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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 354

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Molly said:

In some places PT Williams reminds me more of Danny Elfman.

I don't know who would be more offended ;-)

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Jaitea said:

If you listen to JW's scores at the time of SW....like Jaws, CE3K, Superman, Raiders & ESB....they all have a similar feel,....interchangeable

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They all sound like variations on the wedding march to me.

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I have two beefs with the PT music. The first is the lack of tight system of leitmotif — yes, there is an "Anakin's Theme" and "Qui-Gon's Theme" and all, but apart from "Across the Stars" they're not used the way his leitmotifs are used in the OT.

The other is the distinct lack of the main fanfare outside of the opening crawl. It's used in maybe one action scene in TPM and at the very end of ROTS.

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RoccondilRinon said:

I have two beefs with the PT music. The first is the lack of tight system of leitmotif — yes, there is an "Anakin's Theme" and "Qui-Gon's Theme" and all, but apart from "Across the Stars" they're not used the way his leitmotifs are used in the OT.

The other is the distinct lack of the main fanfare outside of the opening crawl. It's used in maybe one action scene in TPM and at the very end of ROTS.

I agree. The main theme doesn't show up nearly enough, although I can think of at least a few other instances in which it does, in fact, appear. The problem is that it's really been buried--almost hidden--and can be difficult to hear unless you're really listening for it or have listened to the soundtrack several times over, as I have. This leads to yet another problem, however, as there is so much cut-and-pasting in the PT and the soundtracks (at least as commercially released) do not flow in a way that is really coherent or relevant to the progression or pacing of the story.

All that being said, though, I am a HUGE fan of John Williams and I think that a lot of the work he did for the PT was absolutely brilliant, but misused. For example, I've always been very fond of the march that plays as the Trade Federation invades Theed, but I do have to admit that I'd have trouble imagining that particular piece playing during any OT moment.

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My biggest problem with the prequel music is how "Duel of the Fates" was turned from a majestic battle theme into just another pour-it-on-like-ketchup song. When I first heard it on MTV's Total Request Live (the only orchestral song to make it onto TRL, IIRC), I was blown away by it, and by the images from TPM. By the time ROTS rolled around, it was like, "Oh, yeah, here's 'Fates' again, ho-hum."

That being said -- and to bring this on-topic -- I actually liked the fact that Adywan incorporated "Battle of the Heroes" into the Vader/Kenobi duel. It gives a sense of connection, with the same music as the backdrop for both their first and last duels. If it were me, I'd keep it in Revisited HD, but include an alternate audio track where the score is not used. Everybody wins.

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^In case you get any knocks for calling it a song, it does have lyrics.

A case could be made for using Duel Of Fates during Anakin's search for his mother and using Droid Invasion for the clones reveal but it didn't work for me.

Like using the Imperial March before the Empire exists it just seemed to be a scatter gun approach to musical choices.

Battle Of The Heroes made perfect sense in ANH:R but I would have liked to have heard perhaps version without the choir.

It was a more muted, internalised duel that the ROTS one so keeping the theme but taking away some of the flourish makes even more sense to me, personally.

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Yeah, I loved the use of that theme in ANHR. I'd be OK with using an instrumental version — it'd probably blend better — but I hope it's kept in ARSE at least as an option. Same with the Emperor's theme in the Death Star roundtable scene.

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New Hope for me always felt quite toned down from the other movies, and in as much as it WAS the first movie, done on a smaller budget, with new actors, I think it SHOULD feel a little more toned down. Its part of its charm. So the added music for me just felt really out of place. Ady made some really nice improvements that I think needed to be made so that the film didn't look ridiculous next to the other 2.....but the music changed the feel of the movie for me. Personally I think that the lack of Imperial March in ANH goes a long way it making the film its own movie, the same way that its appearance in ESB makes ESB a new experience. Each film builds on whats already been made by adding things....to go back and put these added touches in all previous movies just makes them meld together far too much and removes and individual character the films scores might have had

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I don't really have a problem with the Emperor's theme but I wouldn't mind if it wasn't there.

Like muddyknees, I also didn't much like the addition of the Imperial March because it is such a notorious piece of music, that it never goes unnoticed by me and therefore takes me out of the movie every time.

And the addition of prequel music felt completely wrong for me, as I tend to ignore the existence of the prequels when I watch the real STAR WARS and being reminded of their existence in one of the coolest sequences of the original film isn't something I'd appreciate. When I watched STAR WARS B.P. ( before prequels ;-)  ) I could imagine what Vader's and Ben's lines during their fight meant as something great. Now I'm forced to remember the boring 10hrs long perfectly choreographed fighting sequence with atrocious acting and dialogue being thrown at me here and there. And having to listen to the music that was used in that fight only reinforces that :-(

But on the other hand, there seem to be many people who enjoy these additions, so like I already said, there's no need for a Purist Edit, all that needs to be done to please most people is to put in a Purist audio mix. And it wouldn't even be necessary to do that, just release the Purist mix separately and anyone who wants it can mux it in themselves.

