The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 206

That doesn't make sense..... That's like saying, well, we had Jedi in one of the movies, they shouldn't be in another.... That's the same stupid mentality that got us Ewoks instead of wookies in ROTJ.

And haven't you heard the saying that a girl will marry a man like her father... Lots of truth in that... So think about it..... Maybe that's secretly why she was attracted to Han, because he seemed similar to the man who helped shape who she is.

In any case, I think the movies need this contrast between different archetypal characters to add interest and drama. At the moment, all the main guys are sterile monks with no personality. As well as being more like knights than they are currently, they need that interaction with characters with differing ideologies and approaches to situations.

E.g.

Consider this. Obi Wan and Bail Organa have ended up in "aggressive negotiations". The blast doors have closed and Obi Wan begins suggesting they look for an alternative route around (or something else suitably reserved and Jedi Like), at which point Bail Shoots the control panel and the doors open. Bail gives a cocky shrug and a smile.

Or the opposite kind of situation.

There are a troop of enemy clones up ahead. Bail goes to raise his blaster only for Obi Wan to stop him.

"There are alternatives to fighting"

He uses the force to create some kind of diversion and the clones leave. To which Bail says something like "and I thought this was gonna be fun"

That's just plucked out of thin air. Actual dialogue would be better, but you can see the potential there for comedy and interest as well as conflicts between main characters.

fishmanlee said:

brash_stryker said:

Off camera, she has given the baby girl to Bail Organa (who also needs to be a more rough and tumble Han Solo type rather than the dull Senator he's written as in the prequels)

 

no, he should not be like han solo at all, that would ruin the OT

I love how some people believe that one little character could possibly "ruin a whole film series". Are these films really that fragile?

fishmanlee said:

mrbenja0618 said:

That doesn't make sense..... That's like saying, well, we had Jedi in one of the movies, they shouldn't be in another.... That's the same stupid mentality that got us Ewoks instead of wookies in ROTJ.

And haven't you heard the saying that a girl will marry a man like her father... Lots of truth in that... So think about it..... Maybe that's secretly why she was attracted to Han, because he seemed similar to the man who helped shape who she is.

and its your mentality that got us the Jedi order as we know it in the prequels

Erm...no, fish. It's George Lucas's (edit: unstable) mentality that got us the Jedi in the prequels. There's a very big difference.

Again Fish, you miss the point. Jar Jar and and PT Anakin ruined the films they were IN. And that's because they sucked.

Whereas you said that improving a character that is currently as dull as they get, would somehow ruin the OT - a series of films made decades before.

fishmanlee said:

mrbenja0618 said:

That doesn't make sense..... That's like saying, well, we had Jedi in one of the movies, they shouldn't be in another.... That's the same stupid mentality that got us Ewoks instead of wookies in ROTJ.

And haven't you heard the saying that a girl will marry a man like her father... Lots of truth in that... So think about it..... Maybe that's secretly why she was attracted to Han, because he seemed similar to the man who helped shape who she is.

And its a mentality similar to yours that got us the Jedi order as we know it in the prequels, a bunch of superhero types

I'm curious how that works. Now, if I said every character in the prequels should be just like Han Solo, then your comment would be valid. I didn't say that.

Now, I will agree with you to an extent that there were an over abundance of Jedi in one action sequence in the prequels, but to say that they should have been few and far between goes against what was implied in OT. "They were the guardians of peace and justice..." That to me says there were many. Jedi are glorified cops, and you'll need plenty to provide justice across the entire galaxy. Not just 6. How would that work in my town if there were only 6 cops? 

Now if you're just simply saying that my mentality is the same that made Jedi superhero types.... Um.... Isn't that what they were supposed to be??? Why have powers if they aren't going to be viewed in that light?

Anyway, please read my posts before you misrepresent me. Thanks.

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA! I'm done... I don't even really have to comment on that.

fishmanlee said:

brash_stryker said:

Again Fish, you miss the point. Jar Jar and and PT Anakin ruined the films they were IN. And that's because they sucked.

Whereas you said that improving a character that is currently as dull as they get, would somehow ruin the OT - a series of films made decades before.

PT Anakin was in ROTJSE, but other than that, I stand corrected

 

OH GOD! I SEE HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN STANDING ON SCREEN FOR A FEW SECONDS WITHOUT ANY DIALOGUE! DEAR GOD! F*&% YOU LUCAS! YOU RUINED THE ENTIRE FILM! I TAKE BACK EVERYTHING I LIKED ABOUT IT BEFORE HE SHOWED UP! THERE IS NO GOD!

