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DuracellEnergizer said:

Am I the one one who can't see anything after the first half of

spynet315's post?

I couldn't either.  You can use Firefox/Chrome or something or you can change your forum preferences to show newer posts first and get around it.  (And then switch it back when you're done, probably.)

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Greetings my fellow fanboys!

I am new to this site but can  see i am not the only one bursting with ideas and frustrated by plot holes. So far there seems to be a number of plot points we all agree with in general:

1: Darth Maul kept and developed.

2: The paternity secret must be preserved, perhaps using a "decoy vader" apprentice.

3: Obi-Wan and Anakin are our main characters, Alderann and Bail Organa feature prominently.

I read somewhere that Obi-Wan should eventually defy the Jedi order in order to train (continue training) Anakin. I can't remember who wrote it or where but this is genius as it compounds Obi-Wans guilt in the O.T.

Also someone mentioned a second (i.e. multiple) clone wars. This is another excellent point as otherwise there is no need to refer to the clone wars as plural.

My outline so far is as follows

No episode one/phantom menace.

Episode one: the clone wars

Episode two: dawn/rise of the empire (which do ye prefer?)

Episode three: revenge of the sith.

I'l post an outline soon but I would like to hear preferences for the second episodes title: Rise or Dawn?

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roryoconnor35 said:

Greetings my fellow fanboys!

I am new to this site but can  see i am not the only one bursting with ideas and frustrated by plot holes. So far there seems to be a number of plot points we all agree with in general:

1: Darth Maul kept and developed.

2: The paternity secret must be preserved, perhaps using a "decoy vader" apprentice.

3: Obi-Wan and Anakin are our main characters, Alderann and Bail Organa feature prominently.

I read somewhere that Obi-Wan should eventually defy the Jedi order in order to train (continue training) Anakin. I can't remember who wrote it or where but this is genius as it compounds Obi-Wans guilt in the O.T.

Also someone mentioned a second (i.e. multiple) clone wars. This is another excellent point as otherwise there is no need to refer to the clone wars as plural.

My outline so far is as follows

No episode one/phantom menace.

Episode one: the clone wars

Episode two: dawn/rise of the empire (which do ye prefer?)

Episode three: revenge of the sith.

I'l post an outline soon but I would like to hear preferences for the second episodes title: Rise or Dawn?

My own two cents:

1. I don't care for Maul. He's cool: meh. I think the Sith are overdone. Anakin didn't become Darth Vader because he was a Sith nor aspired to be a Sith. I would be satisfied if the notion of Sith was done away with entirely. At most I would let it be a label used by the Jedi for those who use the Force for evil and take the quick and easy path. I don't think Maul can be developed more. He's evil because he's evil - just look at him.

2. I agree about keeping the paternity secret. I'm wary of a decoy Vader because it's gimmicky. One alternative is to let Anakin meet his fate off camera and have Obi Wan confront Vader later on, accusing him of destroying Anakin, etc. That means leaving out a duel between Obi Wan & Anakin (also I don't want Obi Wan to look like a jerk in ANH when he tells Luke that Vader killed Anakin - if there is a second decoy Vader then Obi Wan is even more of a liar and we think so from the beginning). But even this route requires some foreshadowing that Obi Wan had previous apprentices.

3. I agree about the main characters.

Obi Wan does hint at arrogance, that he could teach him "better than Yoda."

I like Dawn of the Empire.

None of us will be able to satisfy everyone on every point. Interested in seeing what you come up with!

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The decoy Vader thing is really a case of Your Mileage May Vary. I think going for it just creates too many hoops one would have to jump through in the writing process, and just accept that Anakin and Vader being the same is just common knowledge. Same thing with trying to shroud Yoda in mystery so the audience doesn't immediately recognize him when he appears in ESB.

I do think that if done well, you could explain Obi-Wan's statement about a "certain point of view" and his lie to Luke is a reflection of his own guilt regarding what happened. While most would see Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader, maybe Kenobi believes that Vader in some ways was emerging even before the worst aspects of Palpatine's seduction, and that he simply failed to see that there were almost two students in one individual both fighting for control.

One was the same idealistic and good hearted young man on Tatooine devoted to his friendship and learning with Kenobi, while the other was a bitter, cynical, unforgiving, and opportunistic pragmatist out who doesn't see the Jedi and possibly the nature of the Republic as things utterly crucial to the future of the galaxy. 

