Thank you so much hairy_hen for clearing this all up for us, now we know.
So is there any other audio out there to add in the folder besides Ady's ESB? I have found my DVD and am ripping it now, maybe I will put together a HUGE folder of GOUT sync'd audio, I will check his file and make sure it is in sync.
Are you looking for any score-only tracks? I think there are a number of those.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
a score only track would be pretty rad
DJ and ABC's Empire score-only edition is pretty fantastic. It's not as cool if you don't watch the film in black-and-white with it, but it still sounds brilliant either way.
Not sure about any particularly good SW or ROTJ score-only tracks.
The old Edit Droid discs had isolated scores, if you're looking.
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I used Ady's mix for my TESB PDE (which should be the same sync as GOUT) and I felt it was in sync but fishosaurus says that he thinks that while it syncs in the beginning, there is a 175 ms delay by the end. Now, this could also be an issue with my PDE video, so it may sync just fine with the GOUT but it's certainly worth paying attention to.
ChainsawAsh said:
DJ and ABC's Empire score-only edition is pretty fantastic. It's not as cool if you don't watch the film in black-and-white with it, but it still sounds brilliant either way.
Not sure about any particularly good SW or ROTJ score-only tracks.
Ha, you caught that, I was just going to add that to the list of PCM's.
Harmy said:
I used Ady's mix for my TESB PDE (which should be the same sync as GOUT) and I felt it was in sync but fishosaurus says that he thinks that while it syncs in the beginning, there is a 175 ms delay by the end. Now, this could also be an issue with my PDE video, so it may sync just fine with the GOUT but it's certainly worth paying attention to.
It is NOT in sync with the GOUT ESB, I just checked all along the time line, it fluctuates quit a bit, so I will not be including it in my Folder of tracks, I sure as hell do not feel like going through that and sync'ing it up, OH well, is there any other tracks to add or no?
schorman13 said:
The old Edit Droid discs had isolated scores, if you're looking.
If the scores on those discs is anything like the ones on OCP's discs the score SUX bad, it is very flat, look at the wav form on that compared to the wav form on ABC's IE score for Empire, HUGE difference, and I have a feeling that is where OCP got his from, ofcourse he could have ruined them, I will have to check.
I doubt you'll find anything close to sounding as good as ABC's Empire score for SW and Jedi. The only way to do that is to take one of ABC's SW or Jedi score restorations and make your own isolated score track with it.
Yeah, I checked adywan's ESB mix too by decoding it to individual wavs, and it definitely doesn't synch with the GOUT. In the beginning and the end of the movie it's delayed by about 8,000 samples or thereabouts (approximately 4 frames), but in the middle it fluctuates quite a bit, sometimes only half a frame off and other times around 2 or 3, but never by the same amount. If it were consistent it wouldn't be too difficult to get it to work with GOUT-based video, or using GOUT-synched audio tracks with his video, but since the synch keeps changing it's never going to line up all the time. It could be watchable, but it's probably best not to do that. I guess his version doesn't have quite the same frame count, even though it's close. It's quite a good track, though; I have only a few minor quibbles with some of the SE's mixing choices, but most of it sounds great.
How would you compare it to yours? is your version the preferred version, in your opinion of course, but I would like to know, I am just trying to see if it would be worth sync'ing or not, I am leaning towards not,because I have mentioned several times how extremely BORING it is.
hairy_hen: Thanks for the details on the soundtracks. :) I have a question. On the previous page you said:
"Not everyone wants to hear the movies with all of these changes, since some of them are in fan-edit territory, so by popular request the 'version 3' mixes were made, and will be used by d_j along with the SW 70mm on the upcoming dvd's. ***For the most part they are exactly the same, except the music edits for Fett and Obi-wan were removed and reverted to their 1993 forms.*** The 35mm inserts for the snowspeeder and for Vader's defeat are still present, as are the glitch repairs."
Why would those two things in the highlighted sentence above be considered "fan edits"? Isn't restoring the music in those two places (Boba Fett leaving Cloud City, and Obi-Wan on Dagobah) simply putting the music back the way it was in theaters before the 1997 SE? In which case it's not a fan edit, but rather a restoration of the unaltered theatrical version of the soundtrack.
Are the "version 2" 5.1 soundtracks identical to the "purist" versions of your 5.1 soundtracks in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, except for those two specific changes (theatrical restorations) not being included in the "purist" 5.1 soundtracks? All other edits, fixes, surround sound bass, LFE bass and blending of the 5.1 channels is the same?
The Star Wars trilogy. There can be only one.
Those changes are not restorations, that music was never there, it was just written and recorded for those scenes but never put in the films for any version of all the official sound-mixes.
Of course the scores on the editdroid are low quality, most likely equivalent to a mp3. You cannot fit a full bitrate PCM on there and keep the video quality as well, and have multiple audio tracks in lossless unless you are creating a blu ray disc.
From what i am aware of You cannot fit the gout video and the 1993 audio PCM even with the menus and lego thing stripped out, and fit it on a DVD9.
With no compression, much less fit on on a DVD5.
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@ d_j:
I do prefer mine, of course, since I spent a lot of time getting it exactly the way I wanted it to sound (lol), but adywan definitely did a good job with it. There are a couple places where the '04 surrounds don't quite match up with the '97 version (which is what he used for most of it), but really it's only a matter of splitting hairs--it never sounded bad, just different sometimes. The main thing I don't like about the SE mixes is that the surround channels are always way too loud, but he must have corrected for that problem, because the only times they ever distracted me was when they added new sound effects. Having discrete channels and stereo surrounds does sound nice, though mine are more 'authentic' with the mono rear effects how they would have been originally.
