than the sound effects. However, the reader bugs me at times, and the sound effects do greatly enhance the story. I'd love to get the new one when it comes out.
Since it seems many are not that into the audio books, perhaps you know, skyjedi2005. On Wookieepedia we are told that there is an unabridged version of the OT novels. However, I cannot seem to find this anywhere on Amazon, for download, or anywhere else. I already have the radio dramatization and the abridged version, but I'm really interested in the full story. Do you know if this is a mistake on Wookieepedia, or if there is truly an unabridged version? If there is, where would I find it?
Jedi is very very abridged, empire and star wars are almost unabridged but not really since there are edits and things left out.
They edited out the reference to more than one dark lords in star wars for instance, and the prologue journal of the whills was taken out. In jedi Luke hearing from Ben that Owen was Ben's brother was also excised.
These are the time Warner versions and i have them on CD but the quality is not much better than the cassette versions its an almost waste of the format.
The edits were obviously done to either bring the books more in line with the finished film and cut all the deleted scenes, or to match Lucas saga vision of the time. I would like an edited and unabridged recording of these as well as The Daley Han Solo Trilogy, and Splinter of the Minds eye.
Since wiki is open to edits their are often many incorrect and unsourced statements.
The Statement on there for instance that the Larry Mckeever versions were for the blind like Chuck Benson is wrong, they were the unabridged books on tape series. There is also a third recording not mentioned is DK Books of Boston i cannot remember the narrator but i think its a kids series thing but still unabridged. Done for children who had difficulty with reading or as a read along edition, i believe but i could be wrong on this but it is certainly not a books for the blind edition.
With the Upcoming unabridged there will have been 4 done for Heir. But this will be the first CD version and first Lucasbooks version the 25th anniversary recording, not sure if the notes from the redo will be included probably not.
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skyjedi2005 said:
They edited out the reference to more than one dark lords in star wars for instance, and the prologue journal of the whills was taken out. In jedi Luke hearing from Ben that Owen was Ben's brother was also excised.
These are the time Warner versions and i have them on CD but the quality is not much better than the cassette versions its an almost waste of the format.
The edits were obviously done to either bring the books more in line with the finished film and cut all the deleted scenes, or to match Lucas saga vision of the time.
So, the revisionism isn't contained to the movies alone. Fucking pathetic.
I wonder how long it'll be before they start going back to the old comics to redraw Anakin's ghost to look like Hayden.
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Nightlily: The Lovers' Tale - by Barbara Hambly
This is about Trevagg, a tax collector.
I actually found the part of the story dealing with his job and co-worker more interesting than the Nightlily portion.
If I have any one criticism of it, I think the author crossed into the movie story too much. By that I mean the main character heard too much of the dialogue from the film. Some of the other stories were just as tied-in, but still remained observational. Without spoiling - the reason for this was addressed in the story and the character, but personally I've enjoyed the others more. I find the stories more interesting when the events of the film are just casual observations by bar patrons.
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Empire Blues: The Devaronian's Tale, by Daniel Keys Moran
I found this one to be one of the better stories. Not so much because of the character, but because of the story itself and the way it is written. Kardue is as evil and rotten as there is in that town, which is saying something in Mos Eisley, so he's not someone you take a liking to.
The story is written as a first person narrative, which I thought made it much more engaging. He tells how he came to live on Tatooine (which would make an interesting novel itself) and why he stayed.
You learn a lot about his daily routine and how he spends his free time, etc. He has a low opinion of just about everyone, including himself. For me, his cynicism is what makes him so interesting.
He's a big collector of music and part of the story is him trying to arrange to see the cantina band, who he thinks are fantastic.
Obviously all of these stories have some relation to the cantina scene from the film, but this one has almost no connection to the movie story, other than part of it happening on that day. I found that to make it even more enjoyable. It was nice to get away from the film for a while. This is another good example of expanding Star Wars, not relying on it.
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I love Empire Blues. I just love the idea of a music collector in the Star Wars universe. It's one of those things you never really think about.
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Being one of the first EU books, it's more like the rest never followed the mold set by this story.DuracellEnergizer said:
Another reason this is a good story is because most of the EU portrays male Devaronians as idiots with thick Russian accents. It's nice to break the mold.
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Anchorhead said:
I found this one to be one of the better stories. Not so much because of the character, but because of the story itself and the way it is written.
He tells how he came to live on Tatooine (which would make an interesting novel itself) and why he stayed.
He's a big collector of music and part of the story is him trying to arrange to see the cantina band, who he thinks are fantastic.
This is another good example of expanding Star Wars, not relying on it.
Sounds nice! I've never read a Star Wars novel and enjoyed it, but these short stories seem like they'd be right up my alley.
Something I really dis-like about the EU is that everyone seems to be a hero or a villain with an amazing, action-packed story to tell. I'm much more interested in the average Joe and smaller stories that don't effect the whole universe. I'll be checking this one out.
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The Tales from the New Republic and Empire are very much like this. One of them that sticks out to me is the story of a medic in the Rebellion who is drafted into a covert mission, which is his first time seeing battle. Sure, there's action, but its far away from "everyone is a Jedi or bounty hunter" the rest of the EU is.ray_afraid said:
Something I really dis-like about the EU is that everyone seems to be a hero or a villain with an amazing, action-packed story to tell. I'm much more interested in the average Joe and smaller stories that don't effect the whole universe. I'll be checking this one out.
