Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 286

daneditor said:

I don't know if you're familiar with ROTJ Fan-o-matic (if not, check it out on youtube) but one of the many excellent ideas was to have Boba Fett given the job of telling the Rebellion about the DS2, including the lie about it not being operational, rather than these Bothans, of whom the audience knows nothing and are never heard about again. Makes sense - aside from giving the Fett something to do, it also means Fett isn't at Jabba's palace and spares us the hideousness of his death scene.

This, to me, is worse than anything in the SE or PT.

Let's take a character who in ESB has two lines of dialogue and no action scenes, and transform them from some third tier baddie into the bad-ass James Bond of the universe.

Why does Fett need 'something to do'? He's a minor antagonist (and unnamed in ESB) who just happens to have a cool costume.

Talk about shrinking the universe.

Using that reasoning, why have Lando in ESB? Couldn't that roll be Uncle Owen, who survived somehow, left Tatooine and bought a city? Why have Wedge at the end of "Star Wars"? Couldn't the other pilot be the "gonk gonk" droid from earlier in the film? The audience already knows him, and he looks cooler than Wedge.

Couldn't Ric Olie play every part?

*dreamy sigh*

I like the idea of removing Boba Fett from ROTJ COMPLETELY.

Everybody knows him  as a character from ESB anyway... plus, he seriously went out like a punk.

/\/\ That

If you can't make his role more important and vital to ROTJ(though folks like bingowings deserve credit for their ideas), then he should be edited out of ROTJ completely.

Keep him an enigma.

I've been saying exactly that for years.

Fett has no place in ROTJ.

The cat analogy is a good example!

I would like to see a pack of ewoks tear an Imperial stormtrooper to pieces like a pack of pirhanas. Use their numbers, size, teeth and claws to their advantage in a feral frenzy. Not so cuddly any more. More blood and gore!

Or maybe, if everyone wants Fett out of ROTJ so badly, Slave I could be seen departing in the distance as the droids approach Jabba's Palace?  A simple fix?

Why?  If you don't have him in the movie, why do you need to show him leaving?

There is a large body of people who would still want Fett in ROTJ which is why I suggested the idea.

If you have to have fan service at least have fan service which makes sense.

In ESB he was a bounty hunter who was paid twice for tracking the same guy, Solo.

In this idea he's a bounty hunter paid twice for the tracking the same guy (in this case Palpatine).

He get's his info from Vader, Fett has no cause other than making money for himself so why would he bother if the Rebels get Palpatine or if Vader get's the Rebels?

It makes sense, it doesn't have to be there but Fett doesn't really have to exist at all.

In ANH Vader proved himself capable of tracking the Princess without help, Fett just provides a bit of added colour.

I just realized that there's really no blood in Star Wars.  I guess you could add blood to the Ewok battle in ROTJ, but I haven't seen blood in any of the other films. 

Of course that doesn't mean that we shouldn't add blood.  :)

I dont like the idea of bloody stumps and squirting blood for the Endor battle.

But I do like the idea of ewok ferociousness. Basically like going from Teddy Bear to pissed off Grizzly Bear.

There was a bloody hand on the cantina floor (not to mention various other severed limbs, a few off screen decapitations and a number of charred and half charred bodies).

A little bit of Ewok gore wouldn't hurt, these guys were going to eat our heroes:

True about the bloody cantina stump. But eating our heroes was implicit not explicit. Maybe some flaming ewoks?

LOL@bingo: I love that the pic you put up has the trooper helmet.

Anakin as burning limbless torso guys was pretty explicit.

Yes, so flaming toasted ewoks. Especially with all the pyro blasts going off around the stunt ewoks in the battle.

I have a question: why do the imperials care so much about endor? why would they care about the primitives ?

This reminds me of Avatar: the humans had a reason to deforest Pandora and attempt to assimilate the Navi.

So, why do the imperials care? Why would there be a war?

The Imperials would probably not give the natives a second thought, unless they were already trying to kick the weird skull monsters from the metal moon out of their forest.

Besides Stormtroopers are so moreish.

A fire fight in a forest should have some consequences :

shanerjedi said:

I have a question: why do the imperials care so much about endor? why would they care about the primitives ?

They care about Endor because it's where the shield generator is located.  Who said they care about the Ewoks?

Bingowings said:

A fire fight in a forest should have some consequences

TV's Frink said:

shanerjedi said:

I have a question: why do the imperials care so much about endor? why would they care about the primitives ?

They care about Endor because it's where the shield generator is located.  Who said they care about the Ewoks?

This is going on the "there's a small war going on between the imperials and the ewoks" angle. Bingo and others brought it up as a way to suggest the ewoks are not just a bunch of docile bears that are talked into fighting but have already been fighting the imperials for some time now.

What is the motivation?

Strangely, some of this post-war carnage reminds me of the boat trip upriver searching for Kurtz in Apocalypse Now.

There has to be a really good reason beyond a landing platform and a shield generator why the Ewoks would fight the imperials.

What was the motivation of the Indians fighting the US government?

They were taking their land and relocating them or worse.

I think we have to rethink the entire motivation for why the Ewoks would be so aggressively fighting a guerilla war against the empire.

Because in the grand scheme of things a landing platform and shield generator have a small footprint on Endor.

We need something grand. Something more evil the empire is doing on Endor.

And whatever you think of the film Avatar, Cameron gave the humans a good motivation for why they're deforesting and mining Pandora. And also why the Navi are fighting back so fiercely.

It's funny that Cameron used many of the same ideas Lucas had in his earlier drafts of ROTJ. The Earth is all used up. The humans are searching for more areas to exploit and mine. They find the lush world of Pandora and begin despoiling it.

In the earlier drafts of ROTJ, Had Abbaddon was all used up. The imperials are searching for more areas to exploit and resettle people from Had Abaddon. They find the lush world of Endor and begin despoiling it.

Damn ignore function doesn't really work too well when other people quote the person you're ignoring.

Oh well, anyway, I was just throwing that out there.  I personally think Fett should stay, but somehow his actions need to be altered.  And of course it goes without saying that the reverse shot and jetpack thrust need to be addressed.

I can't imagine the Imperials being respectful of the indigenous people they find on Endor but as I said before when the Ewoks first see our heroes their first impulse is to eat them.

Leia was spared because she helped one of their own fight an Imperial which suggests they already don't like the Imperials much.

Threepio was spared because he was gold and spoke their language (he thinks).

There is enough there already to suggest that the Ewoks have no problem eating humans and don't like the Imperials.

Do we (the audience) need more of explanation as to why? We already know that these guys burn Jawas and moisture farmers and it would be hard to get a full run down from a species that don't speak the language.

All that's need is add more explicit evidence that these guys have already taken on the Imperials with some success to establish that they are tougher than they look (to add credibility to the Imperials ultimate defeat).

If the Ewoks are stealthy enough to get passed a Jedi the Imperials may have suffered quite a few losses without having a clue what happened.

The connection with Apocalypse Now should be obvious as Lucas worked on that film and saw the Ewok nee Wookiee Imperial defeat as representing the sort of arse handing the Americans got in Vietnam.

It would also explain where all those traps came from if they were planning on attacking the Imperials anyway.