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Ancorhead, I'd hate to give you an aneurysm but:

*whispers*

I respectfully disagree, or at least want to offer up a point.  There was always family history between Luke and Vader.  in 1977, Vader was friends with and then killed Luke's dad.  In 1980, it was changed that he was Luke's dad.  It's not like they went from having no relationship to being father and son.  There was always a connection between the hero and the villain, which is very typical of these hero myths in the first place.

Anchorhead said:

LexX said:

What is it in Empire that shrinks the universe? I know you don't like Vader being Luke's father but besides that. I agree with you on ROTJ, though.

Vader being switched to Luke's father was a major story shrink.  I suppose Lucas thought it was a huge enhancement\plot twist to make that change, but to me it was just an easy out when he didn't have any more story to tell. He already had two stories by the two people he had asked to write sequels, yet he chose to discard them.

He could have made a series of films where the main characters are presented with new challenges and adventures, e.g. James Bond, Indiana Jones, Star Trek.  Instead, he chose to continue by trying to tell the same story over and over again. 

The Lando just happening to be nearby angle - oh and also coincidentally being  the previous owner of the Falcon - is textbook Lucas back-story shrinking. When he gets stuck without any story, he turns to shrinkage as an out.  Everything and everybody are somehow related.  No strangers, no vastness of space, no luck, no chance, no skill  - just convenience and smallness.  It's weak.

 and Indy's father just so happens to be captured by the nazi's, indy just happens to crash in "India".

besides Lando was a new character, its not like they established Lando in ANH and changed his character in ESB, besides its not here that the shrinkage hurts, its from ROTJ on

I can agree that ESB did take out some of the vastness of the SW universe. It doesn't lessen my opinion of the film.

What makes Temple work is the fact that it is different. It doesn't play it safe and thus is a perfect modern serial. Crusade is a rehashed Raiders that simply does not work. It is tired and uninspired except for Sean who is having a ball.

Anchorhead said:

fishmanlee said:

and Indy's father just so happens to be captured by the nazi's,

Weak and safe.

 

indy just happens to crash in "India".

To me, that's where Temple is a better idea than Crusade.  It's a completely separate story from Raiders.  One that Indy just gets thrown into by accident.  No falling back on familiar and established- Nazi's, Marcus, Sallah.  No shrinking - scar, fear of snakes, jacket, hat, whip. 

 

besides Lando was a new character, its not like they established Lando in ANH and changed his character in ESB, besides its not here that the shrinkage hurts, its from ROTJ on

Correct.  My real problem isn't the convenience of his placement - it's that he's the previous owner of the Falcon. Lucas can't write depth, so he falls back on familiar - to the detriment of all, prior & future.

 

For the record;  I like all the Indiana Jones films a lot, but a little bit of Lucas' inability to write does make it way into all the sequels.  Fortunately, Lucas is only one third of the decision making team.

 and Obi-Wan just happens to know Luke, Leia, The Rebels (Bail and Co.) and Luke's Father?

im just saying that "shrinkage" happens all the time, even within single movies

But it's not a coincidence that Ben knows those people... Leia comes to him BECAUSE he knew all of those people.  And Ben hangs around Luke BECAUSE he knew those people.  There's a difference between corellation and coincidence.

I work for the same company as my wife's brother-in-law.  I had this conversation about it with this guy from work, whom we'll just call 'guy'.:

GUY: How are you related to Eric again?
ME : Oh, he's sort of my brother-in-law.  I mean, we're both inlaws.  I guess I mean: the women we married are sisters.
GUY: Wow!  Really?  That's some kind of fantastic coincidence!
ME : ... I don't follow.  What's a coincidence?
GUY: You both work for this same company, and you're brothers-in-law, and the women you married are also sisters!  That's kind of neat!
ME : Not really, Brent.  We're brothers-in-law because we married sisters.
GUY: Oh yeah... I thought you meant you were brothers-in-law before you got married.
ME : How would we be brothers-in-law before either of us were married?
GUY: ...  Did you see the game last night?
ME : No.

Well, you have to have some friends in the galaxy, right? Yeah, maybe it's too much that Lando happens to own a city and used to own Falcon but it doesn't take anything out from the movie, from me at least. The whole Cloud City plot wouldn't work if you take Lando out of it.

If he went to Cloud City and it happened to have Lando in it... that would be one thing.  But he didn't.  He went to Cloud City because it had Lando in it.  The Falcon bit is a little convenient, but it doesn't hurt my feelings at all.

Luke & Leia... that is pretty offensively convenient even though it's always been a part of the story I've accepted.

Vader & C-3PO... now we're cooking with gas!

Vader & Greedo:  Why??????

Chewie and Yoda:  Oh, give it a rest already!

Darth Plagues teaching Darth Sidious how to create life with the Dark Side of the Force which is hinted that Sidious used to create Anakin since his mother thought it was a virgin birth, and then the whatsamacallit on the Queen of Naboo's ship crashes which brings the party to Mos Espa where a rogue jedi knight decides to cheat Watto out of his slave and bring him to Coruscant where he meets Sidious?  Yeah, that works pretty well.  Palpatine had it planned the whole time....

I like what this thread has become.

I like that Temple of Doom is getting some love from the posters here.

That is all.