The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 45

vaderios said:

Idea in motion.

Back in some posts i ve said that id like to see vader be on something grander rather just walks like a pet in the corridors of the death star.

taking this shot from Flynn i can imagine replacing some interior to match with the death star ones and have vader meditating and then he leaves.

A nice pov IMO that shows some more bits of the exterior of the death star's dark side and brake the poor close sets with an opened one keeping the armored feeling.

 

-Angel

 That would be awesome. That pic looks like a dark Fortress of Solitude, which I guess for Vader it would be just that. Great idea, would love to see it with Death Star interior!

Excellent idea. It could be used to show a meditative Vader realising his former master is on-board (and erase that "I sense something"; not very Vaderish line)

Thanks Angel....the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0a3NtKOkzg

J

Replacing that line with the shot of Vader that Vaderios mocked up at some point in the movie would make it even more like ESB

That edit works perfectly, and if you want to insert his sensing Ben later from his Fortress of Solitude, it would work so well.

No, not talkin to himself. Just looking the void. Then having the same gesture of looking here and there, and making him leave in hurry.

Cut to other scene

Return to Vader informing to Tarking about Obi's presence

Mithrandir said:

No, not talkin to himself. Just looking the void. Then having the same gesture of looking here and there, and making him leave in hurry.

Cut to other scene

Return to Vader informing to Tarking about Obi's presence

^^

Nice that could definitely work.

It looks like Vader can't stand the burocrats that surround him in his ships. But in the battlefield (Tantive, for instance) that's another thing, he's still a good general. Actually, this does fit with Anakin's characteristics; even with what's shown in Clone Wars.

I agree that we see some movements in ANH that aren't Vaderish at all. But concerning him looking the void, I think that's one of his characteristical attitudes; and he does move his head sometimes, not very pronouncedly, but he does. So the point is how can it be shown (on a Vader looking the void scene) that he's confused, feeling something that makes him feel uneasy (for the first time since twenty years)

Because of the nature of the film its difficult to turn Vader into the ESB version we'd like him to be more in ANH. He simply wasn't written that way back then and the whole saga was basically just vague notes.

However fortunately "difficult" doesn't mean impossible...in fact it makes things interesting. : )

This is why I'm loving the suggestion thus far about giving him a genuine moment of his own to "meditate" and sense Obi-Wan as opposed to that moment just being a matter of fact sort of thing.

Also Jai's vids showing Vader moving slower and my mp3 with the lowering of his voice are all small things that can make a huge difference.

Not much of a "radical" change but just subtle tweeks.....studio lights must have melted these walls:

Image 1 is on Adywan's Revisited, Image 2 is 'shopped

J

Well, I didn't find out how to make him turn around and leave (photoshop, frame by frame animation)... however, I added it a couple of establishing shots and Vader's silouette

http://img195.imageshack.us/i/previewj.gif/

Now that Ady has announced that he's gonna recreate his ANH:R on HD, there's more reason to place ideas and suggestions here....new ideas or things Ady did do but could enhance further.......this shot of Artoo on the Falcon was a reused shot of Artoo in the Death Star in the official releases......but Ady fantastically replaced the background with the Falcon.......but there is still a reflection of the Death Star walls on Artoo's head.

J 

Really tricky to fix that in motion but someone had to paint out all of Threepio's reflections in ROTS (I wouldn't be surprised if the missed some there) so I imagine it could be done.

How about getting Artoo from someplace else.......obvious place ESB on the Falcon fixing 3P0's leg...sure he's a bit dirty but here's a go.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lmJkdJiE4w

J

If the Artoo footage was reversed so he turned from the side to the centre it could work very well even if the lighting differences between the two films is obvious if you know where to look.

Mithrandir said:

So the point is how can it be shown (on a Vader looking the void scene) that he's confused, feeling something that makes him feel uneasy (for the first time since twenty years)

Obi-Wan's "You were the Chosen One!" could echo faintly, like the Tusken Raider cry in ROTS after Anakin releases Palpatine from the chair.

An idea that popped into my head watching Star Wars Begins, what if the Alderaan debris cloud is more cloud like (the planet has mostly been blown to dust with only a few small rocks).

The cloud could mostly obscure the small moon that the TIE retreats to and clear when it's more obviously not a small moon (nearer).

It might make for an interesting alternate take of the scene and give it a very different look than the Asteroid scene in the next film (especially if the cloud had a distinctive colour to it).

The local sun is presumably still there so it could provide an spooky glow to what was left of the planet.

It's being discussed (once again) the technology desincronization that's between OT and PT in ANH:R thread, specifically, the displays issue.

So I've made a mock up of what could be done to that scene; however I'll post it here so as to leave it more as a general idea than to a punctual suggestion to Adywan (who I think wouldn't ever do something like this in an edit of his).

I think that one of the main issues with OT and particularly with ANH is the dullness of some of the materials the sets are done with. DS walls never look metallic, there're a lot of shadows which shouldn't be there if the illumination had been better, etc. So, since there's no process to make (with acceptable results) something reflective out of a dull surface, why not to replace it with "technological stuff" and kill to birds with one shot? Sorry for the poor quality of the mock ups, my main goal is to share the idea, I'm sure you will get what I'm talkin about.

http://img819.imageshack.us/i/saladecontrol.jpg/

Here's another mock up I've made, this one more as a practise based in a Vaderios previous illustration; and finally, another one from Angel, which IMO was rather unnoticed, though I find it very very good for it gives the scene a new vitality.

http://img545.imageshack.us/i/detailsho1t.jpg/

http://img691.imageshack.us/i/bluedominates.jpg/

(In fact you can see how those guys dressed in blue (after the alteration) make us remember the clone factory in kamino.)

This is just a random radical idea about ANH but after seeing Adywan's great work in his Revisited Emperor scene, it seems possible. Perhaps we could make a scene where the emperor appears via hologram to Vader, thus strengthening the master/apprentice bond. Maybe in the scene where the officer informs Tarkin and Vader that Dantooine is deserted, a hologram message from the emperor could pop up from that little round, black center piece of the table that doesn't really seem to do anything. Maybe new dialogue could establish Tarkin's importance so he has some excuse to boss Vader around.