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As far as I know, these tapes are the digital master, while LD holds analog video. So the GOUT is a professionally done re-encode from digital to digital, while a '93 LD transfer is digital converted to analog and back to digital from the same original source.

Yeah, I was thinking that maybe they used the 1995 PAL master for Jedi? But then why wouldn't they use it for all the PAL GOUT DVDs? Does anyone know what tapes they used for the PAL transfers?

Do someone have that old Widescreen Review of the Definitive Collection LD set saved? or a link to it perhaps? You cannot access it any longer on their site.

I believe I have the actual magazine...but I'd have to look for it. What in particular information were you looking for?

MeBeJedi said:

I believe I have the actual magazine...but I'd have to look for it. What in particular information were you looking for?

I was just curious to read it again, nothing specific. IIRC it was a quite extensive review of the set, I had a PDF file of it before, but cannot seem to find it.

You should be able to download it on their site but it doesn't seem to work: http://www.widescreenreview.com/ld_detail.php?recid=1043

OmegaMattman said:

Anyhooo, after glancing at the first couple of AVI files, I must say this transfer is excellent, aside from the dot-crawl issues mentioned earlier.  In fact, during some of the opening bits, I saw less loss of vertical detail than I did on GOUT...specifically, during those early close-ups on Artoo.  I wonder if this could be overlaid on GOUT to clean-up some of that detail.

I have not seen this transfer myself yet, but I'm willing to believe you. I saw this thing on the Emperor hologram in Empire, where the DC LD preservation had detail that's missing in the GOUT: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Complete-Comparison-of-Special-Edition-Visual-Changes/post/452971/#TopicPost452971 looks more like interlace pattern on those pics though, but those are the actual scanlines, they are completely gone in the GOUT-transfer. But this is actually like comparing shit vs. shit.

The GOUT has a bizarre lack of detail in certain areas... for example, look at R2 in the final shot of Star Wars compared to any LD capture.

bkev said:

The GOUT has a bizarre lack of detail in certain areas... for example, look at R2 in the final shot of Star Wars compared to any LD capture.

Damn, you're right. Always thought that shot was just the PAL LD's vs GOUT, when it's actually detail loss compared to the NTSC LD's as well. Those horizontal lines on R2 is just a blurred mess in the GOUT. Even how bad this '93 master was, it's sad that we never got SW & Empire properly transferred in '06.

JediTemple pre-troll behavior from the screenshot thread said:
Official "GOUT" DVD - PAL
2006 George Lucas Original Unaltered Edition
Letterbox PAL
DVD9


Moth3r
1995 French THX PAL LDs
Anamorphic PAL
DVD5

I'm pretty sure that is due to the higher PAL resolution. The PAL GOUT is only an upscale of the NTSC master, so the fact that the screen is from the PAL GOUT DVD doesn't really mean anything.

Harmy that's sadly not the case. Look at the TR47/CowClops V2, taken from the NTSC DC:

Now, while not quite as nice as Moth3r's excellent transfer, you can still see what I'm talking about - at least, I hope.

I thought my description of it was quite clear already.

The same master:

NTSC GOUT

US Definitive Collection LD

OK, I see. But that's really weird. There's definitely less detail on R2 i the GOUT but look at Chewie's fur - there's definitely more detail in the GOUT there.

I believe that when they mastered the video for the GOUT discs, they applied a blur in the vertical direction possibly as an attempt to mask the jaggies/aliasing (which you'll notice is much worse in the non-blurred X0 files).

The GOUT video has less vertical detail than the laserdisc video. However, it has more horizontal detail because DVD has a higher bandwidth/more resolution than the laserdisc format.

It might be possible to reduce the jaggies but retain the detail using interpolation (nnedi, etc.) as an alternative to applying a simple vertical blur.

I was always surprised how bad the PAL GOUT looked and was just a conversion from the NTSC master, apart from ROTJ which was a different master. i wonder why they did this just for Jedi in PAL land?

Yeah, that's exactly what I said a few posts above.

Did the X0 team ever transfer the 1995 PAL LD? That could be interesting because it has less DVNR and more horizontal resolution, so a clean X0 transfer could actually be an improvement over the GOUT.

What day is it today...

The X0 is only an NTSC player. I don't recall that any of us had a PAL player.

Oh, right, of course.

And therein lies the reason why we were aiming to combine all these different sources via Black Magic. The GOUT is great for a lot of things, but as you can see it's got some detail loss in certain areas. The Japanese SC is very grainy, but IMO the colors are more accurate.

Also, it looks like my upload finally completed yesterday. Binsearch shows that no parts are missing, but I'd appreciate if someone could post here to confirm once they've successfully downloaded it.