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dark_jedi said:

Yes, there is several different audio options, static menu's with audio, so yes there is a difference, but whether or not the eye can really see it, who knows.

But there is no way I could use the same bitrate on the video for the release with all the audio, the audio files use up some of the overall bitrate as well.

Will the discs have DVD_ROM folders?

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Sluggo said:

dark_jedi said:

Yes, there is several different audio options, static menu's with audio, so yes there is a difference, but whether or not the eye can really see it, who knows.

But there is no way I could use the same bitrate on the video for the release with all the audio, the audio files use up some of the overall bitrate as well.

Will the discs have DVD_ROM folders?

Don't know, really don't have anything to put in them.

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I know I've said this before, but it's the only support I can offer you...

I'M EXCITED AS TITS FOR THIS!!!!

I haven't seen the original cuts of A New Hope or Return Of The Jedi since 1997. (I was privileged enough to see Rsortors 35mm print of Empire awhile back... "bring my shuttle"... God I've missed that!) When the Special Edition set came out, I put my original box set away for safe keeping. Then several years later, my older sister came and STOLE it from me and now her kids have almost destroyed them... but at least my nephews are OUT fans!!

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I just know that these are saving my kids from having to ever see the SEs.  You can put it on the covers:

GOUT V3: The "For the Children" Edition.

– Bill

Never tell me the odds.

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I know what you guys mean, I have some little cousins who I've been dying to show these to as I refuse to let them near the SE.

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Looking forward to it, d_j!

Sounds good having two versions, a maximum video bitrate is a good thing for those with big screens and high quality de-interlacing/scaling to take advantage of it, and of course I like the 5.1 mixes.  ;)  But plenty of people will want to have the choice of audio options.  Hmm, maybe I'll have to see if I can get both.  lol

So what's the final tally on the audio tracks?  There's theatrical stereo, mono, 70mm 5.1, '85 and '93 mixes for Star Wars; and Empire and Jedi have theatrical and '93 stereo and music-edited 5.1, if I'm not mistaken.  The 5.1 versions are 448 kbps, are the stereo tracks 192, and 96 for the mono?

Maybe we should see about getting copies of these to that prillaman fellow who used to review various Star Wars dvd's, along with an in-depth description of all the work that's gone into them.  I'm sure he'd be interested in seeing what's been going in the fan preservation world, since the combined efforts of everyone who has contributed to these has ended up in a much higher quality project than previous attempts at preserving the original trilogy, even with the limits of the source material available.  Hmm . . .

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Star Wars
Video,
16:9 Anamorphic @ 2.35:1
Audio,
1977 Theatrical Stereo
1977 70mm Dolby Digital 5.1 Six-Track Reconstruction
1977 Theatrical Mono
1985 Home Video Stereo Remix
1993 Home Video Stereo Remix

The Empire Strikes Back
Video,
16:9 Anamorphic @ 2.35:1
Audio,
1980 Theatrical Stereo
Dolby Digital 5.1 Remix
1985 Home Video Stereo Remix
1993 Home Video Stereo Remix
Bonus,
Rare 1980 "Empire Hotline" Recordings Featuring - C-3PO, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader.

The Return Of The Jedi
Video,
16:9 Anamorphic @ 2.35:1
Audio,
1983 Theatrical Stereo
Dolby Digital 5.1 Remix
1993 Home Video Stereo Remix

* All DVD's have a static menu's with audio, and will be DVD9's.

This is what I am shooting for, and as far as audio bitrates, I am not sure, like to keep as high as I can obviously, but I am limited to what the DVD will let me(total max bitrate), so final bitrate I will only know once I get them authored up and see, hope this helps somewhat LOL.

 

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What is believed to be the 35mm Dolby Stereo for The Empire Strikes Back need to be preserved in lossless, dark_jedi. Please!!

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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dark_jedi said:

Star Wars
Video,
16:9 Anamorphic @ 2.35:1
Audio,
1977 Theatrical Stereo
1977 70mm Dolby Digital 5.1 Six-Track Reconstruction
1977 Theatrical Mono
1985 Home Video Stereo Remix
1993 Home Video Stereo Remix

The Empire Strikes Back
Video,
16:9 Anamorphic @ 2.35:1
Audio,
1980 Theatrical Stereo
Dolby Digital 5.1 Remix
1985 Home Video Stereo Remix
1993 Home Video Stereo Remix
Bonus,
Rare 1980 "Empire Hotline" Recordings Featuring - C-3PO, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader.

The Return Of The Jedi
Video,
16:9 Anamorphic @ 2.35:1
Audio,
1983 Theatrical Stereo
Dolby Digital 5.1 Remix
1985 Home Video Stereo Remix
1993 Home Video Stereo Remix

* All DVD's have a static menu's with audio, and will be DVD9's.

This is what I am shooting for, and as far as audio bitrates, I am not sure, like to keep as high as I can obviously, but I am limited to what the DVD will let me(total max bitrate), so final bitrate I will only know once I get them authored up and see, hope this helps somewhat LOL.

 

I've been lurking (and waiting excitedly) in this thread for a while. Huge props for such an undertaking.

Have you considered encoding into x264 to max out both video and audio bitrate? Most people stream video, or have media players these days. 

Max video bitrate and max 5.1 audio bitrate would be a dream come true. As close to a GOUT blu-ray as we'll probably ever come.

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I hate to ask, but is there any chance of seeing some screenshot comparisons between the standard and maximum bitrate versions?

Maximum bitrate is well and good in theory, but as the pointless SuperBit series of DVDs proved, it doesn't always mean much.