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The Tales from the New Republic and Empire are very much like this. One of them that sticks out to me is the story of a medic in the Rebellion who is drafted into a covert mission, which is his first time seeing battle. Sure, there's action, but its far away from "everyone is a Jedi or bounty hunter" the rest of the EU is.ray_afraid said:
Something I really dis-like about the EU is that everyone seems to be a hero or a villain with an amazing, action-packed story to tell. I'm much more interested in the average Joe and smaller stories that don't effect the whole universe. I'll be checking this one out.
Thanks for the tip! I'll check those out as well.
I've avoided this thread because outside of the OT (well, just SW and ESB mostly) I don't really dig on Star Wars. I'm not much of a sci-fi guy. I love spaceships and aliens and ray guns and all that, but hate all the babbling tech-talk and stiff characters that inhabit almost every sci-fi movie or tv show I've ever seen. So, anything that captures the feel of the original Star Wars film is something I'd be interested in checking out. Anymore suggestions?
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I've avoided this thread because outside of the OT (well, just SW and ESB mostly) I don't really dig on Star Wars. I'm not much of a sci-fi guy. I love spaceships and aliens and ray guns and all that, but hate all the babbling tech-talk and stiff characters that inhabit almost every sci-fi movie or tv show I've ever seen. So, anything that captures the feel of the original Star Wars film is something I'd be interested in checking out. Anymore suggestions?
Man, I'm a new recruit myself. My only experience up to this point had been Splinter Of The Mind's Eye and the Han Solo novels from Brian Daley. I enjoy all four because of either the connection to Star Wars77 universe (Splinter), or their lack of it (Daley\Solo novels). The four are free of Jedi & Sith, so they're more story-driven as opposed to Franchise-driven.
Regarding the rest of the EU, I'm just starting on the course the board has chosen for me ;-) based on my desire to read non-Jedi\Sith based stories or anything prequel. So far I'm digging it, but I'm nowhere near qualified enough to recommend much at this point.
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Being one of the first EU books, it's more like the rest never followed the mold set by this story.DuracellEnergizer said:
Another reason this is a good story is because most of the EU portrays male Devaronians as idiots with thick Russian accents. It's nice to break the mold.
Ah, right you are.
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Two more.
Swap Meet: The Jawa's Tale, by Kevin J. Anderson
Basically a day in the life of some of the Jawas in that area. I liked this story. It had an interesting twist that I've not encountered in the others, at least not to the same extent. The main character interacts directly with some of the film characters - away from the film as we are familiar with it. As with the others, it eventually synchronizes with the film.
I have heard some harsh criticisms of Anderson's work, but this seemed well done to me. Maybe because it's a short story he didn't venture into what so many fans dislike about his take on the Star Wars universe. It didn't ruin anything for me. Just a Jawa story peripherally related to Star Wars77.
Trade Wins: The Ranat's Tale, by Rebecca Moesta
This is another interesting twist of a story because it's sort of a prequel\sequel to the story preceding it. Sort of a back story to a back story. This one is very short, maybe 6 pages, so it's hard to explain without spoiling it.
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So, anything that captures the feel of the original Star Wars film is something I'd be interested in checking out. Anymore suggestions?
Besides the Daley books and Splinter your best bet is to stick within the Bantam published 90's canon. It can be hit or miss though.
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When The Desert Wind Turns: The Stormtrooper's Tale, by Doug Beason
Before I get into my review, let me state up front - I really liked this story. That was a big relief to me as a fan because, as I've mentioned before, the central character is someone from one of my very favorite scenes when I first sat in the theater in 1977.
Not sure why. Something about the seriousness, the desolation, the voice, the chain of events his very short scene causes - just something about it struck me as a kid.
In fact (unrelated to this review), on my Google Earth install, I have some filming locations set as places (M*A*S*H, Star Wars, Dances With Wolves, etc). One of them is the shooting location for the Dune Sea. The name I gave the marker? - "Look sir, droids". But I digress.
This story is a longer one. It begins somewhere other than Tatooine and is unrelated to the movie for a while. The story starts when he's a recruit and we get a look at boot camp for the Imperial Army. He eventually ends up as a stormtrooper assigned to an outer rim post, where he makes that now famous discovery.
The character is well developed and goes through an interesting arc through the course of the story. You get a good look at how different these guys all are (the stormtroopers) - their different ideals, backgrounds, ambitions, etc.
As with the others I liked the most so far, this one has little to do with the movie until much later in the story. Other than the obvious, it doesn't cross deep into or change what we know about Star Wars77. It's just the story of one of the stormtroopers.
Also, a mea culpa if I may. I've known for a long time that there were back stories to just about every character in the trilogy. I've been somewhat critical of that sort of exposition because it seemed unnecessary. What I didn't know - and didn't bother to find out - was that some of that back story came from published novels.
I just assumed it was some silliness belched out on the "bio" pages of the Lucas Franchise machine. Which to me, has always felt weirdly uncomfortable, a sort of role-playing extension that is so fleshed-out that it borders on disturbing. Particularly for adults.
I was wrong about the back stories, or at least some of the ones I've read so far. These stories are from some very talented writers and some of them would make interesting novels on their own. Once again, this board grows my Star Wars universe.