It's probably not a good idea to try to synch it with the GOUT, because it has already gone through lossy encoding twice, so that would end up with three stages of sound quality degradation.
@ Dunedain:
Harmy's description is correct, the 'purist' tracks are the ones that sound just like the theatrical releases, ie no music for Ben in RotJ, and the sliced up cue for Fett in ESB. The SE reinstated the music as recorded for the Fett scene, but no version ever used the Ben cue; it's only ever been available on the score releases. I used them for my own benefit because I like the way they sound (and could considered more 'original' in the sense that that's how John Williams composed them), but doing so is pretty much fan-editing the sound from how it is officially; hence making both available. The ESB cue came from the '97 stereo PCM and the RotJ cue was from ABC's remastered score, iZotope resampled to 48 khz.
hairy_hen said:
@ d_j:
I do prefer mine, of course, since I spent a lot of time getting it exactly the way I wanted it to sound (lol), but adywan definitely did a good job with it. There are a couple places where the '04 surrounds don't quite match up with the '97 version (which is what he used for most of it), but really it's only a matter of splitting hairs--it never sounded bad, just different sometimes. The main thing I don't like about the SE mixes is that the surround channels are always way too loud, but he must have corrected for that problem, because the only times they ever distracted me was when they added new sound effects. Having discrete channels and stereo surrounds does sound nice, though mine are more 'authentic' with the mono rear effects how they would have been originally.
It's probably not a good idea to try to synch it with the GOUT, because it has already gone through lossy encoding twice, so that would end up with three stages of sound quality degradation.
Thanks hairy_hen, you pretty much said exactly what I was thinking anyways, your tracks do sound AWESOME!
1 more thing, I never even watched Ady's ESB Theatrical, or anyone's recent projects, for 1, I do not have most of them, and 2, I have been to damn busy with this set.
Ok, thanks for the clarification. :)
Well, I do tend to be a purist when it comes to the theatrical presentation of the Star Wars trilogy, so the purist 5.1 soundtrack would be my preferred 5.1 soundtrack option. But I do agree that at least in the scene with Obi-Wan it would have made sense to have the original theatrical soundtrack include that special magical force music when Obi-Wan appears to speak with Luke. It fits so perfectly, I'm surprised that they never used it in any theatrical presentation.
The Star Wars trilogy. There can be only one.
dark_jedi said:
I use BD-RB ALL the time for my BD's and stuff so I know the x264 codec is the shit! really GREAT results.
ChainsawAsh said:
DJ and ABC's Empire score-only edition is pretty fantastic. It's not as cool if you don't watch the film in black-and-white with it, but it still sounds brilliant either way.
Not sure about any particularly good SW or ROTJ score-only tracks.
Belbucus did a score/dialogue soundtrack for SW. It's basically an isolated score, but in scenes with no music he added the dialogue and effects back in so that the audio wouldn't be totally silent during those parts.
He also gave the cantina music a treatment to make it sound more like a live band, IIRC.
It's available as a GOUT-synced PCM.
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ChainsawAsh said:
I doubt you'll find anything close to sounding as good as ABC's Empire score for SW and Jedi. The only way to do that is to take one of ABC's SW or Jedi score restorations and make your own isolated score track with it.
Hang on - Wrong thread, I guess, but ABC did score restorations for the other films?! I did not even know!
Whew! Thanks for the info h_h, that's a lot to digest.
d_j, would you / could you consider including some sort of "read me" file with these discs, or perhaps include something in the DVD menu, to illustrate the differences between all these tracks?
I'd volunteer to do it, but I think others here would be much more qualified to do it than me.
EDIT:
One more thing. Sorry for the audio-noob question, but given the track listings from the previous page, does that mean when I pop in one of these movies (e.g., Star Wars) I'll have a total of nice tracks to choose from? Just asking, as I'm not sure if the PCM/AC3 tracks are separate choices I can make, or if the player decides what tracks to make available.
EDIT #2:
Oops, "nice" = "nine / 9"
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corellian77 said:
Whew! Thanks for the info h_h, that's a lot to digest.
d_j, would you / could you consider including some sort of "read me" file with these discs, or perhaps include something in the DVD menu, to illustrate the differences between all these tracks?
I'd volunteer to do it, but I think others here would be much more qualified to do it than me.
That is a GREAT question, and to be honest I suck at NFO's, and the static menu's are going to be short and sweet, no description at all(like who made them and what source etc.) just what it is, and you choose, so if anyone here wants to work up an NFO for me to include in the DVD_ROM folder that would be nice(it could be 1 NFO to cover ALL), but for right now all I was planning on doing on top of all the Thanking I already did, was just a blanket Shout out Thanks to ALL involved right in this thread, so if anyone is up to the task, that would be great, and we can PM back and forth for all details on who did what for what , etc.
corellian77 said:
EDIT:
One more thing. Sorry for the audio-noob question, but given the track listings from the previous page, does that mean when I pop in one of these movies (e.g., Star Wars) I'll have a total of nice tracks to choose from? Just asking, as I'm not sure if the PCM/AC3 tracks are separate choices I can make, or if the player decides what tracks to make available.
NO, there will not be ALL them choices LOL, there will be NO PCM tracks on these DVD's, it will all be AC3.
Updated post #1431 to include the Edit Droid Isolated Scores, I have touched them up and made them more in sync with the GOUT video, these don't sound quit as bad as I first thought, but no where near as sweet as ABC's work!
LOL, I said I would not do anymore audio work and now I am trying to find some, SO is there anything else that should be added to the list on post #1431? tell me now.
