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THE STAR WARS SAGA - 1080P AVCHD DVD-9 for PS3 & Blu-Ray players - Episodes 1, 4 & 5 available now — Page 57

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Chewtobacca said:

That seems a little strange to me, as unless your Blu-ray player can play mkv files, you will probably have to transcode the MKV to make it Blu-ray compliant, resulting in a small quality loss.

 Really?  I thought the quality would be equal, or at least negligibly lower.  Hmmmm....

I think I'll just settle for what I already have.  If I knew what I was doing, I'd paint out those white lines and add a couple seconds of black screen to the beginning myself.  :)

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JediTray said: Really?  I thought the quality would be equal, or at least negligibly lower.  Hmmmm....

If you transcode, you will always lose some quality.  As I said, the loss will probably be small, but as you have a media player and do not need incur any loss, or use up time and a disc, I wonder why you would bother, but it is up to you. :-)

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You could even just split the file in two real easy in MKV Merge to put it on two DVD9s if your Blu-Ray player supported MKV.

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I've read somewhere, that there is no digital HD master for Phantom Menace (as it is the only one of the prequels which wasn't shot digitally and when they made the DVD master, they made it only SD - 1024x576 I'd guess) so that the HD broadcast was sourced from an upscaled DVD master. Can someone confirm/falsify that information? It does look a little bit like that, when you look at it.

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JediTray said:

Wow, you intentionally look at TPM?

Lol!  The HD broadcast of TPM does look the worst.  When the prequels hit Blu-ray it should look the best, as it was filmed on real film not HD cameras.

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TMP is my favorite (or the least hated) of the prequels, it used to be Ep3 but having watched the PT recently (with my friend who's never seen any SW film, so I showed her the OT and she wanted to see the PT too) I realized that Ep3 is totally riddiculous in it's attepts to be deadly serious, so although it is really bad compared to the OT, Ep1 has a kind of lighthearted playfulness about it and watching it bears a kind of a childhood nostalgia for me, so it is much less painfull than the other two :-)

 

So, does anyone know what is actually the source of the Ep1 HDTV broadcast? I want to know because Ep1 is the only one I have just in 720p, so if it is sourced from an SD master, it's not really worth getting in 1080p.

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Harmy said:  Ep1 is the only one I have just in 720p, so if it is sourced from an SD master, it's not really worth getting in 1080p.

In my opinion, the AVCHD is worth downloading for Adywan's color correction alone, the master notwithstanding.

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Harmy said:

TMP is my favorite

The Menacing Phantom?

My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.

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Harmy said:

TMP is my favorite

 I can almost understand someone saying that ROTS is okay, but wow, TPM.... That's a new one.  Whatever blows up your skirt I suppose.

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JediTray said:

Harmy said:

TMP is my favorite

 I can almost understand someone saying that ROTS is okay, but wow, TPM.... That's a new one.  Whatever blows up your skirt I suppose.

You cut off the rest of his quote...

Harmy said:

TMP is my favorite (or the least hated) of the prequels, it used to be Ep3 but having watched the PT recently (with my friend who's never seen any SW film, so I showed her the OT and she wanted to see the PT too) I realized that Ep3 is totally riddiculous in it's attepts to be deadly serious, so although it is really bad compared to the OT, Ep1 has a kind of lighthearted playfulness about it and watching it bears a kind of a childhood nostalgia for me, so it is much less painfull than the other two :-)

For the record, I've heard many other people express these thoughts, and I agree with them.  TPM feels the most "Star Warsy" to me, especially in a good fanedited form.

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That's exactly it: more "Star Warsy." And as you mentioned the fanedits, that's one of the reasons I want to know about the master for TPM HDTV broadcast, as far as I know, there is no HD fanedit of TPM, so I was playing with the idea of stealing some ideas (and soundtracks as I know jackshit about sound-editing) from the SD edits out there and making an HD one, but if the HD version we have is just an upscale of DVD, that would be good for nothing, really. I can't even compare the two as I don't have Ep1 on DVD (only on VHS) so I'd really appreciate some info.

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Thanks for the information Ady, it sounded a little far fetched to me, but then, it wouldn't be the first time Lucasfilm gave us a fuckup like that and they had to scan the film just for the broadcast. Or maybe they did an HD transfer for the DVD already, only the quality wasn't all that great and perhaps in a lower resolution than 1080p but higher then SD? Does it look like it is the same transfer when compared to the DVD (the same color problems, the same framing etc.)?

