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Not to poke my luck, but 2015 for the Original Trilogy? Will I even be alive by then?...

I'm rather surprised how much I don't care. Maybe I'll go see the originals in 3D, if they're at least the '97SE editions and not the horribly tinted DVDs (with bonus Hayden and Jar Jar awfulness). To be honest, some of the classical action scenes could look great in 3D. Battle of Endor...? Huge potential.

Also, I'm expecting backlash at the prequels' effects. They were all the rave in the late 90's - early 2000s, but in a few years, in a theater, I sure people (the masses, that is) will see how horribly CGI ages and how poorly they stack next to the effect of the OT. Actually, this is the only CGI heavy film (or trilogy) that will be re-released in theaters a decade after its original run, won't it?

At least I'm curious how it'll turn out.

 

Though Lucas can decide to make even more edits on the OT and mess it even more...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Burdokva said:


I'm rather surprised how much I don't care.
This is surprising me too. Sure, I'm angry and upset, but I'm more surprised at how this isn't even tempting to me. Maybe that its the simultaneously the most obvious money grab / waste of money I've ever seen a company do while refusing to support its original fans.

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Jar Jar Binks in 3-D. Oh joy, look Luca$ the hack strikes again.

Look just like the 2011 blu ray release with no originals another thing to boycott.

Crossing my fingers  hoping Indiana Jones V and the live action star wars TV series never get made.

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Hmm. Earlier this year, Michael Bay said he was against Transformers 3 getting a 3D treatment, and doing a conversion properly would cost 30 million bucks. So, with advertising, Phantom Menace has to make like, 70+million just to break even? Or is it possible Lucas has some kind of sweetheart deal with the 3D companies involved?

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Lucas gets a break in cost, because its done in-house by ILM. So, what would cost Michael Bay $30 million, probably only costs him $25 million. And the price will continue to fall as the years go on. But Lucas will spending much more time than Michael Bay would to convert them because he wants them done right, so the price will probably be back up to $30 million. But trust me, TPM will make a good amount of money. I would predict $70-110 million, but it could be more depending on how well they hype it. Also, its hard to factor in advertising costs--those are paid for, at least in part if not in full, by Twentieth Century Fox. So for Lucasfilm, its a pretty decent gravy train. It also might not be just about money--Lucas will be in his mid-70s by the time the OT is being released, and this might sort of be his last hurrah to enshrine his legacy and create a fun experience with the films that people will remember.

Also, this is a package deal. TPM will do decent business, because it is the first film and people will want to see Star Wars in 3D. AOTC will slump massively, though ROTS will pick up the pace probably close to TPM levels. But then ANH and ESB will skyrocket. ROTJ won't do as well, but likely better than the prequels. So it all evens out--if one film does a bit lesser like AOTC, it is more than made up for by ANH. What is important is the profits at the end of the day, when all six films are over and done with. In any package deal there are weak links that depend on the strong entries to balance out the profit.

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Is there ANY way we can convince George to scrap this, and use the money he was going to sink into it to restore the original trilogy?  That would be a MUCH better use of his cash than this.

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I can't wait to see the first ad on TV promoting the The Phantom Menace in 3-D:

"In theaters this summer the ultimate Star Wars experience in 3-D, Episode I:  The Phantom Menace!   All of the characters are there:  Padme the monotone queen, a young Ben Kenobi who gets little screentime, QuiGonJin who is happy now he was killed so he didn't have to talk in front a green screen for Episode II, a naked C-3PO with his parts showing, the hilareous Jar Jar Binks who will have you running for the exit, and of course Darth Vader as a little boy who is so annoying you cant wait to see him as a teenager in Episode II!  Come back and remember where you were in 1999, this time it will be in 3-D!"