Thus he really did think of it as Vader killing Skywalker, and that Obi-Wan's mistake led to Anakin's destruction and Vader's emergence. By the time the two fight at the end of the prequels it becomes sadly clear to Kenobi that Anakin was dying before the fight ever started. Its Vader that he's facing, its Vader who really took control the moment Skywalker compromised himself to Palpatine. 

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Mrebo said:

I don't think Maul can be developed more. He's evil because he's evil - just look at him.

I respectfully disagree. In the EU Maul was written as unwaveringly loyal and devoted to Palpatine, that he practically loved him as a father, and IMO it didn't come off as out of character or hamfisted at all. Any PT rewriter could utilize and empathize these personality traits; Maul can be more than just a cool looking gimmick.

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Thank you for your comments Mrebo. Could you expand on how you feel the Sith are overdone? I am wary of keeping scenes or characters just because they are cool. For example one of the few things i did like in the P.T. was Vaders birth/construction scene, but it will have to go in order to preserve his identity.

I was also toying with the idea of Bounty Hunters being a symptom of decay in an increasingly lawless universe, hence more Boba Fett! But alas no, this creates too many problems.

My main difficulty with Maul so far is maintaining his mystique by keeping him almost monosyllabic.

I've always liked the idea of Sith Lords pitting there current apprentices against younger rivals. Anakin kills Maul in an epic duel in the presence of Palpatine completing his turn to the dark side.

This will give greater depth to Lukes temptation in R.O.T.J. Luke makes the opposite choice to his father but Vader also knows exactly what Palpatine is up to and so has more motivation to kill him and save his son and at last his own soul.

I need Maul as the Dark face of evil, dealing with and commanding the Seperatists/Trade Federation as I want to keep Palpatine's true intentions secret for as long as possible for the benefit of those new to the saga. Dooku is too old to be anyones apprentice. As cool as Christopher Lee is we don't want to share our main villain The Lord of The Rings and Hammer Horror as well. Qui-Gon has been removed for similar reasons.

Anakin is the only one who deals with Palpatine for most of the series, as soon as Obi-Wan encounters him he knows exactly who and what he is and later confronts Anakin about not telling him. By then it will be too late of course! 

Any ideas on how to do multiple clone wars? Just two would be enough.

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roryoconnor35 said:

Any ideas on how to do multiple clone wars? Just two would be enough.

One way of going about it is to have multiple, smaller scale wars all occuring concurrently across the galaxy; each of these wars could be, more-or-less, unconnected, with different forces involved, yet with clones involved in each.

Just my two cents, of course.

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Perhaps clone technology eventually falls into multiple hands on many planets who begin using huge clone armies to defend themselves in uncertain times? A war between separatists and the republic dissolves into galaxy wide insurrection?

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roryoconnor35 said:

Perhaps clone technology eventually falls into multiple hands on many planets who begin using huge clone armies to defend themselves in uncertain times? A war between separatists and the republic dissolves into galaxy wide insurrection?

Something like that could help to explain how Palpatine got popular, in that he spearheaded better, more effective efforts to bring down the clone uprisings. 

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roryoconnor35 said:

Thank you for your comments Mrebo. Could you expand on how you feel the Sith are overdone? I am wary of keeping scenes or characters just because they are cool. For example one of the few things i did like in the P.T. was Vaders birth/construction scene, but it will have to go in order to preserve his identity.

It's my personal taste, but I don't like the notion of their being an ongoing battle between Jedi and Sith and that the Republic is basically taken over by Sith. To me, there are people who use the Force for evil purposes, but don't necessarily belong to a discrete group that call themselves "Sith." It simplifies the real motivations of characters like Palpatine and Vader and makes all the bad guys part of a special group based on evil. Obviously there are a lot of people who enjoy the Jedi vs Sith feud.

I prefer the OT conception. This means relying on a lot of what was not said. How many times did we hear the name "Sith" in the OT? When Luke tried to persuade Vader that there was still good in him, Vader didn't retort, "I am a Sith Lord!" (Because a title would make up for having to slaughter children). The whole notion simplifies motivations and characters too much for my taste.

