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Good to hear. Honestly, we've all seen these movies hundreds of times. Do we still read the subs?
Good to hear. Honestly, we've all seen these movies hundreds of times. Do we still read the subs?
Just to let everyone know, I actually wanted to fix those jaggies, but I simply couldn't get that script to work, and I really doubt that method had done any difference anyway, as the anti-aliasing in g-force script wasn't able to fix it completely, but I may be wrong. If you study the subs you'll notice it, but not if you just read them in regular fashion, I also noticed that those jaggies are visible in Pwnage and g-force's subs as well, it's just that they perhaps become more visible in my script, because I have them in picture and without halo color. Don't know if you can see it on these screen-caps:
Moth3r's "Pwnage"
g-force stabilization
msycamore
msycamore (interlaced) this is the one, d_j uses on his v.3
Btw. thanks for all the feedback in this thread!
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Your subs look amazing in those screen caps msycamore. I'm looking forward to seeing this whole thing come together dj.
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Yes they look fine. And I mean... seriously? You're worried about subtitles looking slightly jaggy? I mean does it really matter? I can just see it now.
Person 1 and 2 watching the set.
Person 1:Oh this looks nice, much better than the gout!
Person 2:Yes, but wtf those letters at the bottom of the screen are slightly jaggy! This is highly important and is ruining the movie for me!
Person 1: Oh your right. Damn, those stinking subtitles. If you look very closely, you can just barely see some jagginess in them! Those subtitles I barely notice ruined the movie for me.
Thanks msycamore for the pics, this is why we decided to leave it, it is not bad at all, and it is on everyone elses to LOL, so the render of the new and improved Star Wars is done, all I need to do is encode for the V3 and MBE and SW is getting put to DVD(finally).
Now I need some input for Empire, I am going to start the samples with the exact same tweak I used for Star Wars for my starting point, so what scenes should I post comparisons of? let's get this one started.
Some good ones to check would be a close-up of Han in the Echo Base hangar bay on Hoth. And another of the AT-AT's advancing on the base. Luke recovering in the base hospital after being in the bacta tank. A close-up of Han and Leia onboard the Millennium Falcon when they are talking. Darth Vader and Boba Fett standing near the carbon freezing chamber. Vader and Luke dueling where there is a nice clear frame and they and their lightsabers aren't in motion. Vader on the Cloud City walkway as he is talking with Luke.
These will give us a good idea of what the flesh tones as well as overall colors are looking like using the lastest color correction settings. :)
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dark_jedi said:
Now I need some input for Empire, I am going to start the samples with the exact same tweak I used for Star Wars for my starting point, so what scenes should I post comparisons of? let's get this one started.
for the layer break I will just try and use the one used on the GOUT, now I just need to figure out how to find that info again, then I will let ImgBurn do the rest.
Update on using the SW color tweak for Empire, it does not work, hardly any difference at all, this one may end up not needing any tweaks at all, which if that is the case, it would be fine by me, then this one would be done to.
Hmm, or maybe it needs more boost to get the colors noticeably closer to the theatrical appearance? Not sure. Maybe the colors aren't as far off in The Empire Strikes Back, not as under saturated as in the GOUT Star Wars DVD? I guess we'd need to see some comparison shots to the reference sources available to get an idea.
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I'll have to see a shot or two of yoda. Is he green or brown? or blue?
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OK so far the only thing that I am not 100% happy with is that this script IS very dark, so I am trying to adjust that a little, unless everyone likes it this dark, well here are a few samples so far.
There was actually a shot I saw earlier while browsing the file that was so dark you couldn't even make out Vaders face.
Here's some Yoda,
I prefer the tweaks on ESB! Pics 5 and 6 sold me. It shows much more detail.
Not much of a difference, but that's not a bad thing. I vote for the tweaks as well.
I like it DJ, but can you do anything about the purple light saber? The blue looks really blown out to me....anybody else see that?
But I like yoda and luke, they look real good.
PS Anybody else see the red halo around Darth's saber? Maybe all the colors are really blown up and might need to be turned downed?
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I must admit that I can't see any problems with the sabers. Yoda does look subtly better.
