Hang on a sec, isn't JediTray talking about RTJ rather than BE? Why are we talking about the Miami version?
TV's Frink said:
DL NTSC (RS)If I remember correctly, "complete" means the extras are included on that Miami version.
Somebody must have added them in then, as the original was definitely without extras. The DL NTSC is news to me. It seems someone must have already converted the Miami to NTSC. As far I remember, the original NTSC was a single-layer only, though I might be wrong about that.
TV's Frink said:
Hang on a sec, isn't JediTray talking about RTJ rather than BE? Why are we talking about the Miami version?
Is he, Frink? Going back to post 1237, the discussion seems to be about BE.
I am confused!
edited - No; you are right. In post 1244, he says BE does not suffer from this, so he must mean RTJ. My mistake!
Chewtobacca said:
TV's Frink said:
DL NTSC (RS)If I remember correctly, "complete" means the extras are included on that Miami version.
Somebody must have added them in then, as the original was definitely without extras. The DL NTSC is news to me. It seems someone must have already converted the Miami to NTSC. As far I remember, the original NTSC was a single-layer only, though I might be wrong about that.
That's correct, the extras were added earlier this year by faneditforum.com member zeppelinrox.
I sort of thought the NTSC of BE was SL also. Maybe it's a typo? If I remember I'll check my copy later.
Chewtobacca said:
TV's Frink said:
Hang on a sec, isn't JediTray talking about RTJ rather than BE? Why are we talking about the Miami version?
Is he, Frink? Going back to post 1237, the discussion seems to be about BE.
I am confused!
JediTray was talking about RTJ...
JediTray said:
I got my NTSC from fanedit, and the playback is too fast. That tells me there was never a proper authoring of an NTSC, but rather a PAL conversion was done. That's a shame. I looked at Building Empire again and it doesn't seem to suffer from this, so I was just hoping it could be rectified.
EDIT: I see you just figured this out too. LOL.
Sorry, Frink! I cannot edit as fast as you post. Lol!
edit (again) - see what I mean!
So the upshot is that the IFO hack that Moth3r mentioned cannot explain why JediTray is having problems, unless the same was done on RTJ.
Now I'm confised - this is the RtJ thread, JediTray was talking about RtJ, and I was talking about about RtJ.
So why in Post 1250 does Frink list the versions of BE on fanedit.info?
You know, the fan project wiki would be a great place to list all the version information, much easier than having to trawl the thread to find the details.
To answer JediTray's original question - if you want a disc without PAL speedup you have to look for the dual layer NTSC conversion of the original (pre-Miami) version.
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Moth3r said:
So why in Post 1250 does Frink list the versions of BE on fanedit.info?
Because Frink messed up - he didn't know there was a Miami version of RTJ.
Neither did I! JediTray seemed to suggest that he had a problem with the PAL-to-NTSC conversion of RTJ though.
So did Erikstormtrooper in post 1234. Darth Mallwalker identified (post 1235) that this version (from Demonoid) was a crappy IFO-hack-job. I don't know if the download on fanedit.info is the same hack or not.
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Again, I'll check my version of RTJ when I have the chance. I know I got it off of FE.org (which should be the same that is now on .info) and I'm reasonably sure it is NTSC with no speedup.
caligulathegod said:The actual authoring is the same (Boon23 helped me out here). The feature, however on the dual layer is less compressed than the single layer (two and a half hour film plus all the DVDRom stuff was pretty compressed). Other than the PAL to NTSC resizing, it is the same bitrate as the original PAL. Also, the dual layer version was actually slowed down from 25fps to 23.976 so the audio doesn't sound sped up. The single layer version was converted using the method that keeps the original sound. I then pitch corrected the individual commentaries that were actually already at the correct speed but now slowed down. I also denoised and depopped the soundtrack manually.