I'll be honest, while I don't like Hayden being replaced with Sebastian Shay, but did didn't ruin the whole film for me. NOW 'DEM EWOKS ON THE OTHER HAND! THEY RUINED EVERYTHING ABOUT MY LIFE!

fishmanlee said:

Well, flapjacks are better than Han Solo, and bacon will DESTROY the OT! Mark my words!

This made more sense than anything else you've said thus far.

Something I have been thinking about: in TPM, Qui-Gon presents Anakin to the Council, and says he thinks he is the Chosen One, while also pointing out that the Sith might have returned. Since the prophecy is about the Chosen One bringing balance by destroying the Sith, it would seem logical for the Jedi to understand that there is something bigger going, even though they never do. This is probably due to the prophecy not having been thought out at that point, but it's another thing that makes the Jedi look pretty dumb.

So how about we change some dialogue to "You refer to the prophecy of the Chosen One who will bring balance back to the Force [and destroy the Sith]. You believe it's this boy?". I'm sure we can grab that extra bit from one of the other movies, and it would also explain what the Prophecy exactly means, which now we only learn in ROTS.

It might also be nice if we could conclude TPM with the Jedi realizing that the Sith have indeed returned and that they must train Anakin so he can destroy them, but I don't see how we could actually do this.

Any thoughts on this?

ben_danger said:

very radical idea for rotj - i was thinking it would be cool if mon mothma in rotj could be replaced by a padme-alive, but has been in hiding character perhaps, but that would require some scene of her being reunited with leia and luke and explaining vader to them (cool, but impossible). - and of course scenes alluding to her death being cut.

i'd love it to be the show down between mother and father aswell to some degree.

   A stray thought for reducing ROTS trajedy.

   Move some of the meddroid-Obiwan footage to after the birth and have the droid say the only hope is to place her in carbon-freeze, though she would be much too weak to ever revive.

  It would mean an entirely different voice for the droid in a fan-edit.

   Stray thought.

  ^ A related thought.

   I had braced myself for an astonishing tragedy, and ROTS did not disappoint.

   To be honest, I thought that the way GL tied all the loose ends with such stunning visuals, moving performances and clever plot (Templar Knights) made ROTS a surpassing work of art.

   I've always felt that the only thing any film maker owes me is the feeling that it was worth the price of the ticket and the gas to and from the theater. GL has greatly exceeded that expectation in every case.

   At the same time, if such a marvelous saga can be improved upon, anyone who would be called a fan has the responsibility to make a reasonable effort to that end.

   And so: To further reduce the tragedy to more "PG" levels, could Aniken-Vader be made stronger? I had taken "A young Jedi..." to mean about 20. This would have put Vader in his early 40's in the OT. I didn't think of him as so greatly broken until ROTJ "He's more machine..." and "You've only forgotten." This makes it sound as if he has little responsibility and power.

   In a fan-edit, could we see only the very start of his catching fire, and then Obiwan's view is obscured by falling lava and great smoke? could his wounds be made to look less severe (missing limbs and burns on head?) The goal would be to make him seem like 'The Bionic Man', "Better,stronger,faster" He could be made taller with his replacement legs. He might seem like a stronger character. It might make his saving Luke more powerful.   Stray thought.

   Great ideas around here. I hope the serious fan-editors are preserving the posted ideas and saving PMs. Wry and incisive comments have helped me to grasp the continuity issues and color-correction. Sometimes, a signature touching upon the issue can sum things up.  :)    

skyjedi2005 said:

Besides Hayden was only 2 years old When Jedi was released for crying out loud he does not belong in a film circa 1983.

They should have hired him to play Anakin back then.  He would have been sooooooooocuuuuuuuuuuuuuute!

:-|

EyeShotFirst said:

mrbenja0618 said:

Eye, did you do this in After Effects.. You kinda said how you did it... Can you be more detailed? Looks great!

My computer can't handle that in After Effects. I did it in photoshop, but the changes were applied to all the frames at the same time. I have dabbled in After Effects and I believe it can be done.

I used photo filter, cyan, and raised it to my liking.

I then went into brightness/contrast, and raised brightness until it didn't feel dark. Then I added contrast to bring back some detail.

Then removed a little saturation, and boosted some colours.

The underlined part is what made it look good, other was just messing around.

When I was doing this I was applying each change to each layer at the same time.

 

If anybody would be willing to do the scene in motion, that would be awesome!!

I did a few tweaks with the colour in Ae and it does totally change the scene......the colours that are buried under that mask of orange , its maybe not adjusted to what you had in mind ESF, but to me its different to look at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRyu4DiZWNw

J