The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 205

Interesting, I had toyed with the idea of writing a spoof along those lines for the Worst Edit Ideas thread but I ended up plumbing for Chewie instead as I thought Mon Mothma was actually a rather plausible Padme hidden in plain sight.

I really like that edit. I assume you went with the Yoda line and then Obi-Wan to setup the idea that Kenobi trains Anakin against the councils wishes, making him seem more reckless.

Good idea.

But the thing I really like is what you did with Darth Maul's death. Cool.

That looks great! So much better than the original!

Wow that looks damn exceptional Eye Shot First.

Now if we can get computers to do script correction as easily we'll be home free. :P

Eye, did you do this in After Effects.. You kinda said how you did it... Can you be more detailed? Looks great!

I bring this up because it's recently got an airing over on the Star Wars Discussion Forum but what if the slave explosive device mentioned in TPM could not be removed but only deactivated.

Some party could have found a means to reactivate it and blow up Anakin (maybe in the Jedi Temple) but he survived long enough to be put into the robot suit and face Obi-Wan only to get further mangled in the process.

That could be a way (admittedly a convoluted way) to keep Anakin and Vader separate enough to further obscure them being the same person come ESB.

It's a flimsy idea at the moment but maybe a fresh set of lobes could flesh it out into something that makes more sense.

Bingowings said:

I bring this up because it's recently got an airing over on the Star Wars Discussion Forum but what if the slave explosive device mentioned in TPM could not be removed but only deactivated.

Some party could have found a means to reactivate it and blow up Anakin (maybe in the Jedi Temple) but he survived long enough to be put into the robot suit and face Obi-Wan only to get further mangled in the process.

That could be a way (admittedly a convoluted way) to keep Anakin and Vader separate enough to further obscure them being the same person come ESB.

It's a flimsy idea at the moment but maybe a fresh set of lobes could flesh it out into something that makes more sense.

I've always hated that explosive device thing so I don't like the idea myself.

Besides, ANY method of seperating Anakin from Vader and implying that he died has to also account for the problematic line in ANH "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil"

EVERYTHING would be solveable if they'd been a trio of heroic Jedi rather than a duo - the third Jedi (young Sebastian Shaw lookalike) also being a student of Obi Wan's and also "a great pilot and a cunning warrior". It can be implied (but not directly seen) that this third Jedi has been "betrayed and murdered" by Hayden (no longer referred to as "Anakin", and who you assume to have become Vader by the end).

Hayden's character as a "bad egg from the start" can be retained somewhat, and the actual "Anakin" would be a great guy, who at no point do you suspect could ever be seduced by the dark side. The revelation in TESB would be incredible at this point, as you'd have taken it for granted that Luke's dad was dead and that little piss-ant Hayden was the betrayer.

Edit: Additionally, Padme would not need to be a main character at all. Or even called Padme (what a dumb name). Anakin is just a family man. We see him kiss his pregnant (possibly Jedi) wife goodbye when going off to fight in the clone wars.

The only significant scene with her, I envision it like this: Her husband (Anakin) presumed dead, she realises that all the Jedi are being hunted down by Darth Vader and that her newly born child (not revealed that they're twins) is no longer safe. She gives the boy to Obi Wan who, at the end of the film, entrusts him with his estranged brother.

Off camera, she has given the baby girl to Bail Organa (who also needs to be a more rough and tumble Han Solo type rather than the dull Senator he's written as in the prequels)

They pulled a similar stunt on Caprica where a certain character (who I shan't name for spoiler reasons) wasn't quite what he seemed.

I did suggest earlier that Obi-Wan had a apprentice which he had to let go in favour of Anakin (by switching the lines directed at Qui-Gon to Obi-Wan and maybe showing a young pupil being led away by the council).

Maybe Anakin is common enough a name for both pupils to share the name?

It could be the Star Wars Galaxy version of Mohammad, James or John.

Bingowings said:

 

I did suggest earlier that Obi-Wan had a apprentice which he had to let go in favour of Anakin (by switching the lines directed at Qui-Gon to Obi-Wan and maybe showing a young pupil being led away by the council).

Well the betrayed and murdered line (at least to me) suggests that Luke's father and Darth Vader personally knew eachother, possibly faught alongside eachother, and that it was a betrayal with real emotional weight to it. I think in my dream refilming of the prequels, Obi Wan would have to have 2 apprentices. One brash and impatient (who I'll refer as Hayden) the other more talented and the more favoured (Anakin) who seems, on the surface, a better person.

Bingowings said:

Maybe Anakin is common enough a name for both pupils to share the name?

It could be the Star Wars Galaxy version of Mohammad, James or John.

Ah yes, but you have to remember that  screenwriter would never name 2 significant characters the same name, however realistic it may be "in universe". We have a challenge in fan editing in not only fixing George Lucas's non sensical story and universe, but also retaining filmic conventions too. :-p

.....anyone else want to take this one? :-p

fishmanlee said:

brash_stryker said:

Off camera, she has given the baby girl to Bail Organa (who also needs to be a more rough and tumble Han Solo type rather than the dull Senator he's written as in the prequels)

 

no, he should not be like han solo at all, that would ruin the OT

?  Yeah... You know, you're right. He shouldn't be awesome like Han. He should just be..... whatever the hell he was before.... =/   Oh yeah, he was Yoda's friggin' taxi service!

Fish.... Sheesh, man.

We don't get a peep out of Bail Organa in the OT so he could have been a bit of a rogue in early life, Lando is a Baron so a Viceroy could be a naughty playboy and remain an aristocrat.

There have been plenty of examples in the real world.

No...Han Solo isn't "like a Jedi". He's the ANTI Jedi! Jedi are disciplined, diplomatic, peacekeeping knights. Han Solo is a badass rogue who doesn't do things by the book. He shoots first and asks questions later (until the SE).

I think you've missed the whole point of Han's character. "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid"

A posh, moneyed aristocratic rough and tumbler would be a very different character from a pirate captain living on his wits rough and tumbler.

Han Solo isn't diminished by Lando or Boba Fett, both of which share traits with him.

The film where all three are in is largely believed to the best representation of all three characters.