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And then in 2015:

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CO said:

I can't wait to see the first ad on TV promoting the The Phantom Menace in 3-D:

"In theaters this summer the ultimate Star Wars experience in 3-D, Episode I:  The Phantom Menace!   All of the characters are there:  Padme the monotone queen, a young Ben Kenobi who gets little screentime, QuiGonJin who is happy now he was killed so he didn't have to talk in front a green screen for Episode II, a naked C-3PO with his parts showing, the hilareous Jar Jar Binks who will have you running for the exit, and of course Darth Vader as a little boy who is so annoying you cant wait to see him as a teenager in Episode II!  Come back and remember where you were in 1999, this time it will be in 3-D!"

There's a YESTERDAY WAS A LIE! joke in here somewhere but I'm feeling too lazy to write it.

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I would predict $70-110 million

Is there any service which deals in actual tickets sold?

It will be weird hearing about the kids who grew up with the current Clone Wars cartoon, and now see the 'Live Action Version' and might consider it tame, slow and lacking in the depth they were used to.

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TV's Frink said:

CO said:

I can't wait to see the first ad on TV promoting the The Phantom Menace in 3-D:

"In theaters this summer the ultimate Star Wars experience in 3-D, Episode I:  The Phantom Menace!   All of the characters are there:  Padme the monotone queen, a young Ben Kenobi who gets little screentime, QuiGonJin who is happy now he was killed so he didn't have to talk in front a green screen for Episode II, a naked C-3PO with his parts showing, the hilareous Jar Jar Binks who will have you running for the exit, and of course Darth Vader as a little boy who is so annoying you cant wait to see him as a teenager in Episode II!  Come back and remember where you were in 1999, this time it will be in 3-D!"

There's a YESTERDAY WAS A LIE! joke in here somewhere but I'm feeling too lazy to write it.

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I would predict $70-110 million

Is there any service which deals in actual tickets sold?

It will be weird hearing about the kids who grew up with the current Clone Wars cartoon, and now see the 'Live Action Version' and might consider it tame, slow and lacking in the depth they were used to.

I'd like to see this as well.  Numbers of sales dealing with inflation, etc. are fine and all, but I don't think they tell the whole story.

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zombie84 said:

I always get a kick out of hearing complaints about 3D. It reminds me of the newspaper articles from when sound and then colour was invented. Literally, its almost verbatim the same sort of phrasing. Of course, a lot of early sound films had terrible, tinny audio, and some early colour films had poor, gimmicky colour effects. Done right, and done enough times, and you don't think about it as a gimmick because you aren't paying attention to it anymore. As far as 3D goes, most films try to draw attention to the effect, because that is why you are paying the premium price to see it. A lot of early sound and colour films had similar marketing philosophy. Then after a while, everyone was doing it, audiences got used to it, and then peope stopped trying to outdo each other in gimmicks and audiences simultaneously stopped paying conscious attention to it.

Ironically, the situation is now reversed--because people are used to colour and sound, if you do part of movie silent or in black and white, it is seen as being self-consciously stylistic, or maybe even gimmicky or pretentious. I have this sneaking suspicion that this will apply to 2D films ("flat pictures"?) at some point in the distant but not too distant future.

I disagree some what Zombie. I think the depth of field employed in 3D films can be pretty amazing when done. Up and How to Train Your Dragon was pretty fantastic.

Yes, it's not a gimmick. The filmmakers that take it seriously don't spend 90 minutes throwing crap at your face. But now that studios have seen the kind of dollars Avatar made they're watering down what the '3D revolution' should have been and are now just hastily and lazily using it across the board. That is, using it in a gimmicky fashion so they can charge more.

Some complain about the glasses. I wear glasses when I'm watching movies anyway (I'm short sighted) so I don't find them uncomfortable or distracting. The image is noticeably darker but a lot of cinemas have shitty set ups and the necessary recent upgrades and conversion to digital has probably done a lot of good.

What I do find distracting is being charged noticeably more for a movie. The last movie I saw in 3D was Toy Story 3. I walked out going that was a great movie but I should have seen it in 2D. The characters, story and animation were what made it amazing, not stuff thrown at you or depth of field. It was ridiculous what I was charged to see that movie. And I feel that's where the push is coming from to make 3D more mainstream or the norm. There's not much artistry in that.