I think the issue is clarified (slightly) here. JediTray was sort of right that proper NTSC authoring was not done. (Sorry for my earlier post, JediTray!) I have never heard of "the other method" that keeps the audio the same. I have only performed proper PAL-to-NTSC conversions that slow down and re-encode the audio. I cannot see why anyone would do this any other way, as the other way is not a proper PAL conversion, but there you go.
If JediTray really did obtain his copy from fanedit.info, it seems to be that the single layer one caligulathegod mentioned was uploaded there. The "3 RS NTSC" entry there points to a link called jambedavdar_returningtojedi_NTSC_SL_DVD.rar, and I cannot see a dual-layer entry there.
Wow, I step away for a minute and.... :)
Thanks everyone for helping to validate the problem. I did indeed get RtJ from fanedit.org, and it is the SL NTSC 4.13GB version.
If there is one out there that is fixed or proper, someone please let me know!
Hey Jambe, is there going to be an update now that the long lost lightsaber building scene has surfaced? :)
I haven't been here for a while and just checked it out on a lark. To clarify some questions as far as I know.
I converted BE from PAL 25 fps to NTSC 23.978 fps with slowed down audio and completely recreated the menu structure/authoring from scratch to replicate the PAL original. The extras were all converted with the speedup intact.
Boon converted RTJ single layer using the original soundtrack and speedup. I converted the PAL to NTSC with slowed down audio on a dual layer. I used Boon's authoring for the menus and just inserted my feature conversion.
I got half way through the sound post-correction on the Miami cut and just got sick of listening to it for the 100th time, so I stepped away and honestly forgot about it. I'll have to check if I still have it and see it wasn't on the hard drive I lost.
I never got a copy of the Miami BE PAL.
So, is this being looked into for a possible fix?
caligulathegod said: I never got a copy of the Miami BE PAL.
That is on fanedit.info and apprarently with the extras added, if you want it. If you upload the Miami ROTJ PAL we might look into converting that to NTSC.
What do you mean by the sound post-correction? All I have ever done with a true PAL to NTSC conversion is run the audio through a program such as eac3to. I suppose it might be more complicated if many audio sources have been used, but if they were all PAL or at least converted to the right speed for PAL properly, I do not see why it should not be as simple as running the completed PAL audio through a program such as eac3to. Perhaps I am missing something.
I did burn one for you, but haven't sent it.caligulathegod said:
I never got a copy of the Miami BE PAL.
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r
Chewtobacca said:
caligulathegod said: I never got a copy of the Miami BE PAL.
That is on fanedit.info and apprarently with the extras added, if you want it. If you upload the Miami ROTJ PAL we might look into converting that to NTSC.
What do you mean by the sound post-correction? All I have ever done with a true PAL to NTSC conversion is run the audio through a program such as eac3to. I suppose it might be more complicated if many audio sources have been used, but if they were all PAL or at least converted to the right speed for PAL properly, I do not see why it should not be as simple as running the completed PAL audio through a program such as eac3to. Perhaps I am missing something.
Because Jambe used PAL sources for the film itself with the PAL speedup but used proper speed sources for much of the commentaries they sound unnatural, so I re-pitched those bits manually. Since I was working with spectral analysis, I was also able to spot pops and other errors and fix those, too. Needless to say, it's very tedious work. I'm searching my hard drives to see if I still have the files.
caligulathegod said: Since I was working with spectral analysis, I was also able to spot pops and other errors and fix those, too. Needless to say, it's very tedious work.
It sounds it! Thank you for explaining. Spectral analysis, eh? Sounds like something out of Star Trek! :D
Mmmmkay....
You've...
...never heard of Star Trek?
Of course I have and I'm a fan. I didn't see an answer in the technobabble.
JediTray said: I didn't see an answer in the technobabble.
The answer to your question is that caligulathegod is looking though his files to see if he still has them, but even if he does it will probably be a while before a fix becomes available. :-)
JediTray said:
Of course I have and I'm a fan. I didn't see an answer in the technobabble.
Sorry, I thought you were responding to Chewtobacca.