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DF Shadow said:

The problem to me is like the forground figures are sort of lost in space hovering above everything.

In this example I tried to ground them in a dark control room and out the window we would see all of the action of the transports and the people hurrying around.

Obviously an alt. would be a brighter control room or something like that but at least from this you guys can see what I mean. If there were originally an establishing shot of the guys up on a raised platform this shot wouldn't seem so weird.

 

I agree too, Sluggo.
This would be an awesome alternative.

Maybe the big lights aren't lights, but openings to outside. They could be large in that case.

I'm not sure if this has been discussed or not, but the perspective and scale aren't the only issues in this shot, the lighting is also done TERRIBLY. It doesn't make any sense comparing the lighting on the three guys compared to the lighting of the background. Can we just cut this shot?

adywan said:

Including Ralph McQuarrie, and i don't want to lose his cameo

vaderios said:

The lighting has hard shadows on the  actors but smooth in the BG.

Asteroid-Man said:

The lighting is also done TERRIBLY. It doesn't make any sense comparing the lighting on the three guys compared to the lighting of the background.

Asteroid-Man said:

Can we just cut this shot?

Adywan said:

Making the foreground smaller is impossible because there are some that walk off screen, including Ralph McQuarrie, and i don't want to lose his cameo

-Angel

Asteroid-Man said:

It doesn't make any sense comparing the lighting on the three guys compared to the lighting of the background.

DF Shadow’s control room approach addresses that problem, doesn’t it?

cap said:

Asteroid-Man said:

It doesn't make any sense comparing the lighting on the three guys compared to the lighting of the background.

DF Shadow’s control room approach addresses that problem, doesn’t it?

True but as 005 established ady will make a more lighted accurate setpiece :)

-Angel

cap said:

Asteroid-Man said:

It doesn't make any sense comparing the lighting on the three guys compared to the lighting of the background.

DF Shadow’s control room approach addresses that problem, doesn’t it?

Unfortunately it doesn't SOLVE the problem, but it does improve it. Personally I will not be using it for my second edit, but ady has made his decision and it's valid based on the cameo.

Well you can have Ming walking across the shot and then ady will add macquarrie's face digitally :)

Here is your cameo ;)

Use no limit as limitation ;)

-Angel

Just flash a random frame of McQuarrie at some point in the film. Haha

A B C said:

I just found this on my computer...

... Too high or the BG ones are too low (rather too small). Pick one. Perspective will save you.

 

I know that, you silly, my added characters are scaled acording to the 120 m postulate, I was looking for a quick'n'easy fix, but it's true the perspective is still wrong (I love the pop up Yoda though ; )
To do it right you would have to :
-separate the 3 ships from the hangar
-separate the cases, boxes and cables
-divide the hangar in two layers
-reconstruct all the missing areas resulting from the separation on the hangar, the ships, etc…
I don't have the time to do that. That's why I'm offering the file to those who want to do that.

I think the problem is that the original matte was constructed with the wrong scale in mind (the ships there are approximately 26 m (85 Ft)), so the perspective reflect that. With the ships being 26 m, the camera would stand about 1,7 m of the ground (which correspond to the pov of the foreground trio), if they are in fact 120 m, then the camera would now stand about 8 m of the ground! And that's not the only problem:

-the ships in the matte are standing about 2 times higher compare to the model in the snow (which would make about 6 meters from the ground for a 120 m ship):


-the front landing gear of the ships on the right, is quite different from the model in the snow (and quite ugly I might add)
-the other far ship on the right side has the proper model landing gear but doesn't touch the ground
-Also keep in mind that Ady specified he can't scale down the foreground actors.

vaderios said:

cap said:

They’re standing on a platform?

No.. It has to be established visually.

 

-Angel

DF Shadow said:

I thought about that too, it would be interesting to see how it suits the shot, but personally I wouldn't change the nature of the shot too much…

Darth Lars said:

Like this mockup, I do!

I think that the people in the background must look very hurried and stressed. The activity must be frantic!

That's what I wanted to do, that and some soldiers running in formation too, things of the sort, but I didn't have images of rebels acting like that so managed with what I had on hand… : /

About the size of the file being 300Mb, not only I didn't wanted to alter the quality of the matte scan but I also wanted you guys to be able to start from fresh. so there's a significant number layers for: the original untouched matte scan, perspective constructions, blueprints of the rebel transport with a character portraying the 120 m scale, the fixes I've made, etc… Also I'm not particularly used to photoshop, so it's very possible the file is unnecessary big, but bear with me ; )

Those who want the psd file of the montage below, just pm me.

Nice concept. Much more balanced.

Why not fliping the matte from the other side tho :) (keeping the isignias of the troopers)

-Angel

I agree with Angel, plus it keeps it from looking "centered" which made the original matte uncreative. if not the matte's fault, how the matte was used.

This concept art gives it a sense of scale missing from the original.

I wonder if there was ever a decent model of the rebel transport on the market, because the matte really jumps out as fake over all other mattes. I looked, but haven't been successful.

In the end, wonderful find Tobar.

Here's a pic of that scene from the making of ESB book along with the description:

A painted photo comp by McQuarrie shows the first attempt at a rebel hangar scene as planned and shot in England - but when Lucas found the shot unsatisfactory he decided to redo it.

adywan said:

Here's a pic of that scene from the making of ESB book along with the description:

 

God , i'm loving reading through the making of empire book. Something interesting i found which will put the debate about the passage of time in the bespin scenes finally to rest:

"Typical of George was his clever concept of showing the passage of time in Cloud City," says Ellenshaw, "by going from sunrise to daylight to sunset for the falcons departure."

So there we have it . Why the hell they recoloured everything in 2004 to make it look more like sunset when the falcon arrives just shows to me that the recolouring was never a deliberate creative decision because that screws up the original intent of the scene.