I read the Darth Bane novels (they were a gift) and that has colored much of my distaste for the Sith. It was a lot of evil for the sake of evil. In that story Bane happened to be Force sensitive and the subject of a lot of abuse and a difficult life. He was a victim of circumstances. I don't imagine Maul being a regular farm boy who  happened to look evil and made a conscious choice which way he would go. An occasional character, like the Emperor or Maul, being pure evil is fine (though the Emperor's motivation was desire for political power) - but an entire axis of the SW universe is off-putting.

I was also toying with the idea of Bounty Hunters being a symptom of decay in an increasingly lawless universe, hence more Boba Fett! But alas no, this creates too many problems.

The bounty hunter thing is an interesting idea. I was also thinking along those lines, of space pirates, etc.

I need Maul as the Dark face of evil, dealing with and commanding the Seperatists/Trade Federation as I want to keep Palpatine's true intentions secret for as long as possible for the benefit of those new to the saga. Dooku is too old to be anyones apprentice. As cool as Christopher Lee is we don't want to share our main villain The Lord of The Rings and Hammer Horror as well. Qui-Gon has been removed for similar reasons.

I'm in xhonzi's camp of wanting to ignore most if not all of the PT. My eyes glaze over when I see the words "Trade Federation." There are a lot of schools of thoughts on these issues and it should make for interesting variety. I'm willing to be convinced that such elements from the PT can be useful and attractive.

Another point on which many disagree is whether to reveal Vader as Luke's father. I agree with you that it should remain a secret. I desire the movies to be viewed in order of I,II,III,IV,V,VI without taking away from the drama of IV,V,VI. Others, like CWBorne, would approach the prequels as if we already know everything from IV,V,VI (at least through their extensive marketing). Perhaps the intention is that the movies would be viewed in the order that they were made, OT then PT. That's not the approach I would choose but I see the merit.

Any ideas on how to do multiple clone wars? Just two would be enough.

I'm struggling with the Clone Wars. Xhonzi seems oriented toward the battle side of things and he wrote a stellar opening scene for his version. I think any series of battles over the same clones could be called Clone Wars. There could be multiple disputes between different sets of planets all over the issue of clone armies...

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One could conceivably split the whole thing into two. Perhaps the initial "war" occurring during the first film that's a relatively short and localized conflict involving a smaller force, which is defeated by the film's end. While most of the Republic (including the Senate) write it off as a relatively minor incident, Yoda and Obi-Wan sense that its not the end. 

Then in the next film, the second war starts with a much bigger army leading to a far more drawn out and destructive conflict with the battles in the first movie placed in the context of being just a test of the Republic's strength. 

I also have to second Mrebo's thoughts on the Sith. I think it makes for a more intriguing and thrilling story if the Jedi aren't really aware of the sheer scope of what they're up against until its far too late. It creates a tragic but understandable picture of the Order not having dealt with any real dark side users for such a long period that the Emperor's emergence as an evil wielder of the Force caught them completely by surprise. (Perhaps doubly so if the Jedi think Palpatine's little more than a crowd pleasing populist who not too different from previous bureaucratic Presidents in the Senate).  

And maybe this is stretching things too far, but it may explain things about Anakin too. Perhaps he didn't really get enough teaching about the dangers of the dark side, simply because it had been so long since the Jedi had seen anyone turn and/or encounter those who could potentially seduce students to turn from the light side. 

If there aren't any Sith running around, it would also serve to strengthen the relationship between Palpatine and Anakin if the former wasn't looking for a replacement apprentice, but actually saw something in Skywalker that made him realize the value in having a second in command who could wield the force, period. No rule of two, no Sith tradition; just a cunning dictator who realized the perfect weapon to destroy any Jedi opposition.  

Now the scenario from ROTS is much more convincing: a young, conflicted Jedi with the force flowing through him, lacking the true knowledge of the dangers of the dark side, being shown powers and possibilities he never before imagined by someone who's given no indication of hostile intent. Seems like an ideal situation for seduction to me. 

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"I prefer the OT conception. This means relying on a lot of what was not said. How many times did we hear the name "Sith" in the OT? When Luke tried to persuade Vader that there was still good in him, Vader didn't retort, "I am a Sith Lord!" (Because a title would make up for having to slaughter children). The whole notion simplifies motivations and characters too much for my taste."