I refer to my earlier comment about upcoming movies like True Grit and Black Swan. I'll see them at the local art house theatre (my theatre of choice) for $12 AUD. Compare that to $21.50 AUD for Toy Story 3 - fuck that.

I sound like an old man movie tickets are so expensive these days grrrrrr. It's not that. Some where in the back of my mind I just feel like I'm getting scammed. I gave it a shot. I tested the waters and I was willing to pay for the experience but I'm over that now.

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SFW said:

He [John Knoll] also said they would ensure that the 3D conversion delivers results as good as a movie shot and authored in 3D

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The Emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.

Bravo!

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Lucas gets a break in cost, because its done in-house by ILM....

I read that Lucasfilm were farming out the conversion work to another company.

 

 

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Digital technology will always introduce something new. They just want to kill our physical media. Celluloid film, vinyl records, and now even CDs.

If only Lucas had taken Henry Sr.'s advice: "Let it go."

What if there was some contractual loophole that gave Fox control of the original cut of Star Wars and someone like Criterion restored an IB print...what would then happen?

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There's money to do this thing, but no money for a proper OT restoration? I smell Bantha poodoo!

As to legal loopholes, does George's ex-wife own any piece of Star Wars?

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I just can't compare the coming of 3-D to the colorization of movies, or talkies. It doesn't seem like the same sort of change.

PS. I liked the "Malibu Stacy" dig ^^ earlier :)

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Judge said:

Just had a thought.

Will Lucas take this opportunity to finally unveil the new CGI Yoda, or will he do that with the blu-rays?

 Who gives a shit?  It's TPM.

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ChainsawAsh said:

I'm betting CG Yoda will debut on the Blu-Ray.

CGI Yoda is actually a change I am all for, I just hope they at least update the model, it was already dated when AOTC came out.

I just hope he isn't in the OT, they should try to make CGI Yoda mirror the OT Yoda in some respects.

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I don't think they'd CG Yoda in the OT.  There'd be too much of an uproar for them to do that.

Then again ...

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IIRC, Lucas stated on the ESB commentary track he wouldn't mess with the OT Yoda. He did try to get Frank Oz a supporting actor nomination after all!

If he ever did have second thoughts about it, I doubt he wants to look up from his desk late one night, and see Oz standing in the shadows with Miss Piggy on his arm. He's lucky the ghost of Sebastian Shaw hasn't come to haunt him yet! ;)

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Back in 1977, Dolby Stereo was considered a "gimmick" (one of the reasons that so much effort was put into the mono mix).  If you listen to the theatrical Dolby mix now - the star destroyer overhead, the blaster bolt bouncing around the trash compactor - you can hear that Burtt was having fun playing with his brand new (expensive) toy.

Star Wars wasn't the first Dolby Stereo film, but it was the one that showed what the technology could really do. This original experience is an important event in movie history, and should be preserved as such - it should not be brought up to date with CG additions and retro-added 3D effects.

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I suffered an accident as a child which has robbed me of central vision in my one eye.  So 3D doesn't seem right when I see it.  But even if it did, I would not pay to see The Prequels again under any circumstances.  I will get the big BD Set just because of my archivist nature, but that is as far as I will go.  Lucas won't last another 20yrs, but I will.  And when he dies I can guarantee you, we will get our Original Untouched Trilogy on the then current media in all it's glory.  And that will be a glorious day.

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ChainsawAsh said:

I don't think they'd CG Yoda in the OT.  There'd be too much of an uproar for them to do that.

I think that's exactly why he would do it.  He really does have a mental flaw where he does almost the exact opposite of whatever his staff, film critics, writers, and fan base want.  He's like a bratty kid who can't get along with others, so he just throws a tantrum until he wears everyone down or he just simply refuses to play. 

Look at the myriad of changing stories & excuses - lost, ruined, Grand Vision, money, technology, no demand, etc, etc - that he's given for not properly releasing the 1977 version of Star Wars. It doesn't matter how many people continually ask for it, or expose and prove him a liar.  He just doesn't want to, so he digs his heels in even more.

All kidding aside, he's not right mentally.

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