Considering this is an upscale to start with, before a lot of artifact clean up, I can't help thinking that it doesn't really need a high rate to look pristine.

In cases like this, it's sometimes fun to do an OPV test to find what quantization value you get at the final target bitrate.  (But I'm frequently crazy, have a weird idea of fun and I'm definitely not suggesting you actually do that.)

Dr. M

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dark_jedi said:

Sluggo said:

Will the discs have DVD_ROM folders?

Don't know, really don't have anything to put in them.

You could always put some high-res covers in there, everyone else does :)

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Radi0n said:

dark_jedi said:

Sluggo said:

Will the discs have DVD_ROM folders?

Don't know, really don't have anything to put in them.

You could always put some high-res covers in there, everyone else does :)

Don't have any covers.

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n00b question but which Star Wars audio mix (if any) has the more common Aunt Beru dub and C-3PO's line about the tractor beam and the close the blast doors line?

edit: that's not a SE mix

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Short answer: None of them.

The only non-SE mix that has "Close the blast doors!" is the 1977 mono mix, which also features Threepio's tractor beam line, but has the alternate Beru dub (the only mix that has this).

The 1977 stereo, 1977 six-track 70mm, and 1993 stereo mixes feature the more common Beru voice, but don't include Threepio's tractor beam line or "Close the blast doors!"

The 1985 remix features Threepio's tractor beam line and the more common Beru voice, but does not feature "Close the blast doors!"

So the only mixes that have all three (more common Beru dub, tractor beam line, and "Close the blast doors!") are the 1997 SE and 2004 SE mixes.

So the best you can do is two out of three.  The tractor beam line is easy, that's present in two mixes (1977 mono and 1985 stereo), but you'll have to chose between the other two.  It depends on what you want more - the more common Beru voice (in which case you want the 1985 remix), or "Close the blast doors!" (in which case you want the 1977 mono mix).

Regardless, you'll get to listen to all of them and decide which you prefer when this set is released!

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see you auntie said:

n00b question but which Star Wars audio mix (if any) has the more common Aunt Beru dub and C-3PO's line about the tractor beam and the close the blast doors line?

What's this about 3P0 talking about the tractor beam? I've always thought I heard him say something about it, but I haven't seen a print with the line in since I was very small. I'd convinced myself that I made it up!

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"The tractor bea mis coupled to the main reactor in several locations. A small power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave."
I've never cared for the line, it seemed kind of jarring for some reason. Like it didn't belong, and his voice sounded different.

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It was definitely recorded at a different time than the rest of his dialogue.  It sounds slightly different.

But yeah, the tractor beam line is present in the 1977 mono mix, 1985 stereo remix, and all SE mixes.  It is not present in the 1977 stereo mix, 1977 70mm six-track mix, or the 1993 remix (which is what's on the GOUT).

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I've never heard a reading of "close the blast doors" that really sounded like I remember it from 1977.  It doesn't have that same stormtrooper "sound" that "open the blast doors" has.  I remember those two lines always got a laugh in the theater because their delivery was so similar.

But memory may be playing tricks on me.

The mono dub of Beru is a revelation.  I'll never be able to listen to any other ever again. 

– Bill

Never tell me the odds.

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Tallguy, it's funny but I seem to remember one too. I know I'm just a young'un who didn't even see the originals in the theater, but I wear you're right about that.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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As I haven't watched the SEs in a very, very long time, I don't know how it sounds in that version.  But in the 1977 mono mix (my preferred mix), they're clearly different voices, i.e. one stormtrooper says "Close the blast doors!," then a different one says "Open the blast doors!  Open the blast doors!"  The second line ("Open") is a somewhat deeper voice than the first line ("Close").

And Tailguy, I agree about Beru's voice.  The mono mix dub sounds more natural - the other one sounds too obviously dubbed to me.

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bkev said:

"The tractor bea mis coupled to the main reactor in several locations. A small power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave."
I've never cared for the line, it seemed kind of jarring for some reason. Like it didn't belong, and his voice sounded different.

Ah, yeah, that line. I was thinking at the beginning when the blockade runner is being pulled into the stardestroyer. Guess I just imagined it. I was probably pretending to be 3P0 while playing Star Wars with friends, said something about it and then decided it was really in the movie haha. I always played the parts of Han Solo and C-3P0 as a kid.... which pretty much sums up who I am today- 75% Han, 25% 3P0.

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Which versions of the lines are in Hairy_Hen's mix? (Sorry if that's been asked before).

Dr. M

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dark_jedi said:

Don't have any covers.

I thought someone had volunteered to make covers for this bad boy?

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Sluggo said:

dark_jedi said:

Don't have any covers.

I thought someone had volunteered to make covers for this bad boy?

I think ABC was going to make some up when I got closer to completion and have all the final specs, ABC are you still willing to work some up?

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Doctor M said:

Which versions of the lines are in Hairy_Hen's mix? (Sorry if that's been asked before).

It's the same as the 1993 mix, minus the sound effects added in '93 (the 1993 mix is a fold-down of the 1977 70mm six-track mix), so, just like the '93 and '77 stereo mixes, it has the more common Beru dub, no "Close the blast doors!", and no tractor beam line.

Basically, the only mixes that are any different than this (in regards to these three specific things, that is) are the 1977 mono (less common Beru dub, yes to "Close the blast doors!", and yes to tractor beam line) and 1985 stereo (more common Beru dub, no "Close the blast doors!", and yes to tractor beam line).