kenkraly2007 said:
All I am saying is just don't rush to judgement just yet wait until the blu-rays are released.
I know. Because you've already said the same thing about 50 times.
What I guess I am trying to say is everyone is worried about what the quallity of the blu-rays are going to look like and they are assuming they are going to be tearable and they won't be hopefully. I know I repete my self a lot but I try hard not to. And I am not a lucas basher like some people. I realy don't understand the bashing of GL anyway.
I don't know, do we really have to make another list of his wrong-doings for you to understand it?
No I get the point.
My god, kenkraly2007. Please just shut up about it. It seems as soon as someone mentions anything negative you chime in, but with the same thing over and over again. It seems like you're on a mission and pop up in many threads but say nothing new. I'm fed up with every time i come in to read new posts all i seem to read is you saying we're all going to be wrong about the blu-rays. I keep getting a feeling of deja vue
My god, kenkraly2007. Please just shut up about it. It seems as soon as someone mentions anything negative you chime in, but with the same thing over and over again. It seems like you're on a mission and pop up in many threads but say nothing new. I'm fed up with every time i come in to read new posts all i seem to read is you saying we're all going to be wrong about the blu-rays. I keep getting a feeling of deja vue
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I don't mean to get you all mad.
kenkraly2007 said:
I don't mean to get you all mad.
heres some advice from MY experience: quit while your ahead, if you keep combatting/responding again and again you will dig yourself into a hole and be branded a troll.
i do/did not mean to offend you in any way
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
kenkraly2007 said:
I realy don't understand the bashing of GL anyway.
Maybe that I have had a DVD Player since 1998, and I still can't watch my three favorite movies of all-time in good DVD quality!
Maybe because I have a Bluray player and those same movie versions will not be in the new boxset.
Plus the fact that T2, ET, Lord of the Rings, Aliens, Bladerunner, Close Encounters all have both versions on DVD and BluRay.
Understand now why people bash him?
Yes I understand. But it won't stop me from buying the films on blu-ray.
kenkraly2007 said:
...everyone is worried about what the quallity of the blu-rays are going to look like and they are assuming they are going to be tearable...
Hmm, that sounds about right.
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Or at least crackable.
Oh, that would be an awful waste... of coasters :-D
ChainsawAsh said:
I object to the use of this picture...
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...I doubt kenkraly2007 is done. ;-)
Enough allready that's uncalled for.
Do any Canadians remember that Pizza Pizza commercial with Bret 'The Hitman' Hart from like a decade ago? "I'm gonna CRACK THE CARDBOARD!" What the hell was that about? But suddenly I am reminded of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE5XBtEuQhU
Crack the Cardboard - Bret Hart
oh yeah the hit man sent me.
Nice, very nice. They have edited it slightly. His original entry had him ordering extremely angry for no reason. "Gimme an EXTRA LARGE PIZZA. With mushroom, and pepperoni. BITCH!"
A nice "bitch" on the end of a sentence makes anything better.
It rolls off the tongue.
VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.
“George didn’t think there was any future in dead Han toys.”-Harrison Ford
YT channel:
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...bitch.
I am asking myself what is Lucas actually thinking with digital scans of his films? As far I understand - Episodes 2 and 3 are stuck on 1080p (is 1080p similar to 2K?) so there is nothing he can do. Episode 1 was shoot on 35 mm tape and theoretical the best possible scan can be 4K, but all FX was done on 2K, so it's impossible to achieve anything more than 2K scan?
As for the OT - 1997 SE is only 2K right? And 2004 SE only 1080p?
So why such very important films are preserved at such low resolution? I am saying low, because now we have 1080p at home, but what will be when we get 4K? And when theathers will show films in 8K? There will be no possibility to enjoy Star Wars in such beautiful quality... I don' understand Lucas - I know he don't want the original trilogy to be preserved, but why his loved SE is stuck at 1080p? Is it still possibly to do 4K scans of the OT? I mean both the SE and original from 77-83.
And why were Episode 2 and 3 shot only in 1080p?
Someone said that for BD release Lucas will use scans from 2004 - what is bad about them for BD release? - I know the colors are bad, but what is about quality? I though those scans will be enough for BD, but only for BD... I heard the Episode 2 and 3 on DVD where already captured from digital source, so it's does not matter if the BD Episodes 2 and 3 will be from the same master as DVD. And as for Episode 1, Adywan said there is already new master used for future releases so there is hope it will no suck.
