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DF Shadow said:

"That's why I'm here... ^^"

 

LoL, not sure if you intended it but I just pictured young Obi-Wan saying that line.

Trust your feelings. ^^

The Incom T-47 speeder were highly adaptable to whatever environment they were used in although some environments where harder to adapt than others (snow ^^). The name often takes on the main characteristic name of what ever environment they are in, snowspeeder, sandspeeder, swampspeeder. skyspeeder... etc... Armament include two repeating laser canons and an added magnetic harpoon/tow cable launcher for the modified T-47s used on Hoth. They had no shields but their armor was quite good to take several hits before damage became too severe. Most of the Rebel T-47s used on Hoth were abandoned during the evacuation.

Gentlemen, let's not turn this into some sort of nerd competition!

Kidding. Continue. ;)

Ripplin said:

Gentlemen, let's not turn this into some sort of nerd competition!

Kidding. Continue. ;)

There's competition? ;)

Bingowings said:

At least the Snowspeeder designation is EU and not on screen.

Well said. ;)

Aww....aint she a beaut!

Darth Solo said:

xhonzi said:

Fine, have the co-pilot lean out the cockpit and throw a grenade at it.  I mean, Luke had one on his belt, right?  (The same belt he wore in the bacta tank?)

Or just add a bomb to the air speeders. 

That would look kinda pooey, then insult my visual understanding of the scene..

 Yes, it would look terrible.  That's why I was joking when I said it.

Rogue Leader said:

Incom T-47 speeders are not equiped with bombs. Thus I suggested the Rebel ground troops running towards the crash with a portable concussion missle launcher with a combined attacked from the snowspeeders.

Yeah, I'm afraid I don't really care what the minutia of the EU has to say about everything.  The fact is that the movie, as filmed, shows snowspeeders using blasters to blow up armor that's "too strong for blasters."  So, yes, you could shoot a completely new scene with ground troops running toward the thing with missile launchers (which probably are also new to the contintuity of the scene) or you could add a bomb or two to the snowspeeders and mostly keep the scene as is.  As you said, the rebels modified the snowspeeders for use on Hoth... who's to say that they didn't add some heavier ordinance to them while they were at it.  If Luke can carry an AT-AT destroying grenade on his belt, surely the light speeders can carry a couple bombs/missiles/grenades capable of the same feat.

Apparently Ady doesn't plan to do anything with the scene, but wouldn't a simple change to the ordinance fired by the snowspeeders be a lot more in line with the subtle changes than filming an entirely new scene?

adywan said:

After looking at the scene again there is no possible way that the troops could have got out of the Walker in time. Not only would there be injures and others would be disorientated, but there is just no time between the Walker crashing and the speeders blowing it up for anything like this to happen.

Well yes.. you can always extend the shot slightly like you did with the bespin gantry. You can even add that camera projection technique or adding more elements that showing the scale. Since the backgrounds is a mess( as you already know) some alterations can be done here and there. The only matter is the music. Falling troopers or some small lasers from the walker or from inside/open hatches by snowtroopers can stand up.I think monroville said something similar(?)

-Angel

xhonzi said:

Rogue Leader said:

Incom T-47 speeders are not equiped with bombs. Thus I suggested the Rebel ground troops running towards the crash with a portable concussion missle launcher with a combined attacked from the snowspeeders.

Yeah, I'm afraid I don't really care what the minutia of the EU has to say about everything.  The fact is that the movie, as filmed, shows snowspeeders using blasters to blow up armor that's "too strong for blasters."  So, yes, you could shoot a completely new scene with ground troops running toward the thing with missile launchers (which probably are also new to the contintuity of the scene) or you could add a bomb or two to the snowspeeders and mostly keep the scene as is.  As you said, the rebels modified the snowspeeders for use on Hoth... who's to say that they didn't add some heavier ordinance to them while they were at it.  If Luke can carry an AT-AT destroying grenade on his belt, surely the light speeders can carry a couple bombs/missiles/grenades capable of the same feat.

Apparently Ady doesn't plan to do anything with the scene, but wouldn't a simple change to the ordinance fired by the snowspeeders be a lot more in line with the subtle changes than filming an entirely new scene?

If that's the case why not have some X-wings diverted from escort duty of the medium transports to slag the walkers with a couple of proton torps. They have launchers and carry a pay load of 6 total... Or why not just reorient the angle of the KDY 150-v planet defender class ion canon  to fire at the AT-ATs, if it can take a ISD then walkers should be nothing... Oooo wait, why don't we actually have the Rebel win the battle of Hoth! XD

There's changes for the sake of improvement and then there are changes for nothing more than flash. You may not care about the EU and that's fine but there are many holes we can all poke in this battle and not everything needs to be explained... Like Ady said, maybe when the walker tripped the neck portion breached or cracked and the rebel pilots aimed for that weakness. Simple as that... 

In the radio drama is there anything Luke says that indicates the neck becoming a weakness after the walker drops? If so then all that's needed is to add the audio, or some other pilot saying something like "Target the neck breach" the cutting to Wedge "whoaaaa!!!!! That got him!"

You might will want to edit your post to say people can PM you for the link, fred...

I spoke with an ol war buddy who served in an AT-AT during another battle (sorry, for his security i cant say which battle) this was basically his response: 

During that period in time and space, Imperial forces were going thru cost cutting measures after the loss of the first Death Star.  There was the huge debt that had been incurred during its actual construction and then payments to all the broken family's that resulted from such a massive loss of (brave) life who were aboard the space station at the time of its demise.

One way Imperial Commanders could save cost's deploying AT-AT's was to have them built without armor protection to the top of the vehicle.

It was determined that Rebel craft were not capable of dive-bombing, it was safe from attack in this area and it was therefore an unecessary expenditure to have armor there.

case closed, move along!

Bingowings said:

That kind of doesn't make sense either.

How do they know that the neck is a weak point?

Until they shot at the things they have no idea that "that armour's too strong for blasters".

If they did know the neck was a weak point don't you think Luke would say, "Aim for the neck!"?

I'm sure the Empire wouldn't make it easy, but spinning a metal web, at speed around the legs of a mechanical dinosaur in motion belching laser bolts can't be easy either.

Almost every zombie film has someone telling the cast to aim for the head.

Every Doctor Who fan knows to aim for the eye stalk.

Every team of Ghostbusters has an "aim for the flat-top" guy.

Maybe the ground troops have been issued with a copy of Incredible Cross-Sections but the audience hasn't (the pilots certainly have not).

This is why I suggested cutting the explosion scene completely. It just doesn't add up. And all of the explanations take waay to much thought for such a quick scene. Having the walker fall over and then cutting to the rebel troops charging the battlefield is, in my opinion, the best option.