You make a very good point actually. So far I have episode one worked out in my notebooks and am in the process of fleshing out the second and third. I am considering making reference to "The Mandalorian wars" of old as being the catalyst for the foundation of the republic/jedi order but im wary of it at the mo.

The sith are the bad guys plot device is quite cheap BUT the maul/palpatine connection would be kept super secret until the third film. Maul is basically an independent agent and when he appears at the side of palpatine it is as close to a "No, i am your father " moment as my trilogy will probably get .

Ive got boba fett in there too and its not too bad. Does anyone else think we need a dedicated part of the site for these scripts rather then jamming them into the forums?

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I'm generally struggling with coming up with the nature of the opposing forces in the Clone Wars. While you can easily explain the Republic armies turning into Imperial forces (and some into Rebels) its tricky to figure out exactly what happened to the other side. 

Were they all wiped out? Banished to where they came from? All separated from each other, and placed into individual custody within the Republic? And if any of those are the answer why aren't they ever brought up by anyone minus quick references to the war itself in A New Hope?

The thing is, I'd really like to have some aspect of them that survives in some form into the original trilogy, so that even beyond the rise of Palpatine and the heavy militarization of the Republic, the Clone Wars had an even greater impact than that. 

I've been toying around with a concept in my head that the Mandalorians perhaps led the invaders in Clone Wars, but the vast amount of fighters and soldiers were largely pirates and criminals on the edge of the galaxy whose numbers were inflated by cloning. Plus that ties into the decay of the Republic as it was the Senate's inability to enforce law and order in those territories that allowed such a dangerous force to rise up to begin with. 

When the Republic does win the war, the Mandalorians are largely wiped out, but much of their armies desert and eventually end up in the Republic planets, most of them becoming criminals and bounty hunters, as there's little chance they'll find legitimate work once their past in the war was discovered. 

Thus while there was some underground criminal elements (smuggling, slave trade, illegal spice runs) in the core worlds, the number skyrockets in the years after the Clone Wars, and many of the crapsack elements of the galaxy circa the Original Trilogy can be traced back to the Clone Wars.

Again, just something I've been toying around with.  

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If I could redo the Star Wars Prequels I would probably have the whole thing be a 'retro-fest', and have them look like they're made in the 40s and 50s and 60s (Not in terms of special effects or Styrofoam sets but it terms of style. Like hairstyles, Technology) Story-wise I would ignore what Lucas did. The clones would in-fact be lizard like creatures from a distant galaxy. Anakin would be 20 in 'Episode One', Screw that little kid stuff, and Obi-wan would be about 31 years old.

 

EPISODE ONE

Battle for the Republic?

(Title needs work)

 

A prologue would play just before the opening credits telling the audience of the origins of the Jedi Knights, the formation and eventual defeat of the Dark jedis and the First Great Clone war.

 

The Opening credits then play (In Black and White)

 

The words ‘A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...’ Appear on the screen, written in White.

 

Opening title. There is no opening crawl. Just the Episode number and the film’s title.

 

In 'Episode one' the second clone war would be already happening. Obi-wan would obtaining some information about the location of the Clone's Home world, where all their key facilities are kept. Obi in a starfighter crashes on the planet tattooine, near where Anakin lives  at Anchorhead. Anakin takes Obi to a medical centre. Meanwhile a group of clones are searching for Obi-wan wanting to destroy him for what he knows, we see the clones do something bad so we don’t like them (They kill a republic spy or something.). Anakin learns that Obi-wan is a Jedi knight and is trying to escape from the clones because of the information he knows. Anakin and Obi-wan realising that the clones would wipe out everyone at the settlement, help evacuate anchorhead before being the last ones to leave. As they leave the clones arrive and a chase ensues (Anakin and Obi in a Landspeeder being pursued by three clone fighters.) They manage to incapacitate the clone fighters as they reach Mos Eisley, they buy/steal/borrow a small freighter and blast off the planet.  A clone battleship, which has been hovering over the planet unleashes an attack on the freighter. Anakin gets into a turret whilst Obi makes the calculations for the jump to lightspeed. Anakin is able to blast a couple of fighters before power goes out in some bits of the ship. (Stuff like Hyperdrive and weapons. Maybe gravity too.) Obi-wan goes to work trying to fix the hyperdrive whilst anakin pilots the ship. Obi glances over and notices he has a intuitive way with piloting. Power comes back on and the freighter leaps to lightspeed.