As for 8K scans - whats the point of scanning the 35 mm prints into 8K? I though the best possible resolution of 35 mm film is the 4K scan?
I am noob in this area, so thats why I am asking.
Kenkraly about this site:
Those trolls at originaltrilogy.com are mean and disrespectfull.
Jacobss said:
I am asking myself what is Lucas actually thinking with digital scans of his films? As far I understand - Episodes 2 and 3 are stuck on 1080p (is 1080p similar to 2K?) so there is nothing he can do. Episode 1 was shoot on 35 mm tape and theoretical the best possible scan can be 4K, but all FX was done on 2K, so it's impossible to achieve anything more than 2K scan?
As for the OT - 1997 SE is only 2K right? And 2004 SE only 1080p?
Yes. As far as I know this is the resolution of the releases:
-1997 SE: 35mm originals with 2K digital enhancement scans. So only the new CG stuff is at 2K, with the rest being unscanned 35mm originals.
-TPM: 2K. The film was shot on 35mm film, but every shot was scanned. As far as I know, the digital intermediate that resulted was 2K.
-AOTC and ROTS: 1080p. Which is 1920x1080. But because this was cropped for widewscreen it is in reality less, about 1920x800.
-2004 SE: 1080p or 1920x1080. So just under 2K.
So why such very important films are preserved at such low resolution? I am saying low, because now we have 1080p at home, but what will be when we get 4K? And when theathers will show films in 8K? There will be no possibility to enjoy Star Wars in such beautiful quality... I don' understand Lucas - I know he don't want the original trilogy to be preserved, but why his loved SE is stuck at 1080p? Is it still possibly to do 4K scans of the OT? I mean both the SE and original from 77-83.
It is unlikely that theatres will ever show stuff in 8K, but 4K projection would be nice. And yes, because the OT is 35mm you could scan it in 4K, even 8K if you wanted to but there wouldn't be much point to that. The 1997 could be re-scanned in 4K, but the new shots would be 2K-only because thats the resolution they were created in.
And why were Episode 2 and 3 shot only in 1080p?
Because Lucas adopted HD technology so early this was the highest resolution possible at the time.
Someone said that for BD release Lucas will use scans from 2004 - what is bad about them for BD release? - I know the colors are bad, but what is about quality? I though those scans will be enough for BD, but only for BD... I heard the Episode 2 and 3 on DVD where already captured from digital source, so it's does not matter if the BD Episodes 2 and 3 will be from the same master as DVD. And as for Episode 1, Adywan said there is already new master used for future releases so there is hope it will no suck.
As for 8K scans - whats the point of scanning the 35 mm prints into 8K? I though the best possible resolution of 35 mm film is the 4K scan?
I am noob in this area, so thats why I am asking.
Basically you are right, 35mm film typically does not resolve more than 4K resolution, 8K scanning is for 65mm and such, but the thinking is "why not just do it anyway, just to be a completist?"
After having performed tests ,James Cameron believes that 1080* 1920p is better than a 35mm(IP):
James Cameron
"The amount of data available from a 35mm negative is much less than the amount of data available from an HD frame."
The Hollywood Reporter:
"Film purists argue the opposite. "
James Cameron:
" They're wrong. You can take an HD image and blow it up by double before you start to see the same amount of granularity you have with a 35mm negative. George Lucas did some tests that I flew up to see, and it corresponded to what we'd found. I'd say the Sony HD 900 series cameras are generating an image that's about equivalent to a 65mm original negative".
http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/discus/messages/5672/28537.html?1026494882
I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=SkAZxd-5Hp8
Lucasfilm technical director Mike Blanchard says, "Almost all of the resolution that’s lost is through the printing process. It’s really funny about technology and the film business right now. People get caught up in these numbers games that are flat-out ridiculous. They say, ‘Film is 4k,’ but it’s not 4k. It’s 4k on the camera negative, but no one has ever seen a camera negative projected. Countless studies have shown that what is shown in U.S. theaters [via the interpositive/internegative photochemical printing process] is between 700 and 800 lines of resolution when you get to the release print. We get that easily.
http://mixonline.com/sound4picture/film_tv/audio_star_wars_episode_2/
I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=SkAZxd-5Hp8
Well, sure, that is true, I just saw a 35mm print in a cinema and the clarity and amount of detail wasn't higher than a 720p video. But that is the whole point! Higher quality is achievable through 4K digital scanning of the negative and 4K digital projection, which will eventually become cinema standard. And with the current state of preservation, STAR WARS won't be able to live up to that standard.
