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ray_afraid said:

Does the title on Empire not appear at the correct cue? I know it had to be changed for ANH because the title was added years later, but why would it be off for ESB? Very interesting...

doubleofive said:

 

I'm pretty sure all of the movies from that point on match the 1981 incorrect timing. Hooray for continuity, boo for it being the wrong one!

 

hmm.. I just can't see why that would be... Like I said, I understand that ANH was added later and was placed at the wrong timing, but why would the other two which always had the titles at the beginning have them at the wrong times?

Imp Fighter: I think the biggest problem would be the timing/editing of the shot, ie. will the edit come across as a jump cut with Vader just "appearing" on the pedestal (and miss the flow of showing Vader coming down the chamber steps and then onto the pedestal)?

While I understand you're trying to figure out how to make it so it appears Vader just entered the room and went straight for the giant "Emperor pager button", my main concern would be how it comes across visually.

I have to concur with Vaderios too in regards to the area behind Piett and Veers.  The chamber has to be a figure 8 if you take into account the profile shot of Vader talking to the Emperor



- the walls around Vader show Vader to be on the edge of the circular wall, not somewhere within the middle of a much larger room.  This would mean that the meditation chamber would have to be to Vader's left, which can only mean that it is in a seperate room.  This would also mean that the area behind Piett and Veers has to be altered to suggest an opening into the hologram room).

I suspect what they did was some typical cost-saving set manipulation (like how Ridley took the Nostromo bridge set, as well as some of the hallways, and converted it for the entire Narcissus section - the bridge turned into the shuttle and the outer hallways redecorated, ie. the Narcissus airlock was originally the kitchen).  In this case, the above set is probably the same set the meditation chamber was in, but they removed it to create an empty room.  But like with ALIEN, this causes problems when the nerds (like us) try to fit it all together... 

If there is to be any sort of geographical sense of this, the area behind Vader would have to be altered to create an opening to the meditation chamber - the mediation chamber steps wouldn't need to be shown, as the foreground wall beside Vader could conceiveably cover them (though an opening would still have to be created).

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It would have to be along these lines:




either the area behind Vader has to be recreated to show the meditation chamber room (being that the pedestal he kneels on is about ONE FOOT away from the bottom circular step to his med chamber),



as we should be able to see the edge of the step behind Vader's extended leg, or:



Vader has to be pushed back towards the edge of the wall to account for NOT seeing any part of the med chamber steps, much less the room that surrounds it.  You would also have to add some sort of light source (on the airbrushed wall area above and behind Vader) or light "back wash" from the med chamber to help indicate the presence of another room and opening.

That is, if this really needs to be done... personally, I can see it left "as-is", with maybe some lighting backwash from the left area (to account for the med chamber being more brightly lit than the hologram chamber) and the area between the 2 columns behind Vader to indicate something of an opening.

ImperialFighter said:

And while I remember, here's something else I've been meaning to bring up adywan, and I've included a few shots for easier judging -

Do you reckon that the black, circular 'hologram' prop seen in shots 1, 3, and 4 is actually missing from shot 2, or not? 

Should we still be able to see a little bit of it, or not?  Or has shot 2 just been filmed from a deceiving angle?

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2.

Screen 1 shows the circular prop just behind the officer on the right.
Shouldn't that mean that on the second screen, the prop is situated behind that officer as well, just outside of screen?

I don't know you, but I always thought that manouvering a ship that huge out of an asteroid field took some time... time enough for Vader to reach his chamber, make his preparations, until communications gave green to talk to the Emperor, then descended from his chamber and kneeled on the holo-pad.

ChainsawAsh said:

This is because what we refer to as the "1981 crawl" was actually made before the Empire crawl (or at the same time), and the Empire crawl (and every one after that) was made to match it.  The A New Hope crawl just didn't get released until the post-Empire theatrical re-release in 1981.

ooh, ok. Thanks for the info!

Here's my colorized version:

"The meditation chamber was built on Stage 5 at the Elstree Studios adjacent to the Executor hallway and bridge sets" (from starwars.wikia)

It must've taken some time for the Executor to move out of the Astroid Field. If you look at Vader, His cape is on his back and not on his shoulders like it usually is. Which means He did something while his ship was being positioned. It would look out of place if you just cut to him just about to stand on the pedistal.

Sorry I haven't posted on here in a long time. I hope I can contribute more in the future.

I like the idea of the entrance to the meditation room either being guarded or extended (like in vaderios' old mock-up) being brought up again. Makes sense that it would be more secluded, not open so that every no-name Imperial noob could see Vader in his big black egg as they walk by, especially if he has his helmet off.

Omigod!  I just noticed something totally horrible!  In the scene where they discuss the Millennium Falcon's disappearance, Piett's rank insignia moved 0.008mm higher between one shot and the next!  Adyway, you need to get on this major, glaring continuity error right away!  The film will be forever flawed unless you fix it!

MJPollard said:

Omigod!  I just noticed something totally horrible!  In the scene where they discuss the Millennium Falcon's disappearance, Piett's rank insignia moved 0.008mm higher between one shot and the next!  Adyway, you need to get on this major, glaring continuity error right away!  The film will be forever flawed unless you fix it!

Prog5000 said:

Can someone link me the Xmas clip?

It's the "Raising X-Wing" link in the first post.

You're right Matticon! :) He does look the part.

ImperialFighter said:

The Golden Idol said:

Cibernite said:

If you look at Vader, His cape is on his back and not on his shoulders like it usually is.  Which means he did something while his ship was being positioned.  It would look out of place if you just cut to him just about to stand on the pedistal.

This made me notice a continuity error. When Vader kneels down to speak to the Emperor, his cape is on his back with his shoulder pads exposed. However, in the next shot, his cape is over his shoulders. This change occurs in a matter of seconds.

 

Cibernite, nice spot there, which is something I never noticed before. :)

An easy fix i can say since all shots with vader from the side ways are almost static.

As for the location of teh chamber all points you ve made Imp were accuarare(as noted before in previous posts) But still i can assume that vader has some more mysterious location from the average executor halls. Not to mention these halls are not for the average officer. More like a death sentence hall?

As someone posted for the reused set for the chamber and the holotab i see that is correct. Not only the BTS image that ady posted proves that but if you can see in the images that Imp posted...:

...the black areas that were painted in the holo shots are there. So i assume that ady will not bother with that detail because it doenst affects the story but to me is details that fills the aesthetic.

Not to mention the damn dark/light areas that varyies from the shot to shot

I love this approach!

Subtle and doable.

PS: Anyone noticed how asymmetrical are the black think lines (matte section) in the holo room? It screams that is painted and it lacks the style of a more hard surface and less the organic/painted look...

-Angel

Now that you mention it, it does stand out ridiculously. Since it's a fixed shot, with neither Vader nor Palpatine moving too much, I'm sure ady will have an easy way around this, should he deem this a necessary fix.