Also, Ady, could you please check your ESB reconstruction thread, I posted a question for you there, thanks :-)

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Harmy said:

And as you mentioned the fanedits, that's one of the reasons I want to know about the master for TPM HDTV broadcast, as far as I know, there is no HD fanedit of TPM, so I was playing with the idea of stealing some ideas (and soundtracks as I know jackshit about sound-editing) from the SD edits out there and making an HD one, but if the HD version we have is just an upscale of DVD, that would be good for nothing, really.

Just a quick sidenote, L8wrtr (who will be posting info on his edit soon) looked into doing an HD edit of TPM, but decided he didn't like the drop off in quality from the HD to the SD deleted scenes.

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Like I said, to each his own.  Afterall, this place is called OriginalTrilogy.com, lol.  :)

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Grrrr, it gives me goosebumps the way JediTray turns me into a PT lover in his posts :-D I am not and I have never been (well, exept when I was like twelve or something.) I don't even own Ep1 and 2 on anything else than VHS and Ep3 on DVD and only because I bought them real cheap in a video-rental sellout, while I own the OT... well, just take a look at this: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Little-Men-Little-Wars-Share-Your-Star-Wars-Collection/post/411013/#TopicPost411013

Anyway, back on topic guys :-D

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It appears that the "rapidoor" character, whoever he is, has launched into an attack of Ady's AVCHD release on the newsgroup.

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/71838

adywan's AVCHD vs. Original Premiere cap source

Whether you like the color change or not this is an absolutely pathetic
encode full of insane artifacting. I didn't know it was possible to fail this
badly. And it actually looks *worse* in motion. The pulsing is beyond belief.

Also note in the first shot how the color from Tarkin's yellow insignia and
Vader's green light almost completely disappear. This just goes to show that
you can't do color "correction" after the fact without losing something along
the way.

I'm all in favour of constructive criticism, but the "pathetic" and "epic FAIL" comments just make this guy out to be a real tool.

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Agreed.  Nothing can come of statements like that and it's just hateful.

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I agree that it's wrong to criticize this way, although I must agree that it isn't exactly a stelar encode, but that didn't stop me from using it as a source for my PARTLY DESPECIALIZED EDITION because the minor loss of picture quality is more than made up for by the IMO beautiful colour correction.

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I do not see what anyone gains from attacking someone's work like this.  Most people will never notice these problems in motion, regardless of what this person claims.  It is always hard to work from problematic source material, and Adywan himself freely admits that the color correction leaves artifacts.  The result is certainly not perfect, but it much better than the original overall, and if people think they can do better, nothing is stopping them from trying. 

I do think the AVCHD of ESB is better than ANH though, and the MKV is very good.  I love watching it.  A DVD-9 is usually too small for 1080p to look really good, and while the difference between the AVCHD and the MKV is not great, it is definitely there.

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I'm just going to ignore him and his "elite" crew from now on.  Of course there are going to be artefacting issues using such a low bitrate. Funny thing though, in a few of the tantive 4 corridor shots the source shots he posted actually have a bit more artefacts than mine.  I notice how he only bothered posting screenshots of ANH though, which i freely admitted had pulsing and artefact issues,which was a lot to do with the colour correction but also something was screwed on the colour corrected master and that is why i never released a 14gb mkv of that one.

I'd suffer the artefacts any day over a bloated BD-50 version with the horrible colouring of the 2004 transfer. I guess he'll have even more to say when i release the 720p version of ESB:R, but i really couldn't care less.

I noticed he had to post some comparison pics to usenet entitled "adywan epic fail". God and he calls me childish.

But i found this quite interesting on another site.:

Rapidoor posts all follow the same convention, and while password-protected, use the same password. Currently, alt.binz is able to verify the files but is unable to unrar them because the filenames do not match. However, QuickPAR and MultiPAR both have the functionality to rename the files; thus, I assume the necessary information to rename the files is included in the small PAR2 file.

In addition, if you have alt.binz set to delete PAR2 files upon successful verification, you must re-download the PAR2 in order to extract the archive, since alt.binz leaves the files misnamed, and without the PAR2 to repair them. At the very least, could you provide an option to delete PAR2s only after the archives have been extracted?

Rapidoor posts follow this pattern-

rapidoor HD home videos -password-.XXXXXXXX

The password is always: "password [tab]"

ANH:REVISITED
ESB:REVISITED

DONATIONS TOWARDS MATERIALS FOR THE REVISITED SAGA

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I see that many of the problems that made me almost leave the community are still here.  Ady, your work is fantastic and never forget how much it is loved by the majority.  All of our work has room for improvement but there are ways of being critical in a constructive and polite manner.  

We really do appreciate all your hard work. Thanks again. 

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