 

Whilst in hyperspace we learn about Obi-wan and Anakin as characters. We learn about the force a bit more (Anakin makes a passing comment about how heard that the force involves microscopic lifeforms in people’s Blood, Obi immediately tells him that’s Horseshit.) and how the republic is coping with the war (They are fighting a losing battle.)

Obi begins a process of training Anakin with using the force.

 

The freighter emerges from hyperspace above the planet Alderann where it meets up with the rest of the republic fleet. Anakin and Obi arrive on board and have to split. Obi has to relay his information to ‘Master Yoda’ (We’ll never see Yoda in the prequels.) and Anakin is drafted into the Republic Pilot’s Corp. Whilst there he meets up with Ric-oli Kenobi, (Uncle Owen) Obi-wan’s brother and Brea Nyota,  a fellow pilot. She is about 25 and very beautiful. He begins chatting her up, only to realise that she is in fact Obi-wan’s Fiancé.

 

A battle plan is discussed in a large room. The fleet, led by Prince Bail Organa is to emerge from hyperspace near the clone’s planet and distract the forces up in space whilst a strike team secretly sneaks onto the planet and destroys the clone’s key facilities. It would involve destroying a shield generator in one facility which would knock out other facilies (I don’t care if this doesn’t make sense I’m tired and it’s four in the morning as I’m typing this.)

 

The fleet jumps to hyperspace.

 

The fleet arrives at the clone’s homeplanet and a spacebattle ensues, whilst a small transport vessel manages to sneak down to the planet undetected. Obi-wan and his Republic Shocktroops sneak into a cave leading into the clone’s facilities (This could lead into a pretty cool piece of imagery where Obi-wan would ignite his lightsaber to lead the way and he could hold it aloft)

They sneak into the facility and plant explosives, but all of the troops are killed and Obi is beaten. Anakin, sensing Obi-wan’s pain, abandons the space battle to go help him. He ends up crashing his fighter but saves Obi. They escape in a shuttle just as the clones base explodes in a huge explosion. The battle in space is pretty much over when they arrive.

Anakin is knighted (literally) a Jedi and is to undergo offical training. On the smoggy, traffic covered metropolis planet, Had Abbadon, an awards ceremony is held. Badges of valor are given to several people, Anakin, Obi and Brea being ones. The film ends with a small glance and smile between Anakin and Brea. (Shit, that happened at the end of the phantom menace...FUCK!)

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Mrebo said:

roryoconnor35 said:

Greetings my fellow fanboys!

I am new to this site but can  see i am not the only one bursting with ideas and frustrated by plot holes. So far there seems to be a number of plot points we all agree with in general:

1: Darth Maul kept and developed.

2: The paternity secret must be preserved, perhaps using a "decoy vader" apprentice.

3: Obi-Wan and Anakin are our main characters, Alderann and Bail Organa feature prominently.

I read somewhere that Obi-Wan should eventually defy the Jedi order in order to train (continue training) Anakin. I can't remember who wrote it or where but this is genius as it compounds Obi-Wans guilt in the O.T.

Also someone mentioned a second (i.e. multiple) clone wars. This is another excellent point as otherwise there is no need to refer to the clone wars as plural.

My outline so far is as follows

No episode one/phantom menace.

Episode one: the clone wars

Episode two: dawn/rise of the empire (which do ye prefer?)

Episode three: revenge of the sith.

I'l post an outline soon but I would like to hear preferences for the second episodes title: Rise or Dawn?

My own two cents:

1. I don't care for Maul. He's cool: meh. I think the Sith are overdone. Anakin didn't become Darth Vader because he was a Sith nor aspired to be a Sith. I would be satisfied if the notion of Sith was done away with entirely. At most I would let it be a label used by the Jedi for those who use the Force for evil and take the quick and easy path. I don't think Maul can be developed more. He's evil because he's evil - just look at him.

