Star Wars OT & 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released) — Page 30

dark_jedi said:

Are there any Windows 7 64 bit users here that really know this system in and out? I have run into a problem that needs fixing before I can go on, I rendered the lossless avi for the V2 Jedi SE during the day today and tonight I go to see if it is done and it is, well now my PC is in compatibility mode(have no idea how it even got in that mode, VDub does not need it) and it will NOT get back out, so now VDub won't even load any scripts, my screen is just green, and Vegas needs to be back in 64 bit mode to work, and that is what I do all my audio work in, so PLEASE if anyone has any ideas, let them roll.

Before anyone asks, don't worry ALL files are backed up, they are going no where.

I am hoping this is something I can fix, because if I have to format and put everything back on again, that will be a bitch!

Not sure if this will help or not.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4161/disable-program-compatibility-assistant-in-windows-7-and-vista/

Chewtobacca said:

Dark_jedi, are you going to alter the resizing values in G-Force's scripts to prevent horizontal resizing?  With the greatest of respect to G-Force, the values in the scripts are simply wrong, as they needlessly stretch perfectly good picture, shifting it into the overscan area.  It would be much better not to resize horizontally.

CompMovieGuy said:

With all do respect Chewtobacca, this is 2010
You should as well as most people on this board should have a TV/monitor that will accept/do 1:1 pixel mapping

(since they are demanding the best possible GOUT transfer, 4k scans, and digital prints sent to their doorstep.....why the hell would they ask for such if they have a shitty TV that doesnt even do 1:1 pixel mapping?)

Forgetting for a second the 1:1 pixel mapping issue, isn't stretching a already compromised fuzzy low resolution image not a good idea? Why make the GOUT worse? I must be missing something here.

CompMovieGuy said:

With all do respect Chewtobacca, this is 2010
You should as well as most people on this board should have a TV/monitor that will accept/do 1:1 pixel mapping

1:1 pixel mapping is only relevant when playing 1080p content on a display with a native resolution of 1920x1080.

DVD resolution of 720x480, when upscaled correctly, ends up being ~1964x1080. A band of twenty or so pixels on either side of the upscaled image should therefore not be visible on a 1920x1080 display.

I am aware that many devices upscale incorrectly (720 -> 1920); in these cases it's better to turn 1:1 pixel mapping off and have some overscan.

CompMovieGuy said:

With all do respect Chewtobacca, this is 2010
You should as well as most people on this board should have a TV/monitor that will accept/do 1:1 pixel mapping

(since they are demanding the best possible GOUT transfer, 4k scans, and digital prints sent to their doorstep.....why the hell would they ask for such if they have a shitty TV that doesnt even do 1:1 pixel mapping?)

CompMovieGuy said:

ray_afraid said:

Yeah Chewtobacca. It's 2010. Poor people don't exist anymore. Shesh. Get with it already.

I was ready for this dumb response and here is the correct reply

IF you dont have the appropriate display device to view these encodes/transfers, then what does it matter to you? You are the same person who cries that the OT isnt on Bluray but yet dont even have a Bluray player or HDTV.....

Edit: Next time, please understand my posts before you respond with a obvious dumb answer. If you have an older TV, then the GOUT is perfectly suited for such

Well if you can't beat 'um, join 'um...right TV's Frink?

@Moth3r
Some devices may upscale incorrectly, but not all of them. The most noticeable is when you try to feed 480 to the TV is when you may get some overscan because of the DVDs PAR and how the player handles it. But if you have a decent 1080P upconvert, and a decent TV with options, then you should be able to get 1:1 without any overscan, especially the amount described by some in here

@Chewtobacca

They should be viewed in Wide/16:9 mode even on a set with a 1:1 mode, or a small error in aspect ratio will result.

I think you are getting non anamorphic dvd output confused with anamorphic dvd output. Yes, non anamorphic DVDs are tougher to make display properly correctly on some HDTVs.....but this isnt going to be the case with these encodes, obviously

Needlessly resizing the video horizontally will lower quality. The script could easily be adjusted to remove the horizontal resizing.