Screenshots look good. Not sure I can notice much with the tweaks other than it looks a little brighter in some parts - something like this will happen anyway with people's various screen setups - not sure if it's worth bothering with or not d_j. I am personally happy either way if I am totally honest though.
Also, the lightsabers look the best they have ever done when you compare other sources/versions.
The most interesting test will be how the lightsabers look at the end of ROTJ when luke and vader are fighting - vader's lightsaber always looked muted or pink in nearly all versions I have seen - was worse in 2004SE but still present in older versions.
Those rich deep black levels and strong colors look great, excellent video. :) But it does seem a bit dark overall in some of those pictures, so as long as it doesn't have any negative affect on the space scenes, then I'm fine with the subtle adjustment shown.
I don't see any problems with the lightsabers.
dark_jedi: Is the tweak shown only to increase the brightness a bit, did you leave out the increase in saturation you tested earlier when preparing these pictures?
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Saturation has been boosted a little to, so what do you guys suggest, help me out here, obviously color is good, but I just think it is to dark in general.
Oh and there is absolutely nothing I can do to the light sabers alone, they get tweaked with everything else, I thought they looked good myself.
Yeah, those sabers look fantastic to me. Luke's saber isn't the same color as it seems to be in ANH, but I think that's a reality of the films and not something to discuss here. The tweaked ESB shots look great. I'm pretty darned excited about all this.
ChainsawAsh said:
Not much of a difference, but that's not a bad thing.
I'm glad you said that. I'm still getting used to this stupid new LCD monitor of mine and I dunno where I'm supposed to look to see the proper amount of light! :p I miss my CRT for that.
OK here are the final specs for the V3 DVD's
Video specs for the V3 DVD's:
Star Wars
-Static Menu's w\Audio
-V3: 16:9 anamorphic widescreen 2.35:1 @ 6500kbps avg.
-MBE: 16:9 anamorphic widescreen 2.35:1 @ 8500kbps avg. *note, movie only w\1977 70mm Six-Track Reconstruction (Dolby Digital 5.1) @ 448kbps
Empire
-Static Menu's w\Audio
-Bonus Rare 1980 "Empire Hotline" Recordings Featuring - C-3PO, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader
-V3: 16:9 anamorphic widescreen 2.35:1 @ 6500kbps avg.
-MBE: 16:9 anamorphic widescreen 2.35:1 @ 8260kbps avg. *note, movie only w\Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "PURIST" Remix @ 448kbps
Jedi
-Static Menu's w\Audio
-V3: 16:9 anamorphic widescreen 2.35:1 @ 6500kbps avg.
-MBE: 16:9 anamorphic widescreen 2.35:1 @ 7870kbps avg. *note, movie only w\Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "PURIST" Remix @ 448kbps
Audio order and specs for the V3 DVD's:
Star Wars
- Audio 1: 1977 70mm Six-Track Reconstruction (Dolby Digital 5.1) @ 448kbps
- Audio 2: 1977 Theatrical 2.0 Surround @256kbps
- Audio 3: 1977 Theatrical Mono @ 128kbps
- Audio 4: 1985 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix @ 256kbps
- Audio 5: 1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix @ 256kbps
Empire
- Audio 1: Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "PURIST" Remix @ 448kbps
- Audio 2: 1980 Theatrical 2.0 Surround @ 256kbps
- Audio 3: 1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix @ 256kbps
Jedi
- Audio 1: Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "PURIST" Remix @ 448kbps
- Audio 2: 1983 Theatrical 2.0 Surround @ 256kbps
- Audio 3: 1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix @ 256kbps
***** ALL DVD's ARE DVD9's *****
!!!!! And before anyone asks, YES the DD 5.1 mix for Empire and Jedi are the latest versions hairy_hen did, I guess we are dubbing them the "Purist" version.
That's an outstanding lineup of audio tracks! Sorry, but what does MBE refer to?
Ripplin said:
That's an outstanding lineup of audio tracks! Sorry, but what does MBE refer to?
V3 is just the standard DVD with the static menu's and all the audio tracks, and ESB bonus.
MBE is Maximum Bitrate Edition, movie and DD 5.1 track only.
How much quality difference is there between the V3 DVDs and the MBEs? I mean, I can see the bitrate differences you list, but what does that actually mean to my eyes?