2. I agree about keeping the paternity secret. I'm wary of a decoy Vader because it's gimmicky. One alternative is to let Anakin meet his fate off camera and have Obi Wan confront Vader later on, accusing him of destroying Anakin, etc. That means leaving out a duel between Obi Wan & Anakin (also I don't want Obi Wan to look like a jerk in ANH when he tells Luke that Vader killed Anakin - if there is a second decoy Vader then Obi Wan is even more of a liar and we think so from the beginning). But even this route requires some foreshadowing that Obi Wan had previous apprentices.

3. I agree about the main characters.

Obi Wan does hint at arrogance, that he could teach him "better than Yoda."

I like Dawn of the Empire.

None of us will be able to satisfy everyone on every point. Interested in seeing what you come up with!

1. Nope. No maul at all.

 

2. I've been trying to figure out how to have Anakin turn into Darth Vader without it being particularly obvious on screen. An idea I had is for Anakin to go into a cave ,like the darkside cave in 'Empire'. He would enter as Anakin, but exit as Darth Vader. I'm not sure whether or not that could be conveyed visually though.

 

3. Yep, I agree with these points.

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One thing that's important for these prequels is for them to have strong titles. A lot of people have mocked 'The Phantom Menace', 'Attack Of The Clones' and 'Revenge Of The Sith' for their weak and 'shlocky' titles.

However, you don't want it to be too bland and have a title like 'The Clone Wars'. There needs to be a balance.

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Well, considering the Force, lightsabers, and mind tricks were all explained in the first movie, they really didn't need expositing again.

But according to Lucas, we're supposed to watch the movies in "Saga order." So then why would most stuff be explained only in Star Wars? Could it be that Lucas really made the series to be watched 4-6, 1-3?

That's a big reason why I would recommend a newcoming to see the OT first.

 

Exactly.  That's my point.  Despite Lucas's claims of what he wanted, he clearly made the films to be watched in a certain order: originals followed by prequels.  Granted, a few of his changes subvert this (like the end of ROTJ), but he's really serving two masters and doesn't really know what he's doing.

I'm showing my little sister the entire Star Wars Saga.  The order I'm showing her is the order I think is best: 4-6 (Unaltered), 1-3, 4-6 (Special Edition).  She's finished the unaltered trilogy, and is currently in the middle of Episode II.  We may not let her watch Episode III, though.

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She's 9.

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Bad place to have this conversation... but I would show them the OT many many times before showing them the PT. Let it cement in her mind before moving on to the new stuff.

Of course, you can read my thoughts elsewhere, I don't show my kids the PT at all... but if you were going to do it, I'd make sure it wasn't after a single watching of the OT.

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Why the hell is this thread in the script-writing forum and this thread isn't?

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greenpenguino said:
2. I've been trying to figure out how to have Anakin turn into Darth Vader without it being particularly obvious on screen. An idea I had is for Anakin to go into a cave ,like the darkside cave in 'Empire'. He would enter as Anakin, but exit as Darth Vader. I'm not sure whether or not that could be conveyed visually though.

 


I think any attempt at preserving the surprise that does not feature the on-screen apparent death of Anakin is wasting its time.

If there is any ambiguity about Anakin's fate, and if there's any mystery as to the true identiry of Vader, then any audience over 5 will have it solved in a parsec. (<- space/time joke)

That is, unless you avoid the Anakin turns to the Dark Side bit all together which begs the question of why are you telling this story in the first place?

Someone else has to be around that you assume is the Vader that Obi-Wan mentions in A New Hope. Or else Obi-Wan won't make any sense. You have to frame you Episode 3 so that Obi-Wan's notes in Episode 4 at least ressemble the truth.

Unless your last name is Lucas.

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To answer your question green, when this section of the forum was first set up xhonzi suggested a load of threads to me that should be moved in here. Looks like we both missed that one. I will move it now.

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To put things back on topic, I'd redo the prequels by cancelling them. One really good trilogy was enough.

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CP3S said:

To put things back on topic, I'd redo the prequels by cancelling them. One really good trilogy was enough.

Okay...  But then you'd be left with the question: "Why are the originals labeled IV, V, and VI?"

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Pennsylvania Jones said:

CP3S said:

To put things back on topic, I'd redo the prequels by cancelling them. One really good trilogy was enough.

Okay...  But then you'd be left with the question: "Why are the originals labeled IV, V, and VI?"

I always thought it was part of the uniqueness of Star Wars - it didn't need to be explained fully, it was enough that there was backstory we wouldn't ever find out about.