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SW Episode III - Reign of the Dark Side (* unfinished project *) — Page 41

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"I've had it with these monkey fighting snakes on this monday to friday plane!!!"

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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Hey, Bob! It's been almost 20 days since the last time you posted here. I was just wondering  - what's up?

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Lets see:

If you could have a choice of making ROTS as OT as possible visually, what would be the aspects that you could change,remove,replace,disenhance,CC...etc?
Lets take the example of the SE of ESB and the extended bespin/twin cloud car with the fancy fly scenes. Pre SE it was only a static matte that had a slight zoom to leia's window.
Considering that, how you think will be the more suitable approach to many many fancy shots of ROTS can be toned down while keeping the same running time? Trimming and cutting out shots is not the best option everytime, otherwise you could have a 30min movie at the end.
Ideas for shot replacement is welcome in shots you think its unberable fake and CGI or you think an other movie has better CG that can sell the concept better than ROTS.

The only restriction to all the above is: Think if your suggested idea is doable!

If you got ideas/ suggestions/ mockups on specific shots please share.

-Angel

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txEi7teVKLE&feature=related

Take this video as an example. I think that what makes it less OTish is the camera movement following the main compositing figure (the chopper, in this case). I think that in order tu OTrize this a bit, the main chopper shot, with the moving camera (till 0:13) could rest.  The stuff that goes from 0:13 to 0:18 should go off.

The next shot camera (which lasts till second 24) should stay quiet, which would imply literally a mess (if it'd be possible at all). 

Another chopper shot (0:25 - 0:33): pointless. erased

And so on. Another thing I find as a constant in EpIII is wide shots taken from the ground. To be graphical: Mace lighting on his sabre when arresting Palpatine.

I had to put this as a written post since I'm not very wise with mock ups.

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So much emphasis in the prequels was complexity and an exaggerated imagination instead of a character driven storyline.  To me what made SW so visually fascinating was the simplicity of it all, basically the complete opposite of what the prequels brought.  It would be amazing to have a version that dumbed down the complexity and needless fanciness.  

X-wings, tie fighters, the Falcon... very simple... what the hell is that bug helicopter crap?

Galatians 2: 20: I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

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True.

But still i dont get shot by shot solutions.

 

Thats the real trick isnt it ;)

For example to make more clear to you. The helicopter bug shot could be removed and have a static shot of kashyyk with some distant traffic.

Or instead of flybys cut directly to close ups of the actors...

 

-Angel

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I don't have a problem with design (it establishes that the Republic are incorporating local forces with alien design ideas into their defense of the planet thus serving the story in a way).

The problem is the inconsistent characters, the gibberish masquerading as dialogue and the so called plot which is frequently warped and distorted to mount visual set pieces and so often makes very little sense.

Would you mind a thopter like that in a story that made sense and had characters you could identify?

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Bingowings said:

I don't have a problem with design (it establishes that the Republic are incorporating local forces with alien design ideas into their defense of the planet thus serving the story in a way).

The problem is the inconsistent characters, the gibberish masquerading as dialogue and the so called plot which is frequently warped and distorted to mount visual set pieces and so often makes very little sense.

Would you mind a thopter like that in a story that made sense and had characters you could identify?

 I agree with Bingowings on this one. As much as the new films are designed to show off ILM skills instead of a good story and characters, Ive always enjoyed lookin at the difference between planets and the diversity of the designs and cultures etc. The visual design should be there as a interesting place for good plot and characters to reside in, not a gallery for 3d artists.

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Bob would it be possible to replace that fancy shot of Anakin landing what rests of the invisible hand, by some long shot of a star destroyer (in other part of the film)... something kinda this

http://img210.imageshack.us/i/asddp.jpg/

I mean, a SD long shot isn't really important... but personally I think it'd be the most acceptable prelude to a shot that should be somewhere in the prequels if we really are to belive that Anakin actually becomes the Vader we met in the OT...

http://img222.imageshack.us/i/anakin12.jpg/

 

Sorry for the roughness of the mock ups

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Hmm, I'm sure it would be possible Mith. But I have to agree with Fish's comment. 

 I do see your point of what a shot like that would represent. But having something like that pop up without any explanation as to how Anakin is all of a sudden on a Death Star would just raise more questions. Unless I'm not understanding exactly what your going for.

 

 My Episode 3 Edit Reign of the Dark Side

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It's an idea I just threw, since I found the picture of Anakin watching the space visually powerful, and OTish. Think it would give us some certainty that infact, Vader has much of the "old" Anakin inside him; by seing some continuity in his gestures through the Saga. What's more, in my message I say this shot should be somewhere in the PT, and not only talkin of EPIII. However, EPIII is the best choice since we got the most grown and mature soldier. Not Anakin the boy, nor the apprentice, but the brillant commander.

It's true that there's no room in the plot for something like this... perhaps you could have Vader go to Mustafar by star destroyer... though it would still be Vader(non suited) and not Anakin.

There's no argumental justification for this shot, but the visual signification it has. The idea came to my mind and had to share it with you.

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I've been able to do some work, but nothing that's going to be posted just yet, sorry. Works been insane still about to head back off to the second job. Looks like another 18 hour work day for me.

 My Episode 3 Edit Reign of the Dark Side

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I understand, Bob... My wife just had our first child a little over a week ago, and I'm surprised I found time to write this.

 

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mrbenja0618 said:

I understand, Bob... My wife just had our first child a little over a week ago, and I'm surprised I found time to write this.

 

Congrats!!!

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mrbenja0618 said:

I understand, Bob... My wife just had our first child a little over a week ago, and I'm surprised I found time to write this.

 

Dude! That's awesome! Congratulations! I wish you good luck and be a great dad! ;D

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Thanks guys. It's been a game changer for sure.... But a good one.

Sorry that I inadvertently hijacked the thread.

To get it back on topic... Bob, what scene have you most been working on as of late?

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Was this just out of the blue or had she been pregnant for some time?

Only joking, well done benja units!

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Slow and steady wins the race I guess. I'm still moving along with the edit. Works been insane but I'm getting my time in when I can. Most of the things being done are part of the top secret sections of the movie. Hence no updates as of late. It's getting there tho. 8)

On a coolness note, I just got a Youtube friend invite from Samuel Witwer. The guy who plays Starkiller in TFU video games. Turns out he grew up only 2 miles away from me, in a Chicago suburb. Small Galaxy I guess.

So that would be my second closest brush to Star Wars royalty. The first being meeting George Lucas at his High School reunion party he was hosting at the Cubby Bear, downtown Chicago. I was DJ'ing in between bands downstairs. He was having a private party upstairs. So my plan was to sneak into there private room sometime during the night to try and meet him. But it turned out that during one of my breaks I bumped into Lucas in the mens room. Talk about a weird place to start a conversation with the man who made Star Wars. He was really cool tho.

 My Episode 3 Edit Reign of the Dark Side

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bobgarcia74 said:

But it turned out that during one of my breaks I bumped into Lucas in the mens room. Talk about a weird place to start a conversation with the man who made Star Wars. He was really cool tho.

That's extraordinarily epic.  What did you do?