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I didn't mind the Imperial March, yes I noticed it but that was more down to extreme familiarity with all prior versions without it.

It makes sense after the fact that it should be there (if you catch my drift).

In an SE reworking it fits perfectly.

The Emperor's Theme not so much.

It reminds us that olde pruney is still out there and doing naughty things (closing the doors on the Senate) but it doesn't fit what we see on screen (Tarkin is too secular a villain to have that mystically evil music heralding his entrance).

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Another thing to bear in mind is that Williams originally composed a different piece for the end of AOTC which would lead into the love theme.

Lucas though, with all his lack of wisdom prefered to have the IM plopped in ....nice one GL.

You can hear a second or so of what was originally intended in the Across The Stars music video at about 51 seconds in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqE7bm11WJo

My God, how I would love to hear the original full piece!

 

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I recently sat down to watch ANH:R with my fourteen-year-old sister for the first time. We have something of a home theatre at my house—an HD projector complete with a 109" screen and 7.1 surround sound. Adywan's work looked absolutely amazing on the big screen, though it reminded me to ask something that I've wondered about for quite a while. I haven't seen it addressed at length anywhere in the forums, but I apologize if this has already been discussed elsewhere. No matter how much I tinkered with the audio settings, I couldn't help but feel that it sounded sort of tinny and hollow in a way. I'm not an editor myself and don't really understand much of the processes behind it, but I've noticed that fan edits in general (even those that look amazing) rarely sound as good as one would hope. In the case of Adywan's edit, however, I notice that it only sounds tinny when I play it on the surround system. In fact, it sounds completely fine when played on my computer and television. I was just wondering if this is something that will still be present in ESB:R and/or the HD version of ANH:R.

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Strange- it sounds fine on my system. There are known issues with the audio, especially the dialogue, where between lines the recording quality and pitch change. However, that has been in most versions of the film, so that wouldn't be Adywan's fault. You say the entire movie sounds tinny?

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Star Wars' dialogue always sounded tinny. It just hidden under the beefiness of Ben Burtts  bad tweaks on the 2004 DVDs.

Empire will sound wonderful, I am sure of it, because it has sounded good all the way up to 2004.

 

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Yeah, the whole thing sounded that way. Like I said, though, only through my surround sound system. It sounds fine on my computer and television.

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That sounds like a problem with your settings, especially given that it sounds fine on your computer and tv.

I've never noticed a problem.

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It's been a while since I've burned a copy of this to a dvd. I know that you don't go through Windows movie maker. Somehow you "copy image" or something. Can someone give the rundown again? Thanks.

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What 005 said.  ImgBurn is simply the best tool around for burning CDs and DVDs, and DVD video images in particular (especially DVD-9 images; it's pretty much the only one around that manages to get them right).  Plus, it's free. :-)

Recommendation: if you're going to burn the DVD-9 image, use Verbatim DVD+R DL discs.  Using any other brand almost guarantees you'll get a very shiny, very expensive coaster.  And NEVER use DVD-R DL discs; they're incompatible with just about every DVD player out there, old and new.

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Thanks guys!!

I'm actually just burning the first version of revisited with the Ponda Baba "flipper" hand and no extras.

Theatrically, I like that version better because although I do agree that it looks like Ben also hits Dr. Evazan with his saber, Lucas must have had in mind that it was Baba's arm that got cut off.

Although I do love the visual commentary Adywan has on the DVD-9 version!! He must do something with cinematography and have an eye for this stuff, because there are things he changed for the better that I never even noticed the first time.

The dogfight at the end is just a work of art!! It would be awesome if Lucasfilm took a hint and "fixed" for the last time the things Adywan has done for the blueray or 3-d versions of the films.

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Adywan, you need to update the info page of your facebook ANH Revisited Page. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=85531634143#!/group.php?gid=85531634143&v=info

On the bottom you say this:

 

Adywan:

I didn't use any HD footage for the edit. I was too far into the edit before a HD source became available and i didn't want to start from scratch.
There wouldn't be any benefit for me to release an upscaled version of ANH:R and i won't be doing a HD version of ANH:R unless a restored HD version of the theatrical edition miraculously shows up and we all know that isn't going to happen.
You are better off letting a good player upscale the DVD

December 12, 2010 OT.com forum.

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Sshhh! Don't remind him he said that. He might change his mind ;-)

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brash_stryker said:

Sshhh! Don't remind him he said that. He might change his mind ;-)

That doesn't make sense. So you hope that he will more likely make ANH Revisited in HD because he forgot he changed his mind?