thorr said:
For the audio settings, I would suggest using 640Kbps stereo AC3
Got damn, that is way overkill and a half for stereo audio LOL, no need for that at all, save for video.
thorr said:
You definitely want to encode it to 23.976 frame rate dropping extra frames from your 30 fps capture. You may also want to encode it to 1280x720.
Just to clarify, I didn't do a 30fps capture. I captured frames one-for-one into a .avi file with a DV codec. When played back, I think that a player is going to assume that it needs to be played at 30fps, so it appears too fast. Thus I don't need to drop any extra frames. (note, there are extra frames in the posted demo, because I added them after capture... but I won't do that in subsequent versions).
I've got the width stretching properly to 1280, but I'm not sure how to encode the height to 720 so that it adds black bars. Right now I'm encoding the height to 480 (i.e., leaving it as-is), and luckily VLC and GOM are adding the black bars on playback. But I'm not sure how to add them in the context of using xvid4psp for resizing. Should I resize the height to 720 in Vegas first, and then stretch the width in xvid4psp?
By the way, everyone, try out GOM player. On my 58" screen, with this clip, it does a better job than both VLC and WMP.
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dark_jedi said:
Got damn, that is way overkill and a half for stereo audio LOL,
This is mono!
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
dark_jedi said:
Got damn, that is way overkill and a half for stereo audio LOL,This is mono!
Hey, I am just commenting on what thorr said, and that is way to much, but if it is mono, it is still way to much, but ultimately, it is your decision to make, not ours.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Do you have Windows 7? I think that only the version of WMP under Windows 7 will play dimensions larger than 1080.
I tried both WMP 11 and mplayer2.exe (6.4) and they both ran it just fine on Windows XP.
canofhumdingers said:
how are people playing this in windows media player?
Install the DivX Plus codecs: http://www.divx.com/en/software/divx-plus
^ It'll try to install the DivX Player and a bunch of other stuff too, just tell it not to.
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dark_jedi said:
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
dark_jedi said:
Got damn, that is way overkill and a half for stereo audio LOL,This is mono!
Hey, I am just commenting on what thorr said, and that is way to much, but if it is mono, it is still way to much, but ultimately, it is your decision to make, not ours.
I was agreeing with you.
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OH, I thought you were yelling at me LOL, so we both agree it is extreme overkill, cool, still though, it is ultimately up to you, how and at what bit rate you use, but if it is only mono, well obviously leave most of the room for the video.
Clip is excellent Puggo, pseudo-HD is definitely the way to go with this. Will share some of my thoughts on the questions raised a bit later.
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AssumeFPS("film") worked. Thanks!!!
The scripts for aligning and combining the clips also worked! So now I have to identify those scenes that might benefit from it, because judging from the output many scenes won't. If there were a way to have it choose pixels based on which pixel is less extreme (that is, pick the pixel closer to the midpoint, which should use the lighter source in the dark areas, and the darker source in the light areas - rather than averaging them), then it could probably be used everywhere. Hmm, I wonder if anyone has ever written a script to do that? As it is, it may only be useful for improving sections that are already pretty good in both sources.
Pretty remarkable nonetheless. I could see using this for a variety of applications besides this one.
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
The scripts for aligning and combining the clips also worked! So now I have to identify those scenes that might benefit from it, because judging from the output many scenes won't. If there were a way to have it choose pixels based on which pixel is less extreme (that is, pick the pixel closer to the midpoint, which should use the lighter source in the dark areas, and the darker source in the light areas - rather than averaging them), then it could probably be used everywhere. Hmm, I wonder if anyone has ever written a script to do that? As it is, it may only be useful for improving sections that are already pretty good in both sources.
Pretty remarkable nonetheless. I could see using this for a variety of applications besides this one.
I'm glad it works. Maybe you could try to change this variable:
avgcap1cap2=overlay(cap1out,cap2out,mode="blend",opacity=0.5)
to something like this:
avgcap1cap2=overlay(cap1out,cap2out,mode="luma",opacity=0.5)
(darkclip,lightclip,mode="luma,opacity=0.5)
The base clip should probably be the darker clip and the overlay clip should be the lighter clip. Then change the opacity to try and find what you are looking for. opacity=1 might even work.
It might work, might not.
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
The scripts for aligning and combining the clips also worked!
Oh, I assumed you had already done that in that clip, and was surprised at how well it had turned out.
I'm sure there must be some tuts out there for combining HDR together (I've never actually done it myself), you'd just have to figure out how to apply that to video.
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I just watched the PSB clip alongside Adywans' theatrical reconstruction at the same time in two seperate video players on my monitor. The differences are pretty incredible in the snow and ice scenes. I had thought that the 2004 dvd was extremely blue, and when I saw Adywan's color corrected scenes those looked "right" to me, but now I have to go back and revise my opinion.
The blues in the PSB scenes are just the right kind of pastel hues that look otherworldly, and almost a little dreamlike. It definitely changes the tone of the planet. I think the ability for Ady or anyone else to go back and re-re-color correct ESB alone makes this project worth the effort.
Man, I wish I had a projector or otherwise big screen to watch this or PG on.
I actually think the blue look is a result of the aging. I recall seeing a documentary from back when they first did the special editions that showed the old print they had to work from and it was extremely blue. I could be wrong though. I'm not a film expert.