If you dont want to resize it to the full area afforded by the anamorphic enhancement.....you want him to take out the resize all together and just make a separate non anamorphic for you? cmon now its call working with what you got

Chewtobacca said:

All anamorphic DVD require display at 16:9/Wide mode.  Displaying them at 1:1 is simply wrong, unless you are almost certain that the studio neglected to take nominal analogue blanking into acount when authoring the DVD, in which case the studio made an error.

To the first point, yes, per the player, NOT the TV.

The TV needs to display them at 1:1, if you are using an old player or sending 480 to the TV then YES you would need the TV to stretch the picture (wide mode).

But if you are using an upscale player, and at that one that is not super cheap (Bluray or quality DVD player), then you set the mode to regular or full or whatever it is and set it to 1:1 pixel map (on the TV), and the player itself determines the signal to send via the control menu of the player.

I dont know how you might be doing it, but perhaps youre sending the wrong signal or you just want an anamorphically enhanced pillarboxed image.....

Chewtobacca said:

That's just total nonsense.  What on Earth is an anamorphically enhanced pillarboxed image?

edited -  do you mean the eight pixels of junk on either side of the "core" 704x480 image?  If so, then yes, that is what I want, and that is how all DVDs should be authored.

The TV needs to be set to 16:9 with DVD material, whether you are upscaling or not.  Moth3r explained what the player should upscale to above.

Look up what DVDs are Anamorphic but are pillerboxed, yes they do exist
Some older James Bond movies, Transformers The Movie PAL R2....while not quite common, its done

As to your "edited" point, that "junk" on some DVDs is actual picture information on some DVDs, and it is not overscanned if your setup is configured properly. And all stuidos and companies should "alter" the standards for such is pretty laughable....and yes that is pillerboxed, not an exaggerated example, but it could be categorized as such.

And no, the TV is not at all set to 16x9 when accepting a 1920x1080 signal (already 16x9) from the player, it should be set to normal or full/1:1 pixel mapped

I dont want to clog up Djs thread anymore, all hes doing is taking gforces script and carrying it out, if you have a problem with the script (which it sounds like you do) then Id say take it up with gforce in his thread. If you care to discuss this further, you can PM me instead or create a new thread, I just dont want this clogging up his thread

Concerning subtitles:

I just got an email reply from my friend who was with me at the Star Wars screening at The Senator in Baltimore. He actually has video of the Greedo scene (he'll probably post that online soon), but he confirms that the subtitles are white, not yellow as I remembered.

Thanks, timdiggerm. A video capture of them, that's great! :)

hairy_hen said:

Now obviously I would prefer the subtitles not to be cropped by overscan, but I am prepared to accept that if need be, if complete authenticity requires it.  (It's not like I don't know what the lines are, anyway.)  I can't remember whether the current subtitles have been horizontally adjusted or not.

I tried to compromise the first time around to not have them appear outside the frame. But when I updated them to make them as close as possible to the real thing I noticed that the two most problematic lines were still inside the safe overscan area, at least on my old Sony Trinitron CRT TV. So, there shouldn't be any problem, hairy_hen. :)

I really don't want to be involved in this conversion, but for those that don't understand, the small black overscan borders (of about 9 pixels per side) are intentional and part of the ITU-R BT.601 standard.

While there is nothing wrong with making the final video non-ITU, it does provide better backward compatibility.

Proper conversion would typically be done by cropping the vertical borders and encoding at 704x480... but then again that's negligible since we're already upscaling the snot out of this.

Chewtobacca said:

Dark_jedi, are you going to alter the resizing values in G-Force's scripts to prevent horizontal resizing?  With the greatest of respect to G-Force, the values in the scripts are simply wrong, as they needlessly stretch perfectly good picture, shifting it into the overscan area.  It would be much better not to resize horizontally.

So what settings in the scripts do you recommend for the resizing? I'd like to try it out and compare the results of the two methods.

Thanks for the quick reply!

EDIT: So, you're using those same values on all three films?