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dark_jedi said:
thorr said:
For the audio settings, I would suggest using 640Kbps stereo AC3
Got damn, that is way overkill and a half for stereo audio LOL, no need for that at all, save for video.
Oops, you are totally right of course. That's what I get for posting late at night. I was thinking of 6 channel audio bit rates even though I said stereo. 192Kbps is more than enough for mono.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
I've got the width stretching properly to 1280, but I'm not sure how to encode the height to 720 so that it adds black bars. Right now I'm encoding the height to 480 (i.e., leaving it as-is), and luckily VLC and GOM are adding the black bars on playback. But I'm not sure how to add them in the context of using xvid4psp for resizing. Should I resize the height to 720 in Vegas first, and then stretch the width in xvid4psp?
By the way, everyone, try out GOM player. On my 58" screen, with this clip, it does a better job than both VLC and WMP.
You can add the black bars in xvid4psp to get it to 1280x720. I don't remember how to do it off the top of my head, and I can't get to my computer right now to try it out because my dad is sleeping in there. If you can't figure it out, I will eventually get to my computer and try to help. :-)
althor1138 said:
The base clip should probably be the darker clip and the overlay clip should be the lighter clip. Then change the opacity to try and find what you are looking for. opacity=1 might even work.
Ok, that gives me some things to experiment with. By "base clip", do you mean cap1 or cap2 in the script?
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thorr said:
dark_jedi said:
thorr said:
For the audio settings, I would suggest using 640Kbps stereo AC3
Got damn, that is way overkill and a half for stereo audio LOL, no need for that at all, save for video.
Oops, you are totally right of course. That's what I get for posting late at night. I was thinking of 6 channel audio bit rates even though I said stereo. 192Kbps is more than enough for mono.
Try convincing us old Laserdisc guys of that. ;)
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thorr said:
You can add the black bars in xvid4psp to get it to 1280x720. I don't remember how to do it off the top of my head, and I can't get to my computer right now to try it out because my dad is sleeping in there. If you can't figure it out, I will eventually get to my computer and try to help. :-)
There isn't a rush on that. Whenever it's convenient, if you could find out and let me know that would be great. I have plenty of things to keep me busy for at least several weeks before I actually need it.
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Why would you like to add black bars? As said before, it´s not necessary in MKV. The test video looked great on my PC aside from the pulldown. In my opinion it only would blow up the file size and make it more complicated to edit the video or using anamorphic lenses on beamers etc.
But if there´s a good reason to do so maybe you could do a version without.
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althor1138 said:
The base clip should probably be the darker clip and the overlay clip should be the lighter clip. Then change the opacity to try and find what you are looking for. opacity=1 might even work.Ok, that gives me some things to experiment with. By "base clip", do you mean cap1 or cap2 in the script?
The base clip is the "bottom"clip in overlay. The overlay clip is the clip put on top of the base clip. the base clip is always the first clip entered into the overlay filter. So the base clip in the filter below should be your darkest clip, regardless of whether it's cap1 or cap2. If they are backwards, just flip them around.
Overlay(BASE clip,overlay clip,mode="luma",opacity=0.5)
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d020 said:
Why would you like to add black bars? As said before, it´s not necessary in MKV. The test video looked great on my PC aside from the pulldown. In my opinion it only would blow up the file size and make it more complicated to edit the video or using anamorphic lenses on beamers etc.
But if there´s a good reason to do so maybe you could do a version without.
The reason is so you can play it on a blu-ray player and remove the requirement to use a PC or other device. Adding black bars is negligable in terms of file size (it's all black and never changes), and also, it does not make it more complicated with anamorphic lenses at all. It will be the same as playing any blu-ray. On the other hand, if it was encoded without the black bars, it would need to be re- encoded to be blu-ray compatible (extra work for Puggo, or video loss for us if he doesn't do it to begin with and leaves it up to us to re-encode). I am not 100% sure if what I am saying is true about the 720 requirement because I haven't tried to create a blu-ray (actually I mean an AVCHD DVD) from Puggo's file yet to test it. Maybe it is not needed.
I agree, put the black bars on, I myself would rather watch this on my standalone Blu-ray player or PS3 than sit and watch it on my PC, this would be no different than my Blu project I am doing, and I AM putting the black bars on and making this a Blu-ray compliant 720p encode.
althor1138 said:
The base clip is the "bottom"clip in overlay. The overlay clip is the clip put on top of the base clip. the base clip is always the first clip entered into the overlay filter. So the base clip in the filter below should be your darkest clip, regardless of whether it's cap1 or cap2. If they are backwards, just flip them around.Overlay(BASE clip,overlay clip,mode="luma",opacity=0.5)
Ok, that's clear. What about the first of the two scripts? this one...
reel1cap2 = avisource("PATH TO FILE")
reel1cap1 = avisource("PATH TO FILE")
blank=reel1cap1.blankclip()
inter=interleave(reel1cap2,reel1cap1,blank)
return(inter)
Does it matter which one is the darker ("base") clip?
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No, that doesn't matter. Which capture of reel 1 is your darker capture and which is the lightest?
*EDIT*
What I mean is when you entered your captures into the script, was it cap1 or cap2 that was the darkest